From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #23 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/23 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 23 Today's Topics: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton [B7L] Admin goes west [B7L] Re: Jarvick Re: [B7L] Orac in Ep 52 Re: [B7L] OK to send e-mail? Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton [B7L] Pages update [B7L] my new webpage RE: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton RE: [B7L] New on list with some questions. RE: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton Re: [B7L] Zine list: Multimedia gen Re: [B7L] OK to send e-mail? Re: [B7L] Orac in Ep 52 [B7L] long reads Re: [B7L] Fem politics again Re: [B7L] RE: Doesn't like 'Harvest of Kairos'? Re: [B7L] New on list with some questions. [B7L] Corgi Liberator [B7L] Silmarillion (was Steven Donaldson) Re: [B7L] New Here with a question. Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton Re: [B7L] New Here with a question. [B7L] New Highlander Zine(s) & more [B7L] Howdy..Another Houston TX Blake fan here [B7L] Zine list additions ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:59:43 -0800 From: "Adam L. Fuller" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980123215939.00699d3c@POPD.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, I'm new to the digest. Actually, I subscribed for a while a year ago, canceled it, but now I'm back. Anyway, I was also very surprised to hear that Paul Darrow didn't like "Harvest of Kairos." I found this to be one of the very best episodes. Yes, the space module looked cheesy and the creature looked like an oversized vaccum cleaner, but still I found this episode to have one of the best storylines (i.e. the rock) and also I really like the Jarvik character. I'll tell you what the problem with Jarvik is, though - he's too good. He's the only one from Federation who is a match for Avon and Tarrant. The only reason he failed was because of Servalan's stupid order and the Fed. officer's bumbling mistake of killing the wrong person. If Jarvik were chasing down Blake instead of Travis, he would succeed on the first attempt. That's why they had to kill him off - he's too good. But I still want to comment on Paul Darrow's dislike for this episode. The only thing I see bad about this episode is the acting. Yes, just about all the fight scenes are horrible and all the scenes involving combat are terrible. It all looked very bumpy and fixed. Of course, it usually is on Blake's 7 - primarily because these actors are trained for the stage, not for the film, however I found it to be especially bad in "Harvest of Kairos." Since I am a newcomer, I thought I'd list my favorite episodes: Space Fall, Project Avalon, Pressure Point, Trial, Killer, Hostage, Countdown, Aftermath, Powerplay, Harvest of Kairos, Death Watch, Terminal, Rescue, Headhunter, Orbit, Warlord, Blake And now, here are the ones I disliked the most: The Web, Horizon, Voice From the Past, Sarcophagus (with all due respect to Tanith Lee), Power, Stardrive, Animals, Sand (again, with all due respect to Tanith Lee). By the way, it was also discussed in the Paul Darrow interview that the average age of a Blake's 7 fan is around 23 to 30. I am twenty myself, but I became interested in the series first when my grandfather watched it on public television. It gave us something to talk about until he died. So, the series has sort of a sentimental value to me. I also want to comment on Paul Darrow's idea that Avon parallels Bill Clinton. He's got to be kidding! If not, I suspect that Mr. Darrow doesn't understand our president very well. I don't see the connection. On the surface of it, it looks like they are motivated by similar interests, but they actually have extremely different interests. -Adam L. Fuller ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 1998 07:20:33 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Admin goes west Message-ID: I'll be in San Antonio for the coming week. If the list breaks during that time you'll just have to live with it (or ask root@lysator to shut it down, should things be *really* bad). -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se Try again. Try harder. -*- Fail again. Fail better. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:20:29 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Jarvick Message-ID: <19980123.221752.2847.3.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Ovina said... Moreover, I would just like to say, for the record, that I was glad they shot Jarvik and put him out of the audience's misery. I suspect the boys (and girls) down on the construction crews set up quite a few cold ones when they found out. This was the kind of man that should never have been allowed to stray outside the confines of a bodice-ripping romance novel. What an insufferable oinker! .... Here, here! I second the nomination. As I said before, Jarvick wouldn't have lasted five minutes on the Liberator. Avon would have shot him and Dayna would have laughed....or perhaps, it would be the other way around. Penny _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:37:59 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Orac in Ep 52 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Thu 22 Jan, John Werry wrote: > Apart from some concerns about the "science" in the series (eg when if ever > was anyone weightless? How could this be?), Raiker's body was weightless when he came out of the transfer tube and the tube had a strip along the bottom that I took to be either magnetic or else a gravity strip of some kind. There was a suggestion of lower than normal gravity in 'Voice From the Past' - if memory serves, Blake then passed through an airlock in to a region of artifical gravity. When you've a tight budget and ten days to do an episode, artifical gravity isn't a luxery, it's a necessity. the thread about ORAC's > independence of thought triggered a Qn. If ORAC was so logical, why didn't > it ditch Avon and crew at an earlier opportunity for the Federation (Which > logically must have got there in the end ... esp after Series 3). Orac > appeared to show loyalty to Avon and Crew on a number of occasions (eg > "Switch me off" during the one about the headless robot) Why should ORAC care? Because Orac's personality was largely based on Ensor's and Ensor had gone into hiding from the Federation and was eventually killed by it. The more obvious question is why did Orac apepar to help the troopers in 'Volcano'? > > BTW ... Yes I remember the Shoot out at the end of the Ep ... but when I > first saw it - I was sure that Servelan appeared at the end. A number of > people who viewed this at the time (ie 1981/2) also recall her appearance. I > was suprised on viewing the tapes 3 years ago to find that she wasn't in the > Ep. I found this most unsatisfying. Was there any reason for this, or was it > one of the unexpected fatalisms that constantly surfaced in the series? She really wasn't there. A lot of people think she was, but Jacqueline Pearce will tell you that she wasn't. There are several reasons, but the most important one in my view is that it would have spoilt the story. Where is the tragedy and irony of Avon shooting his best friend if Servalan had somehow set it up? It would give Avon an excuse, and thus reduce the impact of it all. (It would also have required jam-packing even more into what was already a very full episode) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:17:30 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] OK to send e-mail? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Fri 23 Jan, Jeroen J. Kwast wrote: > > > > OK to send an e-mail to blakes7@lysator.liu.se? > > > > Who is this dude? > > I got a e-mail exactly like it today but with my e-mail address!! > > Is this spam the next generation? > > > Jeroen I got one of these too. I though it was somebody who'd found the webpage and wanted to know if I minded personal e-mail, so I said fine. Having now worked out that it's propably some **** trying to claim that I've granted permission to be spammed, I've just written an updated answer telling he/she/it to get stuffed. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:47:04 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton Message-ID: In message <3.0.32.19980123215939.00699d3c@POPD.ix.netcom.com>, "Adam L. Fuller" writes >I also want to comment on Paul Darrow's idea that Avon parallels Bill >Clinton. He's got to be kidding! If not, I suspect that Mr. Darrow doesn't >understand our president very well. I don't see the connection. On the >surface of it, it looks like they are motivated by similar interests, but >they actually have extremely different interests. > You will find that Mr Darrow's view of the character and the general fannish view of the character do not necessarily coincide. Much to the amusement of some of the fans. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:37:37 +0100 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: space-city@world.std.com CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Pages update Message-Id: <198330115MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Only two weeks before the planned drink up at Page's Bar in London on Saturday Feb 7. So far we have three definite yeses, including Bill from Australia who just happens to be in London that day (amazing), one strong maybe (Alison) and two weak maybes. The plan is to meet up for an evening drink, but those in London during the day can take advantage on the big sci fi fair at Central Hall in Westminster, which runs from 11 to 4. This is just round the corner from Pages, so time for a bit of food to line the stomach before the serious drinking. Let me know if there are any more takers. cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ Make your own tribble! Buy a hamster and cut off its legs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:38:05 -0000 From: "Dangermouse" To: "Judith Proctor" , "Lysator List" Subject: [B7L] my new webpage Message-Id: <199801241843.SAA23530@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an embryo webpage up (there's a rotten picture of me and Gina on it, which doesn't make either of us look good). Its at: http://pages.prodigy.com/timeschampion/mcintee.htm (have to figure out how to include that as a URL...) There's not much to say on it yet, but I'll add proper details when my new book is finished. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:23:07 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton Message-ID: <01BD2906.8D12BD00@host5-99-61-216.btinternet.com> Adam F wrote: >I became interested in the series first when my grandfather watched it on >public television. It gave us something to talk about until he died. Giggle. When I first read this, it sounded like you all huddled round and discussed how weird Grandad was for watching kiddies' sci-fi, and whether he should get some therapy for it or something, or maybe it was just a phase and he'd grow out of it. But yes, on second reading, you were talking with him about B7. Got it. >I also want to comment on Paul Darrow's idea that Avon parallels Bill >Clinton. He's got to be kidding! If not, I suspect that Mr. Darrow doesn't >understand our president very well. Or maybe PD doesn't understand Avon very well, as many say. > I don't see the connection. On the >surface of it, it looks like they are motivated by similar interests, but >they actually have extremely different interests. Not really. They both want power, and they'll do an awful lot to get it. Of course, Avon wants power so that he can be safe (amongst other things), whereas of course Bill is now in the worst danger of his political life. If he'd remained a humble Governor, the FBI wouldn't now be snapping at his heels. Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:24:58 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] New on list with some questions. Message-ID: <01BD2906.9ADC18A0@host5-99-61-216.btinternet.com> Tom here. Paul aksed: >I have just joined and am sorry if these have been discussed in great detail >many times before, but it is something that has always puzzled me ever since >I was four and used to play with my toy "Corgi" Liberator (which was my >favourite model but the Green glass bit at the back used to smash and the >laser cannons used to bend a lot)...I had about three but all of them broke, >does anybody still have one? Well, you're not alone. The real ones (the models) had a bright lightbulb in the back to make it light up, but if you left it on too long the green plastic would melt. Unfortunately, people were always leaving it on, so the model-makers spent many a happy hour replacing the green plastic bits and telling people not to leave the light on. The wire bits on the front didn't actually break much, being made of piano wire, but they were bloody dangerous for people's eyes, so they put bits of tape over the ends to make them less dangerous and more visible. Of course, they'd keep forgetting to remove the tape, so plenty of SFX shots had to be done all over again, this time without the tape. Has anybody ever spotted a shot with the bits of tape still on? 1) Where abouts did the crew sit on the ship? Nothing in canon to say (unless you get stopwatches out and time them from one bit of the ship to another, which people have done), but I usually assume that the bridge of a craft with a viewscreen (i.e. they don't need to look out of actual windows in the hull) would be put in the very centre to be as well-protected as possible. Also, the crew would get the gentlest G-forces during maneuvering. Neither of these factors apply in the StarTrek universe, though, so what do I know about spacecraft design? 2) Was the green thing at the back part of the engines? (When I was little, I always imagined it to be part of Zen!?) The green glowing thing? I would guess it was some essential part - either the drive or the power unit. Otherwise, why have a massively-visible bright green beacon on a combat ship? The interceptors from the System had them too. You just think it's part of Zen because of the giant glowing brain in Ultraworld, don't you? :-) Purge that episode from your mind. Purge, purge, purge. >3) Did all four of the cannons fire, if all four laser type things are guns >etc? I _think_ the only shots we see of the neutron blaster firing were of the central one. I can very easily be wrong, of course. That doesn't mean that the pods weren't firing as well, but why have four small weapons when surely one big, powerful weapon would be best? Having said that, if the green thing is the engine and the neutron blaster is in the central nose, and the bridge was in the middle, that doesn't leave a lot for the pods to do! Mind you, they did all talk about the neutron blaster*s*, implying there was more than one. >Hope you can help I can waffle. Will that do? Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:54:58 -0600 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980124144358.00cc8c2c@dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Louise Rutter wrote: >Not really. They both want power, and they'll do an awful lot to get it. I don't see Avon as wanting power at all. *Servalan* wants power. *Avon* wants to be left the hell alone. Power carries responsibility, and having to deal with people. Servalan doesn't mind that; Avon does. Wanting to escape from being in the power of others doesn't equate to wanting power over others for yourself. -- - Lisa Lisa's Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:46:53 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine list: Multimedia gen Message-ID: <19980124164653.58062@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jan 24, 1998 at 04:09:00AM +0000, s.thompson8@genie.geis.com wrote: > REFRACTIONS #1 (AU) > REFRACTIONS #2 (AU) And Refractions #3, which came out last year (1997) Refractions #4 is an all-Babylon 5 issue. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:58:22 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] OK to send e-mail? Message-ID: <34CA1DAE.51DF@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calle Dybedahl wrote: re: > > Is this spam the next generation? > Yes. Don't reply to it. oohhhhhhh ! Just like in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" - The Vampires can't come in unless somebody invites them in! ':o Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:04:52 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Orac in Ep 52 Message-ID: <34CA1F34.37CF@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith Proctor wrote: re: > On Thu 22 Jan, John Werry wrote: > > BTW ... Yes I remember the Shoot out at the end of the Ep ... > She really wasn't there. A lot of people think she was, but Jacqueline > Pearce will tell you that she wasn't. There are several reasons, but the > most important one in my view is that it would have spoilt the story. Where > is the tragedy and irony of Avon shooting his best friend if Servalan had > somehow set it up? It would give Avon an excuse, and thus reduce the impact > of it all. (It would also have required jam-packing even more into what was > already a very full episode) > I like to think that Servalan set it up. I think Avon would be even more distressed to know he had been manipulated by his adversary (i.e. out-thinked) into enacting this dispicable act. But I always heard the real reason Servalan wasn't in this ep was because Jackie Pearce had already fulfilled her season-long contract with the BBC for X number of episodes. And I heard that she was rather miffed as well that Servalan missed this most splendid opportunity to gloat one last time. (and perhaps say again, "and Avon, *you* were my greatest ally....) Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:44:45 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] long reads Message-ID: <34CA288D.2A8D@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Forsyth wrote: >The Silmarillion. > Yes, I've heard nasty things about that. yeah, I've only read that one 3 times. *sigh* what lovely use of language. Glutton-for-Punishment Pat P But then, I read the long Ennarre "Pattern of Infinity" 3 times. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:53:41 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se CC: b7spin@metva.com.au Subject: Re: [B7L] Fem politics again Message-ID: <34CA1C95.773B@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Narrelle Harris wrote: re: > >thousands of years of civilization support the opposite truth. And > >surely anyone in the workplace today sees it all the time. Women who > >have everything going for them turn into "something else" when a baby > >comes along. > Now it's Saturday and I have time to dive back into the fray... First, to clarify the "something else" statement that an earlier poster picked up on (sorry, your post got accidentally deleted before I could respond directly) "Everything going for them" was meant as a shorthand business term: someone who spent years preparing for a business career: the education, etc. "Something else" was not meant in a derogatory sense, but as a shorthand term for someone entirely different, now speaking about different topics in a different tone of voice and engaging in different activities, i.e. becoming a person different from the person I once knew. Not a bad person, not a rude or mean or cold person, indeed a very caring person - caring towards her child(ren) - still, a different person, as if Jane turned into Joan. > Some societies have been matriarchies, but few, in the greater scheme of things > and many have had a whole range of gender/social role > mechanisms that differ from the ones we're familiar with. We've strayed from my original statement, which was: men are more focused and aggressive when it comes to making money. (witness Avon and Vila - ha!) Indeed, many societies (before capitalism) had little use for money; there was little to buy. Yes, entire societies focused on other things; primarily eating and reproducing, which, let's face it, is the primary focus of the entire animal kingdom. >... You should try really *looking* at how the media reports on a > female politician as opposed to their treatment of a *male* one. I see it vey clearly. Look at poor Hillary Clinton - an exceptional woman who got crucified in the media for taking an aggressive stance towards even a "caring" topic: health care. When she looked strong, all the polls showed it made her husband look weak. So she was forced to lie low for a couple years, then come back as an advocate for women and children (as if child-care is the "proper" concern of a lady lawyer). Conversely, hostess & ballgown figureheads like Nancy Reagan, Barbara Bush and Princess Di get adulation for selecting the house china. And need we even mention poor, drawn-and-quartered stong woman U.S. vice-presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro? And Elizabeth Dole, so obviously superior a choice to candidate Bob Dole? BUT the point is: if women, the majority of the population, really *cared* about power, they have the numbers to take it. They *have* the numbers to elect women to office. But they don't. Sure, I wish they would. *I* always vote for *all* the women on a ballot. But, obviously, most women don't, or we'd have all femme elected officials. The point I'm making is that women (in the collective; sure, there are always exceptions - witness Servalan) don't care enough to fight for it. This doesn't make them "bad" - women fight hard for the survival of their children, but not for money. In this age of political correctness, magazine covers trumpet: The 10 richest people in the world. But the headline should, of course, read: The 10 richest men in the world. (Or richest 100, or 1,000 - generally the only women on the list are rich widows). Pat P PS I was once a Flaming Feminist, but during my past 20 years in marketing / advertising have read far too much psychology, sociology and biology and cannot refute the science and history and reality of the true situation. Nobody ever said life was fair. Now I'm taking this to the B7 spin list *only* from here on out. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:08:21 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RE: Doesn't like 'Harvest of Kairos'? Message-ID: <34CA2005.7A57@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G. Robbins wrote: > > OH DUH! Forgot about that stupid fake looking monster on Kairos.. yes, that did rather fling the series into a new orbit of silliness - surely that critter wandered in from the set of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy? I always wonder how many times the crew had to reshoot that scene facing the giant bug - I always envision them rolling on the grass, overcome by hysterics. Is that on the bloopers film? Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:23:54 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] New on list with some questions. Message-ID: In message <01BD2906.9ADC18A0@host5-99-61-216.btinternet.com>, Louise Rutter writes >Tom here. > >Paul aksed: > >2) Was the green thing at the back part of the engines? (When I was little, >I >always imagined it to be part of Zen!?) > >The green glowing thing? I would guess it was some essential part - either >the drive or the power unit. Otherwise, why have a massively-visible bright >green beacon on a combat ship? The interceptors from the System had them >too. > The same interview that mentioned the length of the ship as being a kilometer also said that the green ball was the engine, which would cover both drive and power unit. Yes, I *know* I promised to look up where I saw that interview. I'll do it, I'll do it! -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:01:41 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Corgi Liberator Message-ID: <199801241902_MC2-3086-4206@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Paul asked: >I had about three but all of them broke, >does anybody still have one? Yes. Not selling! >1) Where abouts did the crew sit on the ship? Don't know. <2) Was the green thing at the back part of the >engines? (When I was little, I always imagined >it to be part of Zen!?) What a delightful idea! Much more interesting than engines. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:01:43 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Silmarillion (was Steven Donaldson) Message-ID: <199801241902_MC2-3086-4207@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Russ said: >I have to say that I've read through the best >bits (about 60%) of the Silmarillion about four >times in all, and each time some of the chapters >leave me feeling like I did after first watching 'Blake'. I liked Luthien disguised as a bat. And Beren demonstrating that his hand held the Silmaril. Very Norse. Trouble is, Christopher Tolkien eventually got into publishing the entire contents of his father's wastepaper bin. I read one Thomas Covenant, though, and that was enough. More than. Can't actually remember whether I finished it. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:07:28 EST From: DCsquared To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] New Here with a question. Message-ID: <86bda3fb.34ca8242@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-19 12:23:51 EST, Joel Rollins writes: ...Again I'm new to discussing this show.....around here...in Texas....it seems that even fewer people know of Blake's 7 than know of Doctor Who and that makes the number of people to converse with small indeed. Texas! Did you say Texas! Where in Texas? I thought I was the only B7 fan in Texas (Houston). A few more folks and we can have a Texas area Blake-a- thon!! Donna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:51:48 EST From: DCsquared To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton Message-ID: <20ae9c09.34ca8ca6@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-24 15:41:07 EST, you write: << >I also want to comment on Paul Darrow's idea that Avon parallels Bill >Clinton. He's got to be kidding! If not, I suspect that Mr. Darrow doesn't >understand our president very well. >> Perhaps he was just alluding to the fact that Clinton is "under attack" from all sides, and is in essence "fighting for his life". I'm wouldn't be at all surprised if Mr. Clinton wouldn't prefer to be fighting the Federation from the deck of the Liberator right now than be in the stew he's in. At least then he'd have a chance of hiding out somewhere! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:45:54 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] New Here with a question. Message-ID: <19980125134554.56379@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jan 24, 1998 at 07:07:28PM -0500, DCsquared wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-19 12:23:51 EST, Joel Rollins writes: > > > ...Again I'm new to discussing this show.....around here...in Texas....it > > seems that even fewer people know of Blake's 7 than know of Doctor Who > > and that makes the number of people to converse with small indeed. > > Texas! Did you say Texas! Where in Texas? I thought I was the only B7 fan > in Texas (Houston). A few more folks and we can have a Texas area Blake-a- > thon!! But there's a very good Blake's 7 club in Texas, in the Dallas area, called O*R*A*C. I used to be an overseas member, because they actually had a decent newsletter. They seem to meet regularly, in members homes or at particular public places. Tarriel Cell newsletter of O*R*A*C - bimonthly P.O. Box 566123 Dallas TX 75356-6123 USA That was the last address I had for them. I don't know who their current email contact is, or who is the current editor of the newsletter. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:07:22 EST From: Ashton7 To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@world.std.com, FANZINE@PSUVM.PSU.EDU, vpfc-l@ListService.net, richie-l@raven.me.fau.edu, HLFFW-L@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM, asj-peteduel-fans@lists.colorado.edu Subject: [B7L] New Highlander Zine(s) & more Message-ID: <340c739c.34caba7d@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, all. Announcing yet another new Highlander novel! "Reflections" by Lynn Montgomery, a slash Highlander novel, will be available in February, 1998. A new Highlander: The Series slash fan novel, offering an alternative history to the current sixth season. The story takes place after "The Modern Prometheus" and "Archangel" never happened. What could destroy Death? What memories, after three thousand years, still have the power to shatter Methos' soul? Joe's efforts to repair Duncan's and Methos' wounded friendship crash as they reach Egypt and Methos is confronted with his former life. Not just his years as Death, but Death's actual destruction, haunts Methos as he is faced with the memories and landscape of three millennia before. As Joe and Duncan struggle to understand the motivations of Death-and what could possibly destroy that confidence and persona-Methos must struggle to regain that confidence and reestablish his very identity. All he has known is called into question, including his very ability to love. His only hope: to go back in time, confront those memories, and travel the same road he'd traveled three millennia before. With Joe and Duncan as his audience, Methos weaves the tale, reliving as he does so the destruction of Death and how the love of two very different men brought him back from the edge. But as he spins his tale-and tries to rebuild his life-he has to meet Duncan's judgement head on, and Duncan must learn to accept Kronos in the role of a hero; friendship and identity hang in the balance. Reflections is an adult novel containing graphic violence and sex, including male/male pairings (Methos/Kronos, Methos/Caspian and Methos/Jakata, an original character). If this kind of story isn't your cup of tea, please do not order. This zine will not knowingly be sold to anyone under the age of 18. Illustrated by Leah Rosenthal, F. Cade, C. P. Foster, and Maryann Jorgensen with a full color cover. Approximately 241,000 words, 281 pages. Final Price: $24.00, postage included. Excerpts of artwork and text along with ordering information can be found at: http://members.aol.com/ashton7/reflect.htm. Also available: Then the Night Comes by Ann Wortham & Leah Rosenthal. A new Highlander novel offering an alternative resolution to the fifth season cliffhanger Archangel and the aired sixth season episodes. Richie Ryan is dead at the hands of his best friend and mentor, Duncan MacLeod. Horrified at what he has done and believing he is pursued by an ancient demon known as Ahriman, MacLeod flees Paris to seek help from old friends in Cornwall. Joe Dawson, Cassandra, and Methos soon follow and the pursuit of who-or what-Ahriman truly is soon involves many of MacLeod's friends in a desperate race from Cornwall to Scotland to Wales. Along the way, Methos must confront more specters from his past, MacLeod learns a few lessons, Joe has a new friendship which is deepening, and Cassandra must learn to deal with a Methos who is, in many ways, different from the man she once knew. Flashbacks take our heroes from ancient Egypt to ancient Babylonia and to Barcelona, Spain along the way. Then the Night Comes is rated PG with no overt sex, either straight or slash. Approximately 145,000 words, 194 pages. Final Price: $20.00, postage included. To see excerpts of artwork and text, go to: http://members.aol.com/ashton7/night.htm. Visit the Ashton Press home page for information about other zines, including Blakes 7: http://members.aol.com/ashton7/ashton.htm. Both of the above zines are available from KnightWriter Press c/o Linda Knights, Printed and distributed by KnightWriter Press c/o Linda Knights, 6292 Oak Ct., Sumas, WA 98295-8232. Internet: lknight@nas.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:42:27 -0000 From: "THOMAS GARNETT JR" To: Subject: [B7L] Howdy..Another Houston TX Blake fan here Message-ID: <001401bd2919$5a4da0c0$13b750ce@tom-s-computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donna, You have another Houston, TX Blake 7 fan here. I have been on the list for sometime and really enjoy reading all of the material...I am also surprised to find any Texans on here...but you know what they say here....Everything is bigger (and better) in Texas (hahaha...!!) Thomas -----Original Message----- From: DCsquared To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [B7L] New Here with a question. >In a message dated 98-01-19 12:23:51 EST, Joel Rollins writes: > >...Again I'm new to discussing this show.....around here...in Texas....it >seems that even fewer people know of Blake's 7 than know of Doctor Who >and that makes the number of people to converse with small indeed. > > >Texas! Did you say Texas! Where in Texas? I thought I was the only B7 fan >in Texas (Houston). A few more folks and we can have a Texas area Blake-a- >thon!! > >Donna > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 06:02:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.geis.com To: space-city%world.std.com%inet01#@genie.geis.com Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, randym7@bestweb.net Subject: [B7L] Zine list additions Message-Id: <199801250611.GAA27715@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Already I have some additions and corrections to the list of multimedia zines with B7 material that I just posted. Additions: CROSSROADS I (US) CROSSROADS III (US) FIVE HUNDRED YEAR DIARY (multiple crossover; cartoons by Paul Gadzikowski) THE GARDEN SPOT (SF media) MULTIVERSE #27 (AU) [does anyone know if there have been still more issues?] OH BOY #1 (QL zine with crossover story) Corrections: [Time Distort #2 (all-B7 issue of mm zine) see all-B7 list] A typo-- I listed #1 twice. THE ULTIMATE MARY SUE (ST & B7 Mary Sue stories; AU, 1991 or before) I listed this as a US zine. It's not, although there was an authorized North American reprint edition. The editor is Suasn Clarke. WHO'S/BLAKE #4 (CN; issues from #5 on are renamed SHERWOOD TUNNELS) I listed WHO'S/BLAKE #5, but there's no such zine. From #5 on, it was called SHERWOOD TUNNELS. #s 5 and 6 definitely have at least some B7; there was also a #7, but I don't know whether it has any B7 content or not. Please let me know if you spot more of this kind of thing! Sarah Thompson -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #23 *************************************