From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #232 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/232 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 232 Today's Topics: [B7L] Bilge water [B7L] Uses of teeth? [B7L] RE: Tarrant Nostra baiting [B7L] disability Re: [B7L] RE: Tarrant Nostra baiting [B7L] meegat story Re: [B7L] disability RE: [B7L] disability RE: [B7L] disability Re: [B7L] disability RE: [B7L] disability Re: [B7L] disability Re: [B7l] disability [B7L] Baconisms RE: [B7L] disability [B7L] Uses of teeth? [B7L] Re: The Rebellion [B7L] Food for Thought [B7L] web page updates ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:17:30 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Bilge water Message-ID: <19980908051731.23668.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain So, now that we've been warned to be on our guard for the next six months...Nicola says: >Here's a scheme: Government puts insidious mind control substance >in water supply; Rebel cell find out, but can't make antidote for some >sabotage purification plant [material deleted] Govt get piped water >drinkable, but rebels have countered their Nefarious Plan. Round 1 >to our team ;) Next phase - add antidote to piped water. I see. So the source of contamination isn't Warragamba dam, or the Prospect treatment works, or any other part of the system. Instead, we must look for revolutionaries, wherever they are. The Upper Avon dam might be a good place to start looking...yes? No? I agree with the other Joanne, by the way. The catchment area for the Hunter Valley would have much the same problems, and I don't think there's been a problem of this sort in Newcastle and its surrounds for at least as long as I can remember. We just have earthquakes every sixty years or so (long enough for people to forget the possibility of it ever happening again). Regards Joanne Posture is important. Always pretend you've got a broomstick up your pooter. --Kaz Cooke, The Little Book of Stress. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:26:06 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Uses of teeth? Message-ID: <19980908052607.23827.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Me, then Nicola: >>Umm. I thought so. Not that I want to know what it is, do >>I? >Not in front of the children ; ) Actually, I think you're beginning to be greedy, Nicola. I'm prepared to stand well back - as might be safer when the more fanatical Avonites work out what you might have in mind (several kilometres back!) Regards Joanne You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment. --Francis Urquhart. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:33:39 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] RE: Tarrant Nostra baiting Message-ID: <19980908053339.3310.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain fifitrix said: >Watch it you lot! - We have attack bases in Europe as well as the >US you know!! Are you sure there isn't one in Sydney? Wouldn't have to go looking for rebel hideaways in that case! Regards Joanne Some men keep their word because no one else will take it. --W.G.P. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:19:36 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] disability Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I was listening to the radio today and the programme was discussing the fact that TV/movie characters who are maimed or scarred are frequently the villains. How much does this hold true for Blake's 7? Travis with his eyepatch and artificial arm was a villain. Hal Mellanby was blind, but had glasses rather than an eyepatch so was not disfigured per se. Dev Tarrant limped and was a villain. Blake acquired a scar which emphasied his moral ambiguity in the last episode. Forbus (the inventor of Pylene 50) was in a wheelchair and I guess counts as a godo guy as he certainly hadn't wanted Pylene 50 to be used in the way it was. Colonel Quute (Traitor) has an eyepatch and is a bad guy. The Lost (The Web) were represented by a rather ugly homonculus and were bad guys. I'd say disfigurement is currently on the side of the bad guys with the exception of Forbus (and possibly Blake). Anyone care to add extra examples to tip the balance in either direction? Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:29:19 +1000 From: "Katrina Harkess" To: "B7" Subject: Re: [B7L] RE: Tarrant Nostra baiting Message-Id: <199809080831.SAA28789@extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > fifitrix said: > >Watch it you lot! - We have attack bases in Europe as well as the >US > you know!! > > Are you sure there isn't one in Sydney? Wouldn't have to go looking for > rebel hideaways in that case! > Of course there is - I'm in Sydney! [If they will have me after all. :P] Katrina. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:34:27 +1000 From: "Katrina Harkess" To: "B7" Subject: [B7L] meegat story Message-Id: <199809080835.SAA01313@extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've loved almost *every* *single* *one* of the stories passing through my mailbox this weekend [and yes, I do have one more to send when I manage to finish it.] But the untitled Meegat really really stood out. *shiver* Absolutely delicious. More please?? Katrina. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:30:22 +0100 From: "Heather Smith" To: "Lysator List" Subject: Re: [B7L] disability Message-ID: <001601bddb2c$d508a740$d02b63c3@smith99> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith said: >I'd say disfigurement is currently on the side of the bad guys with the >exception of Forbus (and possibly Blake). Anyone care to add extra examples to >tip the balance in either direction? Moloch was a pretty ugly critter, although he's non-humanoid, so does that count? Heather. 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish' -The fourth Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:27:52 +-200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: "'Judith Proctor'" , Lysator List Subject: RE: [B7L] disability Message-Id: <01BDDB45.A3C895A0@cmg71700449> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In star one Avon commented that it was a good thing the (very ugly) aliens were their enemies, because they'd be hard to love. Does that count? Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:37:40 +0100 From: "Gregory Graham" To: "Lysator List" Subject: RE: [B7L] disability Message-ID: <000001bddb3e$9d0a5fc0$82ba46c2@barny.ascada.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit heather said >Moloch was a pretty ugly critter, although he's non-humanoid, so does that >count? Probably, I think the theory goes "Bad guys are nasty, therefore all things nasty are bad guys". Similar to the cowboy maxim, "Bad guys wear black". Avon fans will undoubtedly agree. Unfortunately, it's a grotesque generalisation used throughout literature and entertainment. Think of the hideously scarred Phantom and the STOS klingons. Notice how the Klingons have got cuter as they have integrated into Star Trek. What I want to know is just how beautiful Servalan would have become had she run away with Avon? -----Gregory Graham------- Milan@es.co.nz||greg@geharris.co.uk WARNING: The opinions expressed may not reflect upon reality let alone GE Harris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:07:24 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] disability Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 08 Sep, Heather Smith wrote: > Judith said: > >I'd say disfigurement is currently on the side of the bad guys with the > >exception of Forbus (and possibly Blake). Anyone care to add extra > examples to > >tip the balance in either direction? > > > Moloch was a pretty ugly critter, although he's non-humanoid, so does that > count? But he was humanoid - a computer's prediction of what humanity would evolve into. I guess that's another score for the bad guys as he was an ugly human rather than an ugly alien. (Moloch also goes to show that the links were not the only possible future - evolotion is drivenm by environment) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:13:31 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: RE: [B7L] disability Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 08 Sep, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote: > In star one Avon commented that it was a good thing the (very ugly) aliens were their > enemies, because they'd be hard to love. Does that count? I'll arbitarily disqualify aliens, although it's interesting that most aliens are extremely ugly. I'm really interested in the way the media portrays people with disabilties. As diabled actors complain - whenever someone wins an oscar for portraying a disabled person - they're always played by an able-bodied actor. With very rare exceptions (eg. the elephant man) ugly/disfigured people are bad guys. The rationale generally being that their disfigurement has led to them being rejeted and has warped their personality, etc. eg. Travis chose not to have his eye fixed up - it reminded him of his hate. The only disabled character played by a disabled actor who is really shown in a positive light that I can think of right now is Lifeguard in Wiseguy. (both legs amputated) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: 08 Sep 1998 21:14:40 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] disability Message-ID: Judith Proctor writes: > With very rare exceptions (eg. the elephant man) ugly/disfigured > people are bad guys. Vincent in "Beauty and the Beast" (TV series, not Disney movie) would be another exception, I guess. > The only disabled character played by a disabled actor who is really > shown in a positive light that I can think of right now is Lifeguard > in Wiseguy. (both legs amputated) There is/was a series about a mute and/or deaf female lawyer. I happened to catch it a few times on Swedish TV but can't remember what it was called. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "I think quotes are very dangerous things." -- KaTe Bush ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:20:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Susan.Moore@uni.edu To: BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7l] disability Message-id: <01J1KCT4QXYE8WW46D@uni.edu> Judith spake thusly: > The only disabled character played by a disabled actor who is really shown > in a positive light that I can think of right now is Lifeguard in Wiseguy. > (both legs amputated) Of course, the same actor plays Joe Dawson in Highlander, and he's a mostly positive guy. Susan M. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:22:10 -0500 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: "Lysator" Cc: "Space City" Subject: [B7L] Baconisms Message-ID: <025701bddb66$5c29eac0$660114ac@misnt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I got bored at work and stumbled across a neat (scary?) resource that uses the Internet Movie Database to link actors to Kevin Bacon via movies. I ran a few of the Blake's 7 crew throught this and came up with the following results: --Thomas, Gareth has a Bacon number of 2: Thomas, Gareth was in Waterland (1992) with Thomas, Rohn Thomas, Rohn was in Telling Lies in America (1997) with Bacon, Kevin --Pacey, Steven has a Bacon number of 2: Pacey, Steven was in Aces High (1976) with McCarthy, Kevin McCarthy, Kevin was in Hero At Large (1980) with Bacon, Kevin --Simon, Josette has a Bacon number of 2: Simon, Josette was in Milk and Honey (1995) with Ward, Lyman Ward, Lyman was in Planes, Trains & Automobiles (1987) with Bacon, Kevin --Pearce, Jacqueline has a Bacon number of 2: Pearce, Jacqueline was in Princess Caraboo (1994) with Lithgow, John Lithgow, John was in Footloose (1984) with Bacon, Kevin --Croucher, Brian has a Bacon number of 2: Croucher, Brian was in Scrubbers (1983) with Margolyes, Miriam Margolyes, Miriam was in Balto (1995) with Bacon, Kevin --Darrow, Paul has a Bacon number of 3: Darrow, Paul was in Long Ago Tomorrow (1971) with McDowell, Malcolm McDowell, Malcolm was in Player, The (1992) with Roberts, Julia Roberts, Julia was in Flatliners (1990) with Bacon, Kevin --Keating, Michael (I) has a Bacon number of 3: Keating, Michael (I) was in Julius Caesar (1970) with Heston, Charlton Heston, Charlton was in True Lies (1994) with Curtis, Jamie Lee Curtis, Jamie Lee was in Queens Logic (1991) with Bacon, Kevin --Barber, Glynis has a Bacon number of 3: Barber, Glynis was in Déjà Vu (1997) with Redgrave, Vanessa Redgrave, Vanessa was in Mother's Boys (1993) with Curtis, Jamie Lee Curtis, Jamie Lee was in Queens Logic (1991) with Bacon, Kevin --Greif, Stephen has a Bacon number of 3: Greif, Stephen was in Leon the Pig Farmer (1992) with Whitman, Peter Whitman, Peter was in Little Shop of Horrors (1986) with Martin, Steve Martin, Steve was in Planes, Trains & Automobiles (1987) with Bacon, Kevin --Jackson, David (II) has a Bacon number of 3: Jackson, David (II) was in 10 Rillington Place (1971) with Gardner, Jimmy Gardner, Jimmy was in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (1991) with Costner, Kevin Costner, Kevin was in JFK (1991) with Bacon, Kevin --Knyvette, Sally has a Bacon number of Infinity: Knyvette, Sally can't be linked to Bacon, Kevin using only feature films .--Chappell, Jan has a Bacon number of Infinity: Chappell, Jan can't be linked to Bacon, Kevin using only feature films. --Tuddenham, Peter has a Bacon number of Infinity: Tuddenham, Peter can't be linked to Bacon, Kevin using only feature films. What any of this means...? I'll have to think about that one. Ideas, anyone? Reuben http://www.reuben.net/blake/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:53:46 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: RE: [B7L] disability Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greg: >Probably, I think the theory goes "Bad guys are nasty, therefore all things >nasty are bad guys". Similar to the cowboy maxim, "Bad guys wear black". >Avon fans will undoubtedly agree. Avon's not bad, he's just dressed that way ;) But seriously, I think the costumes do generate a sort of bad-boy mystique around the character. If they'd dressed him in a toga, it just wouldn't be the same. Intriguing, though... >Unfortunately, it's a grotesque generalisation used throughout literature >and entertainment. Think of the hideously scarred Phantom and the STOS >klingons. Notice how the Klingons have got cuter as they have integrated >into Star Trek. I've frequently noticed the more aggressive and anti-Federation Klingons have worse teeth. Worf is almost a toothpaste commercial by comparison. >What I want to know is just how beautiful Servalan would have become had she >run away with Avon? She's definitely a data point against the "ugly=bad" hypothesis! ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie mailto:nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV." 56 sleeps! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:41:13 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: [B7L] Uses of teeth? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After working out my nefarious plan for Avon, Joanne commented: >Actually, I think you're beginning to be greedy, Nicola. I'm prepared to >stand well back - as might be safer when the more fanatical Avonites >work out what you might have in mind (several kilometres back!) [leisurely, feline stretch] Oh, I'm finished with him now. Open slather, folks ;) ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie mailto:nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV." 56 sleeps! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 22:44:42 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: The Rebellion Message-ID: <35F5A540.9B7F70A4@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat asked: "can anyone remember any more either incidents, mentions, or rebels?" How about Hal Melanby -- cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:26:41 EDT From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Food for Thought Message-ID: <85e33299.35f5f571@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi. It's Tiger M again. I wonder what would have happened if Blake had succeeded in overthrowing the Federation. Would things have improved or would there have been a period of chaos and anarchy first, like the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe are dealing with now? Overthrowing an oppressive government is one thing, but setting up a viable new society is something much harder (anyone remember the Articles of Confederation? If you are American, you should). I could very easily see the Terra Nostra move into the power vacuum left by the Federation government, just as the Russian Mafia has done. What makes the Russian Mafia even scarier is that many of them are former KGB. Also, all those Federation troops, spies, torturers, informers, etc. are not going to simply cease to exist. Many of them may disappear for a while, but they will still be lurking in the shadows. Many of the Nazi scientists who worked on the V2 and atomic projects went to work for the American and Soviet space and defense programs. We're still hunting down those who were involved in the death camps fifty years later. How would Blake have handled these problems? What would he do about the torturers, etc.? Would he be a Nelson Mandela or a Boris Yeltsin? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:15:51 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Space City Subject: [B7L] web page updates Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Various recent updates on the web page. http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Recent cast news, several new filks, more essays, major updates on ordering overseas zines (I can now get a large number of American zines in fandoms other than Blake's 7), the latest Avon club zines and merchandise, and a new Liberator pic in the gallery. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #232 **************************************