From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #242 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/242 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 242 Today's Topics: [B7L] Re Discworld Con Re: [B7L] Re Discworld Con Re: [B7L] TVGuide [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters Re: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo Re: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo Re: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo Re: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters Re: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters [B7L] Please excuse the doggerel (I'll be back in my right mind shortly) Re: [B7L] Please excuse the doggerel (I'll be back in my right mind shortly) Re: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:01:52 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re Discworld Con Message-ID: <199809202102_MC2-5A14-4011@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Back from Dublin, via Sussex, to discover a bout of masochistic violence in progress: >>Jackie > >(now looking for the nearest brick wall to bash my head against) > > Don't fret, Jackie, I feel entirely the same way! > > --Grace > > [Echoes loudly DAMN! and BLAST! and looks along with her for a brick wall > to bash her head against.]< It's an old wall. It waits. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:40:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "G. Robbins" To: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> cc: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re Discworld Con Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >> [Echoes loudly DAMN! and BLAST! and looks along with her for a brick wall >> to bash her head against.]< >It's an old wall. It waits. >Harriet Hehehe!! Good reply!! I'll say hi to Servalan for you. --Grace ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:44:45 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] TVGuide Message-ID: <3605936D.7153@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jay wrote: > I would like to get a "TV Guide synopsis" for all 52 eps and put them on my > website. Please add or make suggestions for improvement. Ideally, the blurbs should tease, and not give away the ending. > > Deliverance…..Avon discovers an admirer Avon gets religion > Trial……….Blake travels to save an adversary An older woman takes an interest in Blake - sending Jenna up a tree! > Gambit……..Avon and Vila play games Vila risks all at the galaxy's top casino > Aftermath...Avon and Servalan share a tender moment Avon gets a job offer that sounds too good to be true! > Children of Auron…….Servalan becomes a mum Servalan faces a painful choice between family and career. > Rumours of Death……Avon and crew thwart a plot to overthrow Servalan Avon gets the chance to settle an old score. > Terminal…..Season Finale: the Liberator goes out with a bang. Avon abandons ship. > Orbit……..Avon and Vila share differing points of view Avon turns to Orac for advice on a difficult decision. > Blake……Series Finale: Avon and crew are reunited with an old friend The Scorpio crew look forward to some long-overdue shore leave. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 04:52:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: space-city%world.std.com%inet#@genie.com Subject: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters Message-Id: <199809210516.FAA20146@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just for fun, here are all the authors from my current list of gen stories who have written 10 or more stories each (counting collaborations separately for each author) published in paper zines. There are 93 names altogether. I'm still missing a few multimedia zines and older zines (does anyone have =Spacefall= #6??), but this list includes complete runs of pretty much all the major zines, so it's fairly representative. The number in front is the number of stories I counted for each author (without regard to length; a novel counts the same as a short-short, one title). Warning-- I didn't check my figures carefully, so I may well have miscounted occasionally. But this should be approximately accurate. It probably won't surprise anyone that the remarkable Sheila Paulson is the most prolific B7 fan writer of all. And she's so good! Many people would rate her as one of their favorites, maybe even their very favorite. Furthermore, she has the distinction of being the only writer I know of who has been published in all five of the countries that have ever, to my knowledge, published B7 zines (U.K., U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand). 10 Susan Clarke 10 Rebecca Donahue 10 Cheufell Doshier 10 Wendy Ingle 10 Jane Mailander 10 Margaret Martin 10 Deborah Millitello 10 Monica Mitchell 10 Mary Moulden 10 Julie A. Nowak 10 Judith Rolls 11 Peggy Hartsook 11 Helen Pitt 11 Sandra [Lyons] Van Densen 12 Neil Faulkner 12 Paulie Kay 12 Susan Matthews 12 Mary Morris 12 Jennifer Smallwood 12 Deborah M. Walsh 12 Kim Wigmore 12 Sheila Willis 12 K. Ann Yost 13 Ana Dorfstad 13 Celeste Hotaling-Lyons 13 Bryn Lantry 13 Susanne [McGhin] [Tilley] Katz (many more if Hellhound series is counted by story rather than by book) 13 Adrian Morgan 13 Cindy Rancourt 13 Rebecca Reeves 13 C. K. Smith 13 Sue Williams 14 Ruth Berman 14 Yvonne Hintz 14 Catherine Kendall 14 Patti E. McClellan 14 Brendan O'Cullane 14 Mary Alice Wuerz 15 Venessa Kelly 16 Jeanne DeVore 16 Narrelle Harris 16 Mary Robertson 17 Diana Smith 17 Katrina [Snyder] Larkin (many more if Hellhound series is counted by story rather than by book) 17 Michelle Moyer 17 Lindsey Jane Shelton 17 Sheila Tracy 17 Janet Walker 18 Pat Dunn 18 Jill Grundfest 18 Tim Pieraccini 18 Roxie Ray 19 Rebecca Ann Brothers 19 Brenda Callagher 19 Candra Danesen 19 Sandy Hall 19 Alan Moravian 19 Margaret Scroggs 19 K. Rae Travers 20 Jeff Morris 21 Gail Neville 21 Judith Proctor 21 Linda Terrell 21 Virginia Turpin 23 Susan Barrett Riaz 23 Barbara Wakely 24 Jean B. Hubb 24 Susan J. King 24 Marian Mendez 26 Daniel Bowden (these are all the "Brake's Even" comics in the Avon Club Newsletter) 28 Nikki White 29 Linda Knights 31 Carol McCoy 33 April Giordano-Grisalfi 33 Irene Stubbs 33 Teresa Ward 36 Dee Beetem 38 CarolMel Ambassador 38 Jean Graham 38 Helen Parkinson 40 Kathy Hintze 41 Mary Gerstner 41 Ros Williams 43 Sophia R. Mulvey 46 Lorna Breshears 47 Vickie McManus 48 Moira Dahlberg 49 Sue Bursztynski 60 Judith Seaman 62 Leigh Arnold 62 Ann Wortham 67 Leah Rosenthal 81 Sheila Paulson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 03:50:29 PDT From: "Rob Clother" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo Message-ID: <19980921105030.1049.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain >What does everyone else out there think? I don't think that kind of prose is anything other than an excuse to introduce "adult" themes into the series. As these have no place on Lysator, I don't feel the need to comment any further. On the subject of Jenna, I've bought the videos up to "Pressure Point", and I'm not sure I buy the "Jenna the Bimbo" theory anyway. Her roles in "Shadow" and "Horizon" were major ones -- she stood up to Blake in the former, and Blake based a key decision on her in the latter. If her lines weren't as slick as Avon's, Vila's or Blake's, you need good delivery to deliver good lines. I don't think hers was up to the mark -- to me, she looks very wooden next to Blake, and there is no obvious chemistry with any of the other actors. By contrast, Cally was under-utilised. She shines at the beginning of the second season, and it's a shame she becomes such a drip in the third. Jan had the ability to make more out of her character, and she'd proved it in the past. Unfortunately, the writers decided to waste that ability. I'm not sure you can really say the same thing about Sally. -- Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:15:22 +0100 (BST) From: mjsmith@tcd.ie (Murray) To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo Message-Id: <199809211415.PAA07310@dux1.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Susan M mentioned that Trevor Hoyle's first B7 novel portrayed the characters (such as in the piece I quoted) in such a manner that it had to be AH. Personally, I don't agree with this explanation. My own idea is that Hoyle had to work with draft scripts, and no idea as to which actors would play the characters, with understandably hilarious results! For your entertainment, here are Hoyle's descriptions of some of the main characters: 1. Avon: He[Blake] saw a man with large pale eyes and a high domed forehead, who at a guess was somewhere in his thirties. We are, of course, supposed to imagine Avon as an 'egghead', or perhaps 'nerd' would be a better word. 2. Villa: The fact that greeted his[Blake's] return reminded him of a gargoyle. It was small, pinched, swarthy, and contained a pair of eyes that held a mischievous twinkle despite their expression of apparently sincere concern. Of course, our Villa was neither handsome or ugly, but of normal appearance, with nothing to make him stand out, something invaluable for his thieving activities. 3. Vargas: tall and solidly-built with fair curly hair that surrounded his head like a halo. Although extremely handsome, his face had an arrogant leer, superior and distainful. First, there is no mention of Vargas having a beard; second, he's obviously younger than Brian Blessed. 4. Jenna: A girl was standing at Villa's shoulder. She was quite tall, slim, with dark hair, and even in the dim light Blake could see that she was extraordinarily beautiful. Yes, that _is_ the description of Jenna, not Cally. 5. Cally: His[Blake's] assailant was tall, slim, athletically supple -- and she was incredible beautiful into the bargain. But the most fascinating feature about her was the colour of her eyes. Blake had never in his life seen anything like them, nor anyone like her, and neither could he fathom out why a young, stunningly-attractive girl should be wearing camouflaged combat gear: military-style shirt and trousers and snug, tightly-laced jungle boots. Poor Blake. So he can't figure out why she was dressed like that. How about the fact that she was fighting the Federation and that she would be an easy target if dressed in a designer gown. As regards the descriptions of Jenna and Cally, I can make a suggestion as to why such characters were not persisted with in the series: the BBC had made approaches to two supermodels, but the price they demanded was too high. Murray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:00:54 PDT From: "Rob Clother" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se, mjsmith@tcd.ie Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo Message-ID: <19980921160055.27837.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain > Susan M mentioned that Trevor Hoyle's first B7 novel >portrayed the >characters (such as in the piece I quoted) in such a manner that it >had to >be AH. Personally, I don't agree with this explanation. My own idea >is that >Hoyle had to work with draft scripts, and no idea as to which actors >would >play the characters, with understandably hilarious results! Crumbs! So that was all written before the show went on the air. That makes me feel like a wally -- there was a bit of a sense of humour failure in my last message. All this goes to show how dreadful the series could have been if the wrong people had got their hands on it. This stuff really looks as though it's been written by a member of the dirty raincoat brigade! I still say Jenna was given as fair a crack of the whip as Gan, though. :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:53:00 +0100 (BST) From: mjsmith@tcd.ie (Murray) To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo Message-Id: <199809210953.KAA26016@dux1.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Many, including myself, have lamented the treatment of Jenna in the series. Instead of being the vigorous, independent smuggler we expected, she became more the blonde bimbo at the teleport. Despite this, I found, when reading Trevor Hoyle's novelisation of the first four chapters, that things could have been worse. The following extract is located at the time of 'Cygnus Alpha' when Jenna has found something new to wear, and is showing it off to Avon. The latter has figured out the foolproof method of stealing 5 million credits from the Federation when Jenna appeared in the doorway and softly called his name. Avon casually looked round and then sat up straight, his eyes popping out of his head. His first thought was to wonder how a beautiful and sexy star maiden had managed to get aboard the _Liberator_ and it took all ot ten seconds for him to realise that it was Jenna, attired in the most magnificent - and rather revealing - space-age costume. She stood in the doorway, well aware of the stunning effect and revelling in Avon's goggling admiration, her expression one of impish seductiveness. 'That looks-' Avon swallowed '-incredible.' He got slowly to his feet and gazed at her with real appreciation. 'You think it does something for me?' Jenna enquired coyly, posing for him. Avon nodded dumbly. 'It does something for me too,' he confessed. 'It's been a long time since I wore clothes like this. It makes me feel like a woman again.' 'It doesn't leave too much doubt about that,' Avon told her truthfully. 'Where did you get it?' Looking at 'Cygnus Alpha', I didn't think that her costume was that sexy. Perhaps if it was something corresponding to the gold bikini worn by Princess Leia in 'Return of the Jedi' I might have had a different opinion. What does everyone else out there think? Murray Smith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 04:18:05 +1000 From: "Katrina Harkess" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo Message-Id: <199809211819.EAA01633@extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >What does everyone else out there think? > > I don't think that kind of prose is anything other than an excuse to > introduce "adult" themes into the series. As these have no place on > Lysator, I don't feel the need to comment any further. People consider the discussion of Jenna-the-character being treated in a degrading manner because of her gender ADULT??? > > On the subject of Jenna, I've bought the videos up to "Pressure Point", > and I'm not sure I buy the "Jenna the Bimbo" theory anyway. Her roles > in "Shadow" and "Horizon" were major ones -- she stood up to Blake in > the former, and Blake based a key decision on her in the latter. If her > lines weren't as slick as Avon's, Vila's or Blake's, you need good > delivery to deliver good lines. I don't think hers was up to the mark > -- to me, she looks very wooden next to Blake, and there is no obvious > chemistry with any of the other actors. > > By contrast, Cally was under-utilised. She shines at the beginning of > the second season, and it's a shame she becomes such a drip in the > third. Jan had the ability to make more out of her character, and she'd > proved it in the past. Unfortunately, the writers decided to waste that > ability. I'm not sure you can really say the same thing about Sally. /Jenna/ was certainly underutilised in many episodes - but more because the writer seems to be more comfortable writing the powerful roles for the men. This becomre more evident in the 3rd Season though, and by that time Jenna is gone. Wooden? In constrast, she gave a very good portrayal of the character - a character who wasn't a snappy or witty as Blake/Avon/Vila. If you want a woodenly played character - look at Gan! [Not that there was much poor David Jackson could do but anyway] Besides, in Shadow and Horizon - it was the male charaters reacting to their judgement/knowledge of her /not/ Jenna given lines and screen time to play it out much. And don't forget when it was written - we've come a long way in the little under 20years since. Not to say Cally wasn't underutilised as well but I'm focusing on Jenna here. Katrina. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:49:52 +0100 From: JMR To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980921214952.006a1c78@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:52 21/09/98 GMT, s.thompson8@genie.com wrote: >Just for fun, here are all the authors from my current list of gen > stories who have written 10 or more stories each (counting > collaborations separately for each author) published in paper > zines. (snip) It would be very interesting to know how many of the authors you listed are, in fact, still writing B7 stuff to this day. I, for one, haven't written any B7 since at least '92. What about everyone else who made the list? Anyone know? Judith J.M. Rolls jager@clara.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:27:27 +0200 From: nicoline.van.den.berg@tip.nl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980921232727.0082cbc0@pop1.tip.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >It would be very interesting to know how many of the authors you listed >are, in fact, still writing B7 stuff to this day. I, for one, haven't >written any B7 since at least '92. What about everyone else who made the >list? Anyone know? > > >Judith >J.M. Rolls >jager@clara.net So your two stories in the latest Horizon zine are *that* old? Wow... I'm sorry to hear you aren't writing B7 anymore these days since most of your stories are among my very favourites. Nicoline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:57:42 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Please excuse the doggerel (I'll be back in my right mind shortly) Message-ID: <19980921225746.15133.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain I sing a song, a tale of woe, From Heaven's grace I fell Because of the curse of the Toothy One The Tarrant Nostra love so well. The video went into the machine, The danger knew I not. I wanted to see if I was keen On these episodes for their plot. Just some episodes of "Pie in the Sky", A show I find sublime; But there on the screen was the Toothy One! It was only breakfast time. They need no horseheads now, you see, The victim does it all, By watching a fatal video, Her vision to appall. I wish I'd grabbed another tape, (Except for the fifth in number), For if I had done that at the time The horror would have slumbered. Instead, I saw the Toothy One, The punishment for my crimes. I ask for the grace of the godmother In answer to this rhyme. I sing a song, a tale of woe, From Heaven's grace I fell Because of the curse of the Toothy One, The Tarrant Nostra love so well. Sorry about this, ladies and gentlemen, but it only happened an hour and a half ago and I had to do something. You're probably wishing I'd chosen to do something else. Again, I'm sorry. Regards Joanne A good scare is worth more to a man than good advice. --Edgar Watson Howe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:39:06 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Please excuse the doggerel (I'll be back in my right mind shortly) Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Joanne bemoans: > I sing a song, a tale of woe, > From Heaven's grace I fell > Because of the curse of the Toothy One > The Tarrant Nostra love so well. It appears you can't escape your fate, so you may as well just accept your destiny. It's not as if you're being hit by a case of the plague. Tarrant can be a most enjoyable obsession. He's cute. He's brave. There are numerous items available to stave off withdrawal pains when "Pie in the Sky" simply isn't enough. We CAN help you. Carol Mc (chortling with glee) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:27:36 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters Message-ID: <373ac132.3606e0e8@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Judith asked: > It would be very interesting to know how many of the authors you listed > are, in fact, still writing B7 stuff to this day. I, for one, haven't > written any B7 since at least '92. What about everyone else who made the > list? Anyone know? I'm still writing. And Marian Mendez is still writing. Rebecca Brothers has other fannish interests but hasn't given up the possibility of writing more B7. Sheila Paulson writes the occasional B7 story these days--though nothing in the past couple of years. Peggy Hartsook hasn't written B7 in years and has no plans to do more B7 at this time. Teresa Ward is no longer in B7 and shows no signs of returning to the fold. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:55:43 EDT From: SuzanThoms@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/21/98 2:00:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Judith Rolls writes: << It would be very interesting to know how many of the authors you listed are, in fact, still writing B7 stuff to this day. I, for one, haven't written any B7 since at least '92. >> Yikes!! Not for lack of interest, I pray. (your interest, I mean) Suzanne -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #242 **************************************