From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #26 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/26 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 26 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Cygnus Alpha 1/2 [B7L] Pressure Point & Cygnus Alpha [B7L] Clinton and Avon re:[B7L] : Harvest of kairos, Average B7age ,etc re:[B7L]: Harvest of Kairos, etc, etc, stc [B7L] [Fwd: Blake7 art-Need Someone with Java] Re: [B7L] Clinton Re: [B7L] Casting the Young Ones in B7 (was "Carry on Blake") Re: [B7L] Still more zine list additions Re: [B7L] [B7L] Clinton, Avon, Nerdishness, etc. Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton re:[B7L] Pressure Point & Cygnus Alpha re[B7L]: New here with a question. reply re;[B7L]: Honeymoon [B7L] B5 & B7 [B7L] OH NO it's politics! Re: [B7L]: random thoughts and such from the week. Re: [B7L] Clinton and Avon Re: [B7L] Casting the Young Ones in B7 (was "Carry on Blake") [B7L] Cygnus Alpha Re: [B7L] Secrets of B/A revealed (many replies combined) Re: [B7L] Cygnus Alpha 1/2 Re: [B7L] Re: [B7L] : Harvest of kairos, Average B7age ,etc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:20:57 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Cygnus Alpha 1/2 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Julia Jones wrote: > >[Artix] a jaded, cynical young man. > It's a very nice piece of work. One of the things I like about it is > that it helps to suggest that many people, including Artix, aren't aware > of how corrupt the Federation is. I don't read it as being about corruption so much as about having his ambitions and hopes dashed, the loss of a colleague (even if it was Raiker), disgust with Leylan's wishy-washiness except on sending the message that's going to screw his future, and that sort of thing. Varon, in The Way Back, that was definitely about the corruption of the system. > The actual presentation was daft, but the general concept - well, look > at the history of the British colonisation of Australia. Convicts were > used, because it was a relatively humanitarian way (by the standards of > the time) of dealing with prison overcrowding, and provided cheap, > disposable labour that didn't have to be provided with decent food or > equipment. Most of the free settlers used convicts as slave labour, and Gerogia was the same...What's different about CA is that there isn't anything already there to fit the convicts into at the time of the first shipment. Sending them off to start their own colony, with the goal of rehabilitation, would require equipment and supplies to begin with...Oh well, the presentation was indeed daft. > yes, the slavery included providing sexual services. Of course. That's the chief, if unacknowledged, perq in any form of slavery. Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:05:12 -0000 From: Duncan To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] Pressure Point & Cygnus Alpha Message-ID: <0B010792B465D1118B2A00A0C949B91C27FF@ENTERPRISE> Content-Type: text/plain Just a thought but last night while watching Pressure Point, after Blake & Gan teleport down to the rendevous location, they end up in the ruins of a church. Gan says he doesnt know what that is and Blake replies with 'a place of religous assembly' and something along the lines of the federation banning and tearing them down hundereds of years ago. But Gan had already been in a place of religous assembly (or church!) on Cygnus Alpha. Maybe that implant was worse than I thought!! I commend it to the house... Cheers, Duncan. Duncan Murray duncan@orioneng.co.uk **Sneer** - Avon, B7 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:35:39 -0800 From: "Adam L. Fuller" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Clinton and Avon Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980126073536.0069be18@POPD.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Reuben wrote: >Boy isn't it fun to kick a man when he's down. I really like the part >about not disagreeing with George Bush and Bob Dole. They agree on a >few issues like budget reform, and now it just politics to score >points. If there has EVER been a President that enjoyed rational >discourse it is Bill Clinton. The town meeting style discussions with >the public, and with opponents, the weekly radio talks (ever listen to >them, very well thought out not just used for scoring points on an >opponent). The man is all about new ideas. No President since FDR has >introduced more reform. It's all an act. He's also a very good actor. I think the problem here is that you are looking at my opinion of Clinton as an attack on him. Certainly, this is no attack. I respect him for his political skills and for being a good, effective president. All I'm saying is that the rational discussion is just another act in the game of politics with him. It's really a shame too, because he is a very intelligent man. It was the same way with Kennedy. Reagan had the desire for power and had a direction, whether we agree or disagree with it, but his problem was that he wasn't one of our more intelligent presidents. Jimmy Carter's problem was that he was all discussion and all intelligence, but had no clear direction or motivation for power or leadership. I don't think we've ever had a president, except for maybe Abraham Lincoln, who was a combination of all the different qualities that go into making a good, intelligent, powerful president. Anyway, sorry for the tangent. Remember, this is still based on Paul Darrow's comparison of Avon with Clinton. I think this is very necessary to get to the bottom of that. -Adam L. Fuller ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:33:18 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re:[B7L] : Harvest of kairos, Average B7age ,etc Message-ID: <34CD395E.3296@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit E van Looy wrote: > Anyway, it is rather a given in a lot of fanfic, that Avon is this efficient > killermachine if he wants to, which always struck me as an odd reputation for > a nerd (which was really what he was, canonically speaking). > Elise eeeerrrm?!? would you like to duck and run now? while you are still in one piece? before the Avonites getcha? Using the term "nerd" to describe "Avon" will get exactly 60 seconds head start. GO!! Jackie (frantically lacing up trainers) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:33:55 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re:[B7L]: Harvest of Kairos, etc, etc, stc Message-ID: <34CD3983.3693@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit E van Looy wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-24 20:39:05 EST, DCsquared wrote: > > << Perhaps he was just alluding to the fact that Clinton is "under attack" > from > all sides, and is in essence "fighting for his life". >> > > Ooh, Clinton standing in the middle of the Oval Office bathed in flashing red > lights surrounded by FBI agents. He raises his gun, smiles and steps forward > to straddle the body of...hmm, maybe we should not go there. > > Elise "I'm not signing this one!" No! No! No! Cut! Cut! it`s: straddles body, raises gun, then smiles! See? it says so in the script! Jackie (the frustrated director) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:17:01 -0800 From: Donna Randall To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] [Fwd: Blake7 art-Need Someone with Java] Message-ID: <34CCD316.DB683EC9@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------795C896CADE7C749A81C2C99" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------795C896CADE7C749A81C2C99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------795C896CADE7C749A81C2C99 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <34CC1446.955FB8BE@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:42:53 -0800 From: Donna Randall X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "space-city@world.std.com" Subject: Blake7 art-Need Someone with Java Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! A while back I proposed adding B7 artwork to my site and recieved strong (rightly so) objections. Artists were afraid of the work being copied. I think I've hit upon a solution, but I need people with Java enabled browsers to test it. I need someone to view the art and TRY to download the pixs. I think I've made them impossible to save but it needs testing. I have a test page on my site that's not connected to anything so if someone is willing to try, post here or email me and I'll send the url. Thanks Donna --------------795C896CADE7C749A81C2C99-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:10:52 -0000 From: "Heather Smith" To: "Blake's 7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Clinton Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elise asked: > << The inclusion of Peter "Prince of Darkness" > Mandelson in the comparison was probably a bit closer to the mark though. >> > > Now that you mention it, who is that? If you are British he is the bane of your life! He is the puppet master behind the so called "new Labour" government. His official title is Minister without Portfolio, but he really should be called "Minister with all the portfolios, and you better believe it mate!" When Mandy says "jump" Blair says "Yes oh master, how high and in what manner?" Heather 'can't think of a clever quote to go here' Smith 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish' -The fourth Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:56:19 -0000 From: "Heather Smith" To: "Blake's 7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Casting the Young Ones in B7 (was "Carry on Blake") Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Wrote: > For Blake try Mike Nah, for AVON try Mike! > For Avon try Vyvian Ignoring the gender, Vyvian has to be Dayna! Heather 'can't think of a clever quote to go here' Smith 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish' -The fourth Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:15:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Still more zine list additions Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Mon 26 Jan, s.thompson8@genie.geis.com wrote: > FORBIDDEN STAR #2 (UK, 1997.12) > [And thank you, Julia-- I don't know how I missed that! Maybe it's > because I wasn't sure whether the date was 1997.12 or 1998.1 and was waiting > for the copy I just ordered to arrive, so I could check it before I listed > it, and then forgot to put it in before I sent this out. Is THE LONG WAY > BACK out yet? It's listed as "forthcoming."] > Yes, it's out. Copyright date of this edition is November '97. Full details on the web page. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:59:02 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Message-ID: <19980126205902.38486@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Jan 26, 1998 at 08:33:46AM +0100, a882ws wrote: > Authenticated sender is > Subject: Monday > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!! > Arrrrrrrrrrrgghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Kathryn runs screaming from the room) So. One way to bring down the Federation, Avon. Just use Orac to flood the Fed. Administration with unending torrents of junk mail. -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:23:00 -0800 From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Clinton, Avon, Nerdishness, etc. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Content-Disposition: inline I have also stopped watching news and reading papers. I have nothing but contempt for Clinton for not being able to keep it in his pants, but frankly I don't care. If Hillary doesn't shoot him, that's her lookout. What grates on me endlessly is that my tax dollars have supported Ken Starr's inquisition until FINALLY, how may years later, he comes up with a really bad one. I defy any politician to survive such a dissection of his life for that length of time. As for the final showdown, I'd almost like to see it, if Bill saved his last shot for a gloating Starr, or even the head of the Republican Party, which, like a stalker deprived of its mistress, has engaged in absurd behavior for years, determined either to have her back (the Presidency), or destroy her. Now, as for Avon being a nerd -- no, no, don't run, that's my slide rule, not my gun! Hey, I love Avon as much as next addict, but I can't deny what he was. The kick for me is in watching him transform himself from a nerd into a flamboyant space pirate with delusions of grandeur, while all the while underneath is that poor, scared nerd who just wants to be safe. And I don't think Avon wants power over others. He just wants the power to be free of following orders, or being subject to threat by others. Or am I unconsciously declaring my own fondest wishes? Never mind. Patti ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:22:36 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton Message-ID: <19980127072236.60083@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 05:26:54PM -0500, E van Looy wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-24 16:11:40 EST, Lisa wrote: > > << I don't see Avon as wanting power at all. *Servalan* wants power. *Avon* > wants to be left the hell alone. Power carries responsibility, and having > to deal with people. Servalan doesn't mind that; Avon does. > > Wanting to escape from being in the power of others doesn't equate to > wanting power over others for yourself. >> > > I don't know. It is true that Avon kept telling everyone he wanted to be left > alone, but he did seem to enjoy the odd powergame himself (notably with > Servalan). And then there was all this bragging about how he could kill people > with one hand tied behind his back, and all that. Now you're going to want > specific examples from the series and I can't really think of one right now. > > Anyway, it is rather a given in a lot of fanfic, that Avon is this efficient > killermachine if he wants to, which always struck me as an odd reputation for > a nerd (which was really what he was, canonically speaking). NO NO NO NO! * Avon does not want power. Duelling verbally with Servalan does not equal wanting power. Avon wants to be left in peace and safety, but he's come to the conclusion that he such a wanted man that winning is the only safety he's going to get. Because otherwise he's simply not going to be left alone. * Avon never brags about how he could kill people with one hand tied behind his back - too right I demand chapter and verse. That isn't to say that Avon isn't good at exuding menace; but he does that so that he *won't* have to kill people. * Avon the efficient killer machine in fanfic. Well, it's bad fanfic, then. *Particularly* "Avon - a Terrible Aspect" which is completely inconsistent with the series, for all it was written by Paul Darrow. Avon was a civilized man. But he's also an intelligent man, very efficient at learning what he needs to learn in order to survive. So, he learned how to use a gun; but I'm pretty sure that before the Liberator he didn't hardly ever touch the things (with the exception of the gun he used to kill the fellow with the visas, but remember Avon was shot himself - he could well have used the fellow's own gun on him, rather than bringing a gun to the meet himself.) The other point is, try to avoid using fanfic as evidence in a debate about a character. Fanfic is someone's interpretation of what was seen on the screen. Fanfic is a source of interpretations, not a source of evidence. * Avon cannonically a nerd? You mean a geek, don't you? Not a nerd. No-one that sexy could be a nerd. (evil grin) Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Mellanby: No, Dayna, no! Will you never understand? We take life only in the last extreme. Dayna: They look fairly extreme to me. (Blake's 7: Aftermath [C01]) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:26:25 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re:[B7L] Pressure Point & Cygnus Alpha Message-ID: <34CD7001.27C1@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Duncan wrote: > > Just a thought but last night while watching Pressure Point, after Blake > & Gan teleport down to the rendevous location, they end up in the ruins > of a church. Gan says he doesnt know what that is and Blake replies > with 'a place of religous assembly' and something along the lines of the > federation banning and tearing them down hundereds of years ago. > > But Gan had already been in a place of religous assembly (or church!) on > Cygnus Alpha. Maybe that implant was worse than I thought!! > > I commend it to the house... You can`t really compare Vargas` organisation with proper religion. With Vargas, you followed him absolutely, or he had you killed. That`s not true religion, that`s a dictatorship. So I suppose it is natural for Gan to be confused. Bye for now Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:26:45 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re[B7L]: New here with a question. reply Message-ID: <34CD7015.3CC5@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don`t know whether you meant to send this to me personally, but I will address my reply to the list. ShilLance wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-21 07:42:53 EST, you write: > > << The Scorpio was too small to live on permenantly, so the crew were > basically planet bound. It was inevitable that eventually they would walk > into a Federation trap of one sort or another. >> > > Of course, they could have played it safe and layed low for awhile. Season > one Avon would have taken this option, especially with no Blake around. > > Shil In the start of series 4, they tried to do just that. In "Rescue", Dorien rescued them from Terminal, which was becoming deadly with all the volcanic/earthquake activity set off by Servalan`s booby trap. "Power" mainly deals with trying to get at Scorpio, otherwise they would have been reduced to "eating nuts and berries" (ie most people need transport to do the shopping). It implies in "Traitor" that they have been laying low for while, and watching the rapid expansion of the federation via Orac. After all it must have taken Servalan some time to rise through the ranks to the position of power that Sleer has. It is sheer bad luck that the Federations` expansion has had Servalan behind it -and that she was actually "out in the field" when Dayna and Tarrant were there. Once Avon knew that Servalan was alive, and that she knew they were alive, they needed something a lot more powerfull than Scorpio`s current spex to keep them alive. From then on they tried to recruit specialists (Animals, Headhunter); improve Scorpio`s performance, and their defence/attack capability (Stardrive, Sand, Games, Orbit, Warlord); as well as survive (Assassin), all this needs funding (Gold). Is it any wonder the luck ran out with "unlucky 13" (Blake)? Bye for now Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:27:17 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re;[B7L]: Honeymoon Message-ID: <34CD7035.E3E@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote: > > David Dangermouse McIntee said about Redemption 99: > "Hmm. This sounds like it might be a fun place for a > honeymoon." > > Shall we put you down for a double room then? One problem, > if you are on honeymoon, how are you going to find the time to > be on a panel? While his new missis is: powdering her nose?, catching her breath?, sleeping?, eating?, watching his panel? on the panel herself? Congrats, by the way. Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:33:38 -0000 From: "Sam" To: "Blakes7" Subject: [B7L] B5 & B7 Message-ID: <01bd2aa2$10f4f740$LocalHost@swhsfzrw> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01BD2AA2.10F4F740" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BD2AA2.10F4F740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PatP said >> Babylon 5 did not learn the lesson and continues to drag on long = after the plotline=20 >> (the Shadow War) ended. Quitting while I'm ahead. Some of my friends have wondered if the guy behind Babylon 5 - J Michael = Straczynski - might not have been involved in role playing games in his = youth. B5 was written with a plot line over several series. Very much = like a referee would plan an long term campaign for a fantasy role = playing game. Remarkably well done. Other writers/producers please take note. Imagine if Blakes 7 had been written in a similar way. What would that = have been like? Sam sam@slade.softnet.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BD2AA2.10F4F740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
PatP said
>> Babylon 5 did not learn the lesson and continues to drag = on long=20 after the plotline
>> (the Shadow War) ended. Quitting while I'm ahead.
 
Some of my friends have wondered if the guy behind Babylon 5 - J = Michael=20 Straczynski - might not have been involved in role playing games in his = youth.=20 B5 was written with a plot line over several series. Very much like a = referee=20 would plan an long term campaign for a fantasy role playing game.
 
Remarkably well done. Other writers/producers please take = note.
 
Imagine if Blakes 7 had been written in a similar way. What would = that have=20 been like?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BD2AA2.10F4F740-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:13:52 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] OH NO it's politics! Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ahhhh! I've stepped into a nightmare! What the heck....Bob Dole, Clinton....are my eyes deceiving me? I thought this was the one place I could escape from the horror of men controlling the government and their unappealing lives. Meaning no disrespect, of course, since PD did mention Bill Clinton, but do I have to read his name in these messages?.....argh..it makes me nauseated.... For my opinion, I don't think PD did put much thought into that response in the first place. I seemed to get the impression he was imparting some light humor. Grace Robbins robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:14:41 -0000 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L]: random thoughts and such from the week. Message-ID: <885852541.2028206.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex said - > 6. Speaking of work... > Can anyone recommend any good science fiction novels? I work at a Barnes > and Nobel and I feel I should try to read some of the less-well-known > authors in that genre (as it's where I work in the bookstore). Once again, > that one can be private e-mail, although I don't think it's too far afield > for the list. I hope people do post on this one because I want to hear what other list members are reading. I must say I love Sf and *hate* all fantasy. I was just talking on the other list about Coelestis by Paul Park. That's obscure and I loved it. John Barnes (not the footie player) is very dark so B7 fans might like him. Incidentally has anyone read 'Mother of Storms' by him. That has a brilliant politician, who is more or less single handedly saving the USA in its darkest hour, but is addicted to horrible paedophile snuff movies. It kind of takes the Clinton thing to its ultimate extent - making the man much better and worse than Clinton. Is it worth the sacrifice of a few girls to save a country of two hundred million - I don't think so, but he certainly dramatises the issue. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:12:20 EST From: Bizarro7@aol.com To: adfuller@IX.NETCOM.COM, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Clinton and Avon Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Let's just drop the Clinton thing. Paul Darrow has been known to compare Avon to characters that had no similiarity to the computer expert, most notably Dirty Harry, and it only serves to emphasize that his concept of the Avon character was different from that of many fans...and possibly the writers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:17:26 -0000 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Casting the Young Ones in B7 (was "Carry on Blake") Message-ID: <885852542.2028213.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blake = Mike 'I've got it all sorted fellas' Neil = Cally 'like, why do I always have to operate the teleporter' Rik = Avon 'honestly, Neil, can't you just grow up' Vyvyan = Servalan 'I am going to hurt you very badly, right now' Unfortunately this leaves my dear Vila as the much abused hamster, Special Patrol Group Alison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:26:00 -0800 From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Cygnus Alpha Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Content-Disposition: inline The worst thing about Vargas is his lack of decent footwear. Or, perhaps, the footwear was required to be of the washable trainer type since Vargas' followers WERE required to kiss feet, unlike Blake's "followers" on the Liberator. I deliberately use quotes in spite of a certain admitted nervousness at the thought of the Blake Police (nearly as dangerous, one hears, as the Tarrant Nostra). I submit that Vila became a "follower" to keep from dying on Cygnus Alpha. Gan has once again lost a woman he loved, and might as well follow Blake as anything. Jenna is "smitten" besides being deeply in love with a ship. And Avon? He doesn't see any viable alternative at the moment. By the time he does, Blake has become too important to him to function properly without him. Back to the topic. Yeah, the time period is irritatingly off, and best ignored. The editing of the fight is absurd. That's very good about Vargas being the Federation in small. As for how they survived, there being no more than 500 people, I always figured the *sacrifices* were eaten. Jenna's bond with Zen was always something I wanted to do a story about. I just never figured out a decent plot. Except I did have this idea that Jenna might have "felt" it when Zen died, which might have contributed to her willingness to sacrifice herself on GP, if that's where she in fact died. Anyhow, if anyone has written this, please let me know, so I can read it. Poor Jenna always seems to be demonized, left out, or marginalized in fanfic. Too bad the writers of the show missed the boat on her and Cally. This entire analysis of Cygnus Alpha was well-thought-out and so useful, I've kept it for future reference. Thanks, Sue! Patti ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:18:05 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Secrets of B/A revealed (many replies combined) Message-ID: In message , NWOutsider writes >On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Julia Jones wrote: > >> Well, I probably could if I went through my notes for the "touching" >> lists I've been doing on Space City (and I apologise to the citizens for > > Some people here might be interested in seeing those lists as >well... Nag the keeper of the Fanfic Resources page. They will eventually show up there, along with the touches other people have noted along the way. Otherwise wait until I've got a reasonably coherent collection, and I'll post them one a day or something. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:28:42 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Cygnus Alpha 1/2 Message-ID: In message , NWOutsider writes >On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Julia Jones wrote: > >> >[Artix] a jaded, cynical young man. >> It's a very nice piece of work. One of the things I like about it is >> that it helps to suggest that many people, including Artix, aren't aware >> of how corrupt the Federation is. > > I don't read it as being about corruption so much as about having >his ambitions and hopes dashed, the loss of a colleague (even if it was >Raiker), disgust with Leylan's wishy-washiness except on sending the >message that's going to screw his future, and that sort of thing. Oh, I liked that as well. It was just that Artix is one of the few "members of the general Earth population" we see, rather than rebels or administration figures, and he doesn't seem to be aware at the start of the voyage that there is a teensyweensy problem with the system of government. > >> The actual presentation was daft, but the general concept - well, look >> at the history of the British colonisation of Australia. Convicts were >> used, because it was a relatively humanitarian way (by the standards of >> the time) of dealing with prison overcrowding, and provided cheap, >> disposable labour that didn't have to be provided with decent food or >> equipment. Most of the free settlers used convicts as slave labour, and > > Gerogia was the same...What's different about CA is that there >isn't anything already there to fit the convicts into at the time of >the first shipment. Sending them off to start their own colony, with >the goal of rehabilitation, would require equipment and supplies to >begin with...Oh well, the presentation was indeed daft. > We really need someone who's done Australian history more recently than I have, but IIRC, they started with a boatload of convicts, soldiers to guard them, and just enough provisions and tools to get them through until next harvest. In theory transportation was an alternative to the death penalty - in practice it was a cheap way to colonise a continent before some other European power did. I was doing the colonisation period in school history classes when I first saw CA - the parallel struck me at the time. Even if the presentation was utterly naff. It's the wonky timeline in the episode that really has me fascinated, and that's not just the question of what B, J and A where doing for four months. > -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:08:46 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Message-ID: <88GfOBA+dRz0EwE1@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <19980126205902.38486@welkin.apana.org.au>, Kathryn Andersen writes >On Mon, Jan 26, 1998 at 08:33:46AM +0100, a882ws wrote: >> Authenticated sender is >> Subject: Monday >> Mime-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!! >> >Arrrrrrrrrrrgghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >(Kathryn runs screaming from the room) > >So. One way to bring down the Federation, Avon. Just use Orac to flood >the Fed. Administration with unending torrents of junk mail. > Bagged for use in the proposed Space City game of Paranoia at Deliverence :-) -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:33:13 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] : Harvest of kairos, Average B7age ,etc Message-ID: In message <34CD395E.3296@termlow.co.uk>, Jackie writes >E van Looy wrote: > >> Anyway, it is rather a given in a lot of fanfic, that Avon is this efficient >> killermachine if he wants to, which always struck me as an odd reputation for >> a nerd (which was really what he was, canonically speaking). >> Elise > >eeeerrrm?!? would you like to duck and run now? while you are still in >one piece? before the Avonites getcha? >Using the term "nerd" to describe "Avon" will get exactly 60 seconds head >start. GO!! > Hmm. He did start as a nerd. Definitely a nerd. He might even have stayed a nerd if he hadn't been played by an actor with ambitions to be Clint Eastwood. I think it took Paul about one and a half episodes to start noticably converting Avon into something slightly different. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #26 *************************************