From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #265 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/265 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 265 Today's Topics: Liberator (was Re: [B7L] Shadow/Weapon tape) Re: Liberator (was Re: [B7L] Shadow/Weapon tape) RE: [B7L] Blake and Avon Re: Liberator (was Re: [B7L] Shadow/Weapon tape) [B7L] Travis (was Re Seven Vices) [B7L] Space Command and the Presidency [B7L] New zine: "Tales from Space City" Re: [B7L] Travis (was Seven Vices) Re: [B7L] re Project Avalon [B7L] Concincidence ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 01:20:20 EDT From: SuzanThoms@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Liberator (was Re: [B7L] Shadow/Weapon tape) Message-ID: <95ebaa45.36297a94@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>Kathryn Andersen writes: >>I think I'd rather have a Tardis, actually. << What's a Tardis???? Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:29:15 +1000 From: "Katrina Harkess" To: Subject: Re: Liberator (was Re: [B7L] Shadow/Weapon tape) Message-Id: <199810180630.QAA10396@extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >>Kathryn Andersen writes: > >>I think I'd rather have a Tardis, actually. << > > What's a Tardis???? > > Suzanne > You don't know what a Tardis is????????? You poor thing! It's from the Sc Fi of all times - Doctor Who. The Doctor has a time machine/space ship that can go anywhere at all in the space-time continum. Any place, any time. TARDIS [it's supposed to be capitalised if I rememebr aright] stands for Time And Relative Dimensions In Space. What else? It is small on the outside and can [technically] change what it looks like to fit in with it's surroundings - via the chameleon circuit. On the Doctors TARDIS however, the chameleom circuit got broken it's stuck in the space of a blue police box. :P Quite funny actually. Inside, however, it is very very big. How big one doesn't know. But exceedingly big. Very useful ship. Lotsa room, can go anywhere, virtually impossible to destroy. :) Watch some Dr Who who you wanna know more. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:11:23 +0100 From: Anne Lane To: "'B7'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Blake and Avon Message-ID: <01BDFA99.14FFF160.aplane@tesco.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Saturday, October 17, 1998 9:05 PM, Suzanne wrote: > >>By killing Blake he rids himself of this responsibility, and > >>if he believes that he has been betrayed his action might be > >>justified. It's entirely subconscious, but he *allows* himself to > >>believe in the betrayal for just long enough to pull the trigger (well, > >>pull it several times). > > I can't believe Avon had been looking for Blake all this time with the > subconscious intent to kill him. Avon would find that harder to live with > than his loyalty and affection for the man. > > Avon desperately wanted to find Blake so he could turn the responsibility of > the rebellion back to him. Avon had feelings about Blake that he didn't want > (not counting slash here) and denied them to himself and everyone else. Avon > NEEDED to know that Blake was safe and back leading the rebellion so he could > go off on his own, lead his own life, continue to deny his feelings -- and > criticize and redicule Blake and his cause to his heart's content. Of course, > > if Blake had lived and become "the hope of the rebellion" again, it's > doubtful > Blake would have let Avon leave, or that Avon would have been able to leave. > Possibly - although I never got the impression that Avon intended to leave once he'd found Blake - more that he saw Blake as a figurehead and himself as the strategist. But I didn't mean that Avon had subconsciously wished to kill Blake all the time he was looking for him, I meant that it happened at the moment he thought he might have been betrayed - a subconscious get-out clause to rid him of just this sort of pain and vulnerability. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:49:48 +0100 From: "Dangermouse" To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: Liberator (was Re: [B7L] Shadow/Weapon tape) Message-Id: <199810181240.NAA01827@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Kathryn Andersen > Skimming over my very very very behind Blake's 7 List mail, I spot: > > On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 08:48:11PM -0700, Joanne MacQueen wrote: > > (who, like Nicola, would dearly love her very own Liberator) > > I think I'd rather have a Tardis, actually. More room. > But the teleport would be mighty useful. I think I'd prefer an Imperial Star Destroyer... Or, more manageably for a single person/small crew, either a Klingon Bird Of Prey, or a Corellian YT-1300 (Millenium Falcon) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:04:47 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Travis (was Re Seven Vices) Message-ID: <199810181104_MC2-5D0E-E3EA@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Deborah Rose wrote: >This makes sense to me. It would explain why >Travis deteriorates the way he does into selling >out the Human race. He reaches a stage where >no price is too much to accomplish his goal. >An interesting parallel to Blake's own growing >obsession with Star One. In the EXCELLENT sort-of-documentary tape about Travis, The Final Act (which incidentally I think is much more rewarding than any of the plays that I've heard released), I seem to remember Chris Boucher saying something about Travis no longer knowing whether it's Blake or humanity he's after - as if they've come to represent the same thing. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:51:32 PDT From: "Rob Clother" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Space Command and the Presidency Message-ID: <19981018155132.12618.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain >But here I disagree. Servalan was deposed by a coup. She didn't >eject herself from the system. It was the fighting at Geddon (how's >that for an obvious name for a cataclysmic fight?) that finished her >as president. She was reported killed there, but obviously got away. While we're on the topic, just how much information is there about the Federation command structure? Before the War, the Federation seemed to be divided into Space Command and the Presidency. Servalan used the crisis to topple the Presidency, and Space Command became the new ruling body. There was a rebellion after the War, which Servalan crushed, and the next thing I'm aware of is the coup and the ensuing purges. Do we find anything out about the new President? Indeed, do we find anything out about the origins of the coup and it's consequences for the Federation and its peoples? -- Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:58:12 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] New zine: "Tales from Space City" Message-ID: "Tales from Space City", a Blake's 7 mixed slash, het and gen zine, will be premiering at Eclecticon 98, available from the Waveney Zines table in the dealers' room. The zine is a collection of material from members of the Space City mailing list. Some of the stories are archived on the Web, but most of the material is not available outside the mailing list, and some is appearing for the first time anywhere. Con price is 10 pounds sterling or US$18. If you are going to the con and would like a copy reserved for you, please let me know within the next couple of days. I have limited suitcase space, and will only take as many copies as I think I can be reasonably certain of selling. The zine has 130 pages of story text, or 106 000+words. Stories range from half a page to nine pages, and from the extremely silly to the serious. Just like the mailing list, in fact. All art by Val Westall, including colour cover and frontispiece, one ink and nine pencil interior illos, all reproduced by digital photocopying. Contents list available by email on request. It will be available by mail order after the con, when I have recovered from jet lag - ie I will start processing orders after 15 Nov 1998. Email me at zineorder@jajones.demon.co.uk for my snailmail address. This zine contains explicit homosexual and heterosexual material, and I require a statement that you are over the age of 18 and understand the nature of the contents. Please do not buy the zine if such material offends you. Postage paid prices for zines ordered directly from me: UK 10 pounds (second class) Europe 11.20 } Zone 1 (US) 13.20 or US$23 } airmail Zone 2 (Aus/NZ) 13.90 } Cheques must be in sterling, drawn on a UK bank. Anything else will incur charges if I try to cash it, and postage if I return it to you, so I will simply rip it up. If I have your email address, I'll tell you what's happened, otherwise you'll have to rely on me being charitable enough to spend my own money to snailmail you. Bear in mind that my hero is Avon :-) I will, for the moment, accept US$ IN CASH ONLY. No cheques - I don't have a US bank account, and my UK bank will charge me pretty much the value of the cheque to cash it. Judith Proctor has agreed to agent the zine, so the usual arrangements for Australians wishing to order through Pat Fenech will apply, ditto Americans wishing to order through one of the US agents. Check the website at http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 for agented prices and ordering details (but give Richard a chance to update the webpage first, the information won't be there yet as I've only just told Judith what the final pricing was). Nobody other than Judith and her overseas agents has permission to sell this zine. Nobody has permission to sell it in anything other than A4 paper size. Legitimate copies are individually numbered in metallic ink. Please don't support pirates - like other zine publishers, if I can't sell enough copies to cover the costs I've incurred in publishing and printing it because some swine is selling ripped off second-generation copies, I won't be able to do any more zines. If you see a pirated zine, I'd appreciate knowing about it, as would the various publishers who've had material stolen. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:09:57 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "Lysator List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis (was Seven Vices) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me, Judith > > Servalan .. by > > constantly struggling against rebellion, she actually ejects herself from > > the system and becomes a rebel herself. There is also another aspect - that > > Servalan hated rebellion because some part of her was naturally an outlaw > > to begin with. > > But here I disagree. Servalan was deposed by a coup. She didn't eject herself > from the system. It was the fighting at Geddon (how's that for an obvious name > for a cataclysmic fight?) that finished her as president. She was reported > killed there, but obviously got away. Yes, I see your point. I guess what I was talking about wasn't the actual incident itself. More the general slide in Servalan's fortunes and character. When I say she 'ejected herself' I meant that what happened to her wasn't just bad luck, it was partly because of the flaws in her character. An example of me trying to be concise and just being obscure. To me it's particularly interesting because I think it is a common pattern - a policeman becomes so fanatical in his pursuit of crime that he starts to bend the law himself. An animal right activist becomes so reckless that she ends up endangering animals. Just that kind of irony. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:54:53 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re Project Avalon Message-ID: <3628231D.51F6@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jackie wrote: re: The Avalon clone's missing tunic: > Yaaay!! The crew played *dressing up*!! One person played prisoner, the > other played nasty guard. Jenna and Cally strike me as wanting to play > *the nasty guard* ... so who would that leave to wear the scimpy prison > robe???? > oooops!!! so sorry!! All the heroes HERE are Tall, Strong, Straight and > True. They`re only kinky on the other list!! hahahahahahahaha ':-D With Halloween coming up, I propose another list game: What costume would each crew member choose from Liberator's "clothes room" to wear out trick 'n treating at Freedom City? Blake: Robin Hood Jenna: Fairy Princess Avon: Count Dracula Cally: alien "grey" Vila: Roman Senator in toga with laurel leaves (and golden wine goblet) (and slave girls) Dayna: Atilla the Hun with long spear and sharp sword Tarrant: The bold pirate in crimson, Captain Blood Soolin: Heidi in pigtails - no! no! I mean the evil druid Queen Morgan la Fey Travis: Adolf Hitler Servalan: '20s Flapper (all that silky, sexy fringe) (and secret passwords to the SpeakEasy) Pat P: Puss in Boots, of course! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:46:44 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Concincidence Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII We had a Redemption committee meeting at the Ashford hotel this afternoon, got most of the hotel booking forms and progress reports into envelopes and ready to post. Most of them are in the post, but a few will be a little later as they need extra bits in the envelopes. By an interesting coincidence, the girl on reception was called Dayna. She said her mother had been a Blake's 7 fan! Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #265 **************************************