From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #280 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/280 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 280 Today's Topics: [B7L] Closed loops [B7L] Re:religion debate [B7L] B7 characters and sermons Re: [B7L] religion in the B7 universe Re: [B7L] Technophilia [B7L] Manipulation [B7L] Re Religion Re: [B7L] Bibliophagy (?) and enlightenment [B7L] ADMIN: List stoppage ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 16:24:38 PST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Closed loops Message-ID: <19981106002439.4736.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Leah quoted: >"Hellenized name (Greek pronounciation) of the Middle Eastern >archaic god Tammuz, traditional Dying Savior of the jerusalem cult >(Ezekiel 8:14), whose rites were supplanted by those of Jesus. >Tammuz then became Doubting Thomas, challenging Jesus's claim >to authentic apotheosis and resurrection in the flesh. He refused to >believe in his rival's return from death until he had probed his >wounds. Then, Thomas/Tammuz announced his acceptance of >Jesus as "my Lord and my God" (John 20:20)--or so the Gospel >would have it. ...And that takes us back, practically, to the beginning of the discussion - assimilation of religious beliefs. Leah's probably right - time to stop, or we'll have one of those time loops going, a la Doctor Who or Red Dwarf. It doesn't seem to have been something that affected Blake's 7, however, unless you count the timewarp factor in watching people in flared trousers. Sartorially, things started looking much better when Avon and others started wearing boots instead of shoes Though I wish Jenna had tucked those flares into her boots, when she changed into new clothing for the first time on the Liberator. On second thoughts, boots like those wouldn't leave much room for leg with flares that wide! Regards Joanne I *know* I could be really good if I had a private loch and bog away from the other hermits' cells. Colman and his bloody bells disrupt my praying. I can see his candles burn across the bay more hours than mine. It drives me wild, so crowded are these blessed isles with would-be saints who all deny the flesh in more outrageous ways. I want to be indifferent as stone. I demand to be holy all on my own. --Gwyneth Lewis, "Hermits". (PS I subjected you to the whole poem because it sounds a bit like dear old Avon, really - the supposed preference for his own company, and the reluctance to think himself anyone's inferior. Any comments?) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:15:57 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re:religion debate Message-ID: <364231AC.57FD46F9@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't jumped in on this yet (mainly cos I'm a bit busy) but it is getting confusing cos some of it has moved to the spin list and some is still hanging about here. Can I ask that anything not directly related to B7 goes to the spin list so we can have a good row without upsetting the rest of the bods. -- cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:52:48 EST From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] B7 characters and sermons Message-ID: <8024c97e.36424860@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A little while ago, Joanne posted some thoughts on how certain characters would react to a sermon, but she left a few people out. Here's my idea of how they would react. Tarrant would probably be doing his military best not to fidget during a sermon, especially a long one, and Dayna would BE fidgeting before it was over, unless they were genuinely intrigued by what the preacher had to say (unlikely, though) :-) Jenna probably wouldn't have set foot in a church in the first place. Gan would probably listen with attention, whether or not he agreed; he struck me as being very polite in that sense. Orac would probably consider it a waste of his valuable time. Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 21:50:20 -0600 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] religion in the B7 universe Message-Id: <199811060350.VAA01171@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Pat Patera wrote: >Would any judge or citizen care one whit whether those "hangers on" >*believed* in the James brothers professed desire to give the bank gold to >poor widows? Where on earth does the idea come from that the James brothers had any professed desire to give bank gold to poor widows? - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:09:10 +1000 From: "Taina Nieminen" To: "B7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Technophilia Message-ID: <004801be0957$1c26eb70$6f6f6f6f@tenzil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I guess that they do it because they are professionals. Otherwise they >would be called "Clone Undergraduates". :) > >}<("> Todd Girdler <")>{ If they were Clone Undergraduates, they could have Clone toga parties with Julius Caesar as a guest of honour. Taina =========================== Is there a mind/body problem? And if so, which is it better to have? - Woody Allen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 02:22:18 PST From: "Rob Clother" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Manipulation Message-ID: <19981106102218.2745.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Taina: >And I believe that he is manipulating them with his video recording >in Trial (maybe it's the Avon in me). But I think the latter is a >matter of perception, and I may well be more cynical than most >people. Well, certainly he was manipulating his crew with his video recording. That's Blake, you see. Manipulating people is what he's good at. Manipulating people is what he *does*. All the time. Was he sincere, though? Sure, he was sincere. He gave the crew every chance to turn around and get their tails out of there. That's why his manipulation was so expertly done: it *had* to be, because his life depended on it. -- Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 06:02:48 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re Religion Message-ID: <199811060603_MC2-5F4C-C78C@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John Werry said about Avon: >once the Prophet (profit???) has departed ... he still >believes and acts albeit cynically ((which one of the > disciples was a former tax collector???). Matthew. aka Levi. >To me - Gan is the most "buddhist" - "action without question" Hey, that was what David Jackson said at Deliverance, wasn't it? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:14:38 -0000 From: "Julie Horner" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Bibliophagy (?) and enlightenment Message-ID: <000001be09ca$b0159200$8d5095c1@orac> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Julia Jones > >Totally off-topic, I know - but I *have* seen a bible small enough to >swallow whole. I haven't seen it since I was a wee small thing, so this >is from memory, but roughly an inch high, semi-hardback >Some sort >of novelty item, possibly late Victorian? Now I think about it, it was >the sort of expensive trinket you might find in an expensive set of >Christmas crackers. I think I saw one like this once in a gift shop at Flamborough Head. Julie Horner ------------------------------ Date: 09 Nov 1998 10:02:13 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] ADMIN: List stoppage Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII The list has been silent for a while, because of Lysator's mail server feeling sickly. It seems to be feeling better now. -- Calle Dybedahl, qdtcall@esavionics.se, http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ "I think quotes are very dangerous things." -- KaTe Bush -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #280 **************************************