From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #309 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/309 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 309 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co. [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us... [B7L]Re:Travis has three faces Re: [B7L]Re:Travis has three faces Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co. Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co. Re: [B7L] Avon the genius? Re: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us... [B7L] Re: Gotcha [B7L] Re: Gotcha Re: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us... [B7L] Blake's 7 Survey Site Re: [B7L] Re: Gotcha Re: [B7L] Re: Travis has three faces [B7L] Attention Blake Fans Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co. Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:48:42 PST From: "Penny Dreadful" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co. Message-ID: <19981215084843.11679.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain >Bugger it, can't think of one for Zen. Anyone got a dictionary? > >-- Rob Having read the Z's end to end in mine I see a trend of z-adjectives tending to express...well, "zany","zesty","zealous"...energy and enthusiasm, which do not equate in my mind with Zen. Zaftig? Mmm, no. "Zero-Zeal Zen" is the best I can do. -Penny "The Kind Of Person Who Reads The Dictionary For Fun" Dreadful ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:33:16 PST From: "Penny Dreadful" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us... Message-ID: <19981215093317.9866.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Judith sez: >As far as studying character goes, what does 'Duel' tell us about Travis? ["Hi-Lites" horrible illustration: Blake dialoguing sincerely with Giroc and Sinofar on Planet Krispikrunch while Travis fumes and tries stamping his foot]: Goofus mouths off to the omnipotent alien ghosts. Gallant tries to open a line of communication with the omnipotent alien ghosts. [illustration: B & T up their respective trees with their respective gal-pals]: Goofus enjoys picking on his underling. Gallant treats his underling with consideration. [illustrations: self-explanatory] Goofus takes unfair advantage of his opponent's externally-induced disorientation. Gallant spares his opponent, even though he's beaten him fair and square. In conclusion, 'Duel' teaches us that Travis is a bad man. And reminds me how much I always hated that smarmy little Gallant. Even at the age of eight I'm sure I could extrapolate his Brett Easton Ellis future. -Penny "Die, Roadrunner, Die!" Dreadful ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:10:54 -0000 From: "Julie Horner" To: Subject: [B7L]Re:Travis has three faces Message-ID: <01be2834$ba58ba20$170201c0@pc23.Fishnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith said: >There's an interesting comment in 'Weapon' where Travis refers to his visits to >the 'retraining therapist'. What's that about? Did it involve some kind of >mental manipulation. On days when I'm treating the two Travisis as separate >individuals (which I do occasionally for purposes of writing a story) then I >assume that the 'retraining' was to make the second man believe that he >was the >first as this is the first episode in which Brian Croucher appears. The first >Travis became unstable or died in a fight or accident (or Servalan had him >killed). Brain prints are a given technology in Blake's 7, as is memory >adjustment, so it woud not be impossible to create a second Travis. The fact >that Servalan used the first Blake clone to test Travis is also indicative. Why >test unless you have a reason to? And what was the involvement of the >clonemasters? Did they create the second Travis as well as the Blake clones? That is a really interesting theory but surely if the clonemasters had created the second Travis they would have made him look like the first (after all they managed that with Blake) Also how would one explain the fact that other characters knew that it was Travis? ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 1998 15:23:16 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: Subject: Re: [B7L]Re:Travis has three faces Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII "Julie Horner" writes: > That is a really interesting theory but surely if the clonemasters > had created the second Travis they would have made him look like the first Servalan ordered the new Travis. From _Seek, Locate, Destroy_: TRAVIS: [Chuckles] What are you suggesting, cosmetic surgery? I'm a field officer, not one of your decorative staff men. SERVALAN: You're certainly not decorative. TRAVIS: You find it repulsive? SERVALAN: I find it ... unpleasing. -- Calle Dybedahl, qdtcall@esavionics.se, http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:51:10 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co. Message-ID: <3676937E.19EF@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Penny Dreadful wrote: > "Zero-Zeal Zen" is the best I can do. ha ha he ho I can see Zen and Marvin (the robot from the Douglas Adams books) having what they consider a scintiallting conversation. It would read like Waiting for Godot. I'm passing out from the boredom of it all right now! Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:50:35 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co. Message-ID: <19981215225035.20831@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Of course, what this Subject made me think of, when I first saw it lined up in my mailbox was, exactly, _breakfast with Blake and Co_. So, what do you think each of the characters would eat for breakfast? * Avon's probably a coffee person. * Cally, naturally, would have a special museli blend that she makes herself, and fresh fruit when she can get it. * Vila probably has one of those nauseatingly sweet and brightly-coloured cereals which comes with a free toy. Either Fruit Loops or one of those numerous US cereals that you can't get over here. * Gan would be an eggs-and-bacon-on-toast sort of person. Any more ideas? -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:04:55 EST From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon the genius? Message-ID: <5dd51d48.3676b2d7@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Deborah, I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm willing to concede that Avon was a very smart man and that he was very good in his areas of expertise, but despite all the persuasive arguments that have been presented, I still wouldn't call him a genius. This list would be boring if everyone agreed on everything. :-) Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:20:47 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us... Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 15 Dec, Penny Dreadful wrote: > In conclusion, 'Duel' teaches us that Travis is a bad man. And reminds > me how much I always hated that smarmy little Gallant. Even at the age > of eight I'm sure I could extrapolate his Brett Easton Ellis future. I think I get rather different things from the episode. It's a little bit more subtle than the very obvious good guy/bad guy things you can draw from it. For instance, Giroc is fascinated by Travis and there's a slight degree of chemistry between Sinofer and Blake. What causes the attraction in each case? Why were Sinnofer and Giroc chosen as representatives of their race? Does Blake refuse to kill Travis because he's the 'good bloke' or because he doesn't want to provide free entertainment for Giroc? I always saw a little bit of the latter in his actions, though some of his motivation was undoubtedly a desire to avoid murder. Why is Travis so interested in Keera? Is it simply that he's bored and wants to pass the time? Is he feeling his own mortality and wanting something capable of humanity to talk to? Or did he know her before she became a mutoid? (That's a very easy conclusion to draw from what he says) The second option is the one I feel is the most likely. Travis is human and even he (with his normal preference for working with mutoids) wants real company on occasion. We're seeing more than ethics in the combat scenes, we're also seeing training. Travis was trained to fight. In a combat situation, you don't hesitate, if your opponent is vulnerable, you go for him. Blake was a civilian and a former member of a party that tried to promote freedom, democracy, etc. That tends to give you a handicap until you get used to being a terrorist - which Blake eventually did. (Please let's not get into arguments of just what a terrorist is - save that one for another day - it tends to do the rounds about once a year in any case) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:09:26 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se CC: Dangermouse Subject: [B7L] Re: Gotcha Message-ID: <3676EC23.8306971F@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Meredith said: "I just saw Dangermouse's rejoinder to Calle -- that the Internet snowball he sent was "not a chain letter." It most certainly *is* a chain letter; I've seen those confounded snowballs all over the net, and I'm glad Calle spoke up in response. I didn't find the "Internet snowball fight" particularly funny the first time -- several weeks ago, by the way -- that I received a posting, and the joke definitely hasn't improved with age." I found it quite amusing and forwarded it to a number of friends. I think you are being seriously over sensitive here. David, I'm sure, posted this just to add a little festive cheer, which is the way I took it. I hope David doesn't (or hasn't) leave the list; that would be a shame. But if he has the real shame is that people for some reason think is their role to attack people for having a laugh. If you want to drive people out of fandom you are going the right way about it. -- cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:14:36 -0000 From: "Dangermouse" To: , Subject: [B7L] Re: Gotcha Message-Id: <199812160045.AAA23092@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Steve Rogerson > I hope David doesn't (or hasn't) leave the list; that would be a > shame. Well, I tried, but even though I sent the unsubscribe message the same way I do when I'm going away for a while, I got a message saying I'd done it wrong... Oh, and Clive James' SF edition with Jackie pearce is on Monday 21st. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:18:59 PST From: "Penny Dreadful" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us... Message-ID: <19981216011859.18207.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Judith, the voice of reason, said: >It's a little bit more >subtle than the very obvious good guy/bad guy things you can draw from it. I like 'Duel'. It's grown on me over the years (All those coloured lights still make me queasy, though). The Goofus & Gallant analogy is a flashback to the first time I saw it. >Why is Travis so interested in Keera? I always saw that as a seriously inept come-on. A hostile, half-hearted pick-up line. It's in keeping with my diagnosis of Travis' personality disorder (I'm not a psychologist, but I *do* have a second-hand copy of the "DSM-III-R Training Guide"). And I think after being "rejected" by the poor thing his pointless refusal to let her drink Jenna's blood is subconscious revenge. >Travis was trained to fight. In a combat situation, you don't hesitate, if your >opponent is vulnerable, you go for him. That's a good point - hadn't occurred to me. Although frequently Travis does pause to make a little premature victory speech before (not) killing Blake. -Penny "Tell Me About Your Childhood..." Dreadful ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:03:53 EST From: BugEyes1@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Blake's 7 Survey Site Message-ID: <25d9ad8f.367706f9@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I stumbled across this site and thought I would share it with everyone. The address is http://www.swd.net.au/cgi-bin/geos/episodes.cgi/index/bl7. It is a survey site where you can rate all the episodes of Blake's 7 along with alot of other sci-fi shows. Hannah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:43:43 -0600 From: "Lorna B." To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Gotcha Message-Id: <199812160335.VAA06951@pemberton.magnolia.net> Meredith said >I didn't find the "Internet >snowball fight" particularly funny the first time -- several weeks ago, >by the way -- that I received a posting, and the joke definitely hasn't >improved with age." Steve R. said: >I found it quite amusing and forwarded it to a number of friends. I >think you are being seriously over sensitive here. David, I'm sure, >posted this just to add a little festive cheer, which is the way I took >it. I hope David doesn't (or hasn't) leave the list; that would be a >shame. But if he has the real shame is that people for some reason think >is their role to attack people for having a laugh. If you want to drive >people out of fandom you are going the right way about it. FWIW, I get sick of the blasted things too, and also consider them a type of spam. After receiving multiple copies of the same over several lists, I'm sure a lot of recipients find their tempers getting rather short. Calle handled it appropriately and diplomatically. Thanks, Calle. Lorna B. "Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:32:20 -0500 From: "Kimberly D. Ashford" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Travis has three faces Message-ID: <0361d16350510c8UPIMSSMTPUSR05@email.msn.com> >>(lots of stuff snipped) On days when I'm treating the two Travisis as separate >individuals (which I do occasionally for purposes of writing a story) then I >assume that the 'retraining' was to make the second man believe that he was the >first as this is the first episode in which Brian Croucher appears This is the premise of a story I'm writing, by the way... Kim PS: Travis also has three limbs. :) ----- Visit the Starbucket website at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/5508/stories.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 98 05:24:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.com To: space-city%world.std.com%inet02#@genie.com Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Attention Blake Fans Message-Id: <199812160541.FAA26106@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just found a note to myself regarding something I meant to post just after Eclecticon, but forgot about. Anyway, here it is at last: Marion McChesney has for sale a beautiful Suzan Lovett color original that was the cover artwork for =Powerplay= #2. It's a full-color allegorical fantasy showing Blake as an armored knight on horseback fighting the dragon of the Federation. She is willing to sell it for what she paid for it, namely U.S. $300 (plus whatever it costs to pack it safely and ship it to the buyer). IMO Suzan is absolutely the best fan artist when it comes to likenesses of Blake. If you're interested, e-mail Marion for details at: napasha@aol.com (Can we guess what fandom she's into these days?!) Sarah T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:56:19 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co. Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 15 Dec, Kathryn Andersen wrote: > Of course, what this Subject made me think of, when I first saw it > lined up in my mailbox was, exactly, _breakfast with Blake and Co_. > So, what do you think each of the characters would eat for breakfast? Travis - Blake's guts Cally - croissant and coffee (because she's an alien and a continental breakfast is still 'alien' to Brits ) Vila - definitely the bright cereal/confectionary with free plastic spaceman etc. Blake - my husband votes for porridge (because he was stirring...). Jenna - on a diet. Grapefruit and yoghurt. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:09:15 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co. Message-ID: <19981216220915.05673@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -----Forwarded message from Tigerm1019@aol.com----- In a message dated 98-12-15 14:21:31 EST, Kathryn wrote: << So, what do you think each of the characters would eat for breakfast? >> *Tarrant and Dayna both strike me as the pancakes or toast, fruit, eggs and coffee or tea type people. *Soolin doesn't eat breakfast. *When Jenna eats breakfast, it's probably toast, fruit and coffee, if that much. *Blake probably eats oatmeal or cereal and juice and coffee. Tiger M -----End of forwarded message----- -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #309 **************************************