From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #314 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/314 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 314 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] UNCUT Re: [B7L] UNCUT [B7L] Re: Christmas Re: [B7L] 'Duel'... [B7L] Redemption Re: [B7L] 'Duel'... Re: [B7L] UNCUT Re: [B7L] UNCUT [B7L] Clive James on TV [B7L] Re: Clive James on TV [B7L] Clive Jqmes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:25:04 +1000 From: "Taina Nieminen" To: "B7" Subject: Re: [B7L] UNCUT Message-ID: <001001be2cbb$6ae2af60$6f6f6f6f@tenzil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Looking at mt collection of Blakes 7 vidos, I see that a most of the >videos say "Contains 2 complete unedited episodes". Can anyone tell me >exactly which episodes in the series have been edited and what exactly >has been removed from them? > >Chris. Some videos were released with three episodes on each tape, edited to fit three episodes into two hours. Taina =========================== Is there a mind/body problem? And if so, which is it better to have? - Woody Allen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:39:02 -0000 From: "Dangermouse" To: "Julia Jones" , Subject: Re: [B7L] UNCUT Message-Id: <199812211050.KAA20854@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Julia Jones > The tape of Rescue is allegedly uncut, but in fact is different to the > broadcast version. Yeah, but it's an alternate version rather than strictly an edited one, so that's why they can call it uncut. I wonder if the rerelease will be the broadcast version? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:25:41 GMT From: mjsmith@tcd.ie (Murray ) To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Christmas Message-Id: <199812211325.NAA19224@dux1.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To all my fellow Space Citizens, Due to Christmas preparations and Christmas itself, I will be 'offline' as regards my email; so I would like to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Yours, Murray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:12:33 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Duel'... Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon 21 Dec, Penny Dreadful wrote: > >I never thought Servalan surprised him that much. They recognised > >one another's ruthless streak. > > Yes, but his ruthlessness is generally of the neat-and-tidy kind, > efficiency. Like (arguably) a machine (I swear I will at some future > point construct a coherent and seamless argument vis a vis Travis's > machineliness). Servalan's desires, and her schemes, are murkier, much > more complex. So he identifies with her ruthlessness, but this doesn't > mean he can predict her behaviour. That's true. Her scheming is more complicated than his. I think Travis was a straightforward man in that respect at least. I think he would look for a direct solution to a problem. Having said that, was it him or Servalan who came up with the virus idea in 'Project Avalon'? I got the impression that the scheme was Travis's. > >I think Travis lost his ability to read Servalan as time went by. He became > >more fanatic and inward looking and she respected him less. > > She bent and bashed her toy until it broke, and then it wasn't fun to > play with any more. How seasonally apropos. Yes, she strained him further and further. She took his loyalty to the system and bent it further and further as he became more and more aware of how much she sought her own power. 'Orac' is a classic example where Servalan was actually trying to defraud the Federation. Then there were the occasions where Travis could have killed Blake if Servalan hadn't prevented him because of the danger to her own life. I think Travis disapproved of her for that, but loyalty to the chain of command was deeply ingrained into him. Do you think Travis would have held his own life in such high regard? I think he would have been willing to die to kill Blake (he was certainly willing to do it in 'Gambit'.) Would he have been willing to die if he thought his death would serve the Federation as a whole? (I'm talking about season 1 Travis here, before his loyalties became stretched to breaking point) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:11:57 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Space City Subject: [B7L] Redemption Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII We lost Blake. We gained Travis! Brian Croucher will be coming to Redemption. He'll be there for all three days (work permitting, of course). We're looking into the possibility of getting Stephen Greif for a day as well, but nothing is confirmed there yet. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:29:44 EST From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Duel'... Message-ID: <5e1892aa.367ea1a8@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-12-21 13:36:32 EST, Judith wrote: << Do you think Travis would have held his own life in such high regard? I think he would have been willing to die to kill Blake (he was certainly willing to do it in 'Gambit'.) Would he have been willing to die if he thought his death would serve the Federation as a whole? (I'm talking about season 1 Travis here, before his loyalties became stretched to breaking point) >> I think the first season Travis would have sacrificed his life if he thought it would benefit the Federation. I also think he was willing to sacrifice others lives as well and became more and more ticked at Servalan because her motives were so often selfish. Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:19:31 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] UNCUT Message-ID: In message <199812211050.KAA20854@gnasher.sol.co.uk>, Dangermouse writes >> From: Julia Jones >> The tape of Rescue is allegedly uncut, but in fact is different to the >> broadcast version. > >Yeah, but it's an alternate version rather than strictly an edited one, so >that's why they can call it uncut. I'd call removing two significant scenes cutting rather than an alternative version. All right, so the scenes in question are about two seconds long, but they're important in temrs of character development. > >I wonder if the rerelease will be the broadcast version? > Fat bloody chance. -- Julia Jones ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:40:58 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] UNCUT Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon 21 Dec, Taina Nieminen wrote: > >Looking at mt collection of Blakes 7 vidos, I see that a most of the > >videos say "Contains 2 complete unedited episodes". Can anyone tell me > >exactly which episodes in the series have been edited and what exactly > >has been removed from them? > > > >Chris. > > > Some videos were released with three episodes on each tape, edited to fit > three episodes into two hours. Those were the infamous compilation tapes which are thankfully no longer available. As far as I know, the slight edit to the fight scene in Spacefall (I think they took out a shot of Avon clapping his hands over someone's ears) and the editing changes to 'Rescue' are the only changes to the tapes. Has anyone thought of writing to Fabulous Films and asking them to use the aired version of 'Rescue' when they get to that stage in the releases? Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:12:00 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" , Space City Subject: [B7L] Clive James on TV Message-ID: <199812211912_MC2-646A-8879@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, that wasn't as bad as it might have been. We saw Sally. We saw Jackie. We didn't see Brian the Snail (maybe Clive James decided Jarvik was an even sillier monster). He wasn't nearly as rude about Blake's 7 as he was on paper in 1980. And we got several seconds of Moonbase Three! I want more! The Dalek man was quite nice, too. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:00:08 PST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Clive James on TV Message-ID: <19981222010009.770.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Harriet said: > We didn't see Brian the Snail Definitely need an explanation here. Seeing as you mentioned Jarvik, could it be that the reference is to the kairopan gobbler in "Harvest of Kairos"? (ARGH! Great gaps in my B7 education are showing!) >He wasn't nearly as rude about Blake's 7 as he was on paper in >1980. Maybe he's a little less enamoured of "Star Trek" these days - one of his reviews suggested that series was his preferred choice of trashy television. Then again, I have the strong impression that all science fiction on television came under the heading of "trashy television", so far as he was concerned while reviewing television. Regards Joanne It's biliousness as usual in my corner of the kitchen --The Whitlams, "You Sound Like Louis Burdett" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:53:04 -0000 From: "Taylor, Steve [CCS]" To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] Clive Jqmes Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Well - what a lot of publicity - and a fair few cheap shots. Sally and Jacqueline in full flow - criticising the development of Jenna (agreed) and Servalan's costumes (Shirley Bassey - JP). Still - not that bad - and I actually liked the 'clow fighting' concept. SteveT who unsubed yesterday for the hols but had to come back for this Some interesting comments on Dr Who as well -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #314 **************************************