From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #315 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/315 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 315 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Redemption Re: [B7L] Clive James on TV [B7L] Babylon 5 in the UK [B7L] Free time again Re: [B7L] 'Duel'... [B7L] X Post Christmas [B7L] More on Free time [B7L] Travis and Servalan (was "Duel") [B7L] Re: Uncut [B7L] Re: Clive James on TV [B7L] T.'s Offer to S. in 'The Keeper' Re: [B7L] Free time again ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:15:21 -0000 From: "Dangermouse" To: "Judith Proctor" , "Lysator List" Cc: "Space City" Subject: Re: [B7L] Redemption Message-Id: <199812221047.KAA12763@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Judith Proctor > Brian Croucher will be coming to Redemption. He'll be there for all three days > (work permitting, of course). And that's supposed to be a good thing? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:12:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Clive James on TV Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Harriet said: >And we got several seconds of Moonbase Three! I want more! 'Moonbase 3' is cool. Not as good as 'Star Cops', and you need to watch it in 20 minute chunks so that you don't nod off (as the clip might have suggested to you!) but I really like it. Weirdly, the commander of the base has the character name 'David Calder' and, of course, that's the name of the actor who plays the commander of the Moonbase in 'Star Cops'... Spooky... I thought the clip from 'Doomwatch' was really hilarious, as well. Una -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Napoleon is on board a British ship, looking very depressed. One sailor is saying to the other "The poor sod think he's being exiled to St Helens." -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:21:11 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" , Space City Subject: [B7L] Babylon 5 in the UK Message-ID: <199812221021_MC2-646D-5AC3@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit By the way, I suppose most British B5 fans have already heard this, but I don't think I've seen it here: the final five episodes of season five are supposed to be broadcast on Channel 4 at 11.30 a.m. (yes, late morning) from Monday, December 28 to Friday, January 1. Then they do them again on Sundays at something like midnight from January 3 to January 31. I haven't got a TV guide for that far ahead yet, but I imagine they mean Sunday as in early hours of Monday, where they've been running season one recently. (We interrupt season one to bring you the end of the whole thing.) Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:25:29 EST From: Mac4781@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Free time again Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think I have holiday preparations under control... ... so it's back to fannish business. Judith wrote: > And a second oak leaf goes to Carol McCoy for the following intelligent > observation - I'm deeply honored. It's just a pity that Gan needs defending. As B7 characters go, I'd choose him as my leader over all of the rest. Jo Ann brilliantly observed: > Tarrant and Dayna saved their supplies of patience for > situations where it was most needed. That's so true. For all of his reckless impetuosity, Tarrant could be cool, calm and collected when the situation required it. I loved how he handled the questions about Orac in DAWN. And additional brilliant Tarrant observations from Tiger M: > A while back, there was a thread about the kairopan stunt in "Harvest of > Kairos" and several people claimed that it was merely piracy. I agree that > it > was piracy, but I think there was more to it than that. By stealing the > kairopan, Tarrant and the Liberator crew would have been hitting the > Federation in a place where it would really hurt: the bank balance. It > takes > money to run a government, and from the looks of things, the Federation was > pretty shaky at that point. The loss of several billion credits worth of a > valuable resource would have had to hurt. Also, the scam almost worked. If > Tarrant had not been up against an opponent who knew him very well (his > former > commanding officer), it probably would have. What clever reasoning. I can believe that he had hurting the Federation as part of his motivation for going after the kairopan, and I can even understand why he didn't share that thought with his shipmates. He really didn't have any reason to believe they were dedicated revolutionaries at the time. Look at VOLCANO. It was Tarrant and Dayna who went to Obsidian to try to gain allies and a base to aid the fight against the Federation. Tarrant could very well have reasoned that the promise of a fortune was a better way to gain his shipmates' cooperation than a proposal to fight the Federation. As Tarrant noted in POWERPLAY, "Greed makes for efficient troopers." So why not think that greed would also make for efficient shipmates. Great thinking, Tiger M. Susan M. wrote about breakfast: > Vila: Beer and twinkies > > Vargas: The scenery ROFL! I love those. BTW, my Liberator spy swears that Tarrant eats cold pizza for breakfast (Vila's dinner leftovers as a matter of fact). Which I can well believe. Tarrant doesn't have the body of a glutton, sweet tooth or gourmand. He has the body of someone who grabs what is at the front of the fridge and doesn't think too much about what he's consuming. It was also Susan M. who asked: > Every time I hear "Learning to Fly" by Pink Floyd, I think about Tarrant. Does > anyone know if someone's done a vid for it? Not that I know of (and I hope I've not missed it if one exists ). The lyrics are wonderful for Tarrant. I could be tempted to give it a try myself but I'm fearful that Pink Floyd isn't my type of music. I'll have to research the matter. I've very much enjoyed the discussion of Travis, but I can't immediately think of anything to add. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:50:12 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Duel'... Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon 21 Dec, Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote: > I think the first season Travis would have sacrificed his life if he thought > it would benefit the Federation. I also think he was willing to sacrifice > others lives as well and became more and more ticked at Servalan because her > motives were so often selfish. That's about my reading of him. He's the dedicated soldier. I agree he was willing to sacrifice others lives, though I don't think he was careless in that respect. Par said (in 'Trail') that Travis didn't waste men's lives. He was less careful as time passed though. Throwing the grenade that brought the roof down in 'Pressure Point' was careless. The odd thing about Servalan is that although she was often very self-centered ("You hesitated. My life was in danger and you hesitated."), she actually failed to accept Travis's offer in 'The Keeper'. He offered her the chance to control Star one and the Federation and she turned him down. I'm forced to conclude that Servalan did have some loyalty to the Federation. Why did Travis make her the offer? Why did she turn him down? Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:01:05 -0800 From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com (Penny L Kjelgaard) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] X Post Christmas Message-ID: <19981222.140234.-883445.0.penny_kjelgaard@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Avon, Avon, What a guy! Kissed the girls and made them die. Hark ye! Heed this tale of woe, Don't hang up your mistletoe. Merry Christmas to you all! Peace, Penny ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:44:46 PST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] More on Free time Message-ID: <19981222224448.27716.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Carol sayeth: > It's just a pity that Gan needs defending. As B7 >characters go, I'd choose him as my leader over all of the rest. Nice thought. Brilliant he may not be, but the sort of leadership he showed in "Cygnus Alpha" suggests he was very capable. >Jo Ann brilliantly observed: Ooh, I've been rechristened for Christmas Thanks, Carol! (Or should that be Carole ?) >> It takes money to run a government, and from the looks of things, >> the Federation was pretty shaky at that point. The loss of several >> billion credits worth of a valuable resource would have had to hurt. Just a question. How well guarded was this whole operation? It's one thing, you see, to have a whole planet to yourself, like what'shisface in "Games", but not having seen the episode in question, I have no idea what the opportunities might have been for someone to find a way to make a sufficient quantity of kairopan "disappear". >Susan M. wrote about breakfast: >> Vargas: The scenery >ROFL! I love those. So do I. Explains why the architectural style was "early maniac": Vargas had been so busy that only rocky outcrops were left. >Tarrant doesn't have the body of a glutton, sweet tooth or gourmand. > He has the body of someone who grabs what is at the front of the >fridge and doesn't think too much about what he's consuming. Heaven help his digestive system (and Heaven help my computer at work - I can see the drool pouring out of it again ). That, potentially, could lead to a diet worse than the one you've just suggested for Vila! Which reminds me of something that annoyed me about "The Sevenfold Crown" - Vila is, possibly, a drunken sot at his worst, but I can't see him eating vast quantities. He's a thief, for Heaven's sake! If he's as good as Avon says of him, then there's no way in the universe he'd eat that much. Thieves have to keep their figures too, you know . I can only suppose that the writer wanted to distinguish between him and the king, who carouses in the traditional manner. I hope that everyone on the list has a good time carousing in the traditional manner over the holidays. Regards and best wishes Joanne All the bells are gaily ringing Birds in every tree are singing Let us in the golden weather Gather Christmas bush together --another Australian Christmas carol. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:20:53 EST From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Travis and Servalan (was "Duel") Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-12-22 16:53:43 EST, you write: << The odd thing about Servalan is that although she was often very self- centered ("You hesitated. My life was in danger and you hesitated."), she actually failed to accept Travis's offer in 'The Keeper'. He offered her the chance to control Star one and the Federation and she turned him down. I'm forced to conclude that Servalan did have some loyalty to the Federation. Why did Travis make her the offer? Why did she turn him down? >> I'm not sure why he made the offer, but perhaps she turned him down because she was on the verge of making her try for the presidency and didn't want to be associated with Travis. Or maybe she didn't believe he had really found it or would succeed in taking it over. Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:37:50 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Uncut Message-ID: <199812221837_MC2-6482-C42A@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Judith asked: >Has anyone thought of writing to Fabulous Films and asking >them to use the aired version of 'Rescue' when they get to that >stage in the releases? Are you volunteering? Or suggesting a mass campaign (in which case we'd better all have the address)? Will Fab Films actually have access to the original, or just what the BBC gave them? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:38:50 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Clive James on TV Message-ID: <199812221838_MC2-6482-C43D@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Joanne asked: >> We didn't see Brian the Snail > >Definitely need an explanation here. Seeing as you >mentioned Jarvik, could it be that the reference is to >the kairopan gobbler in "Harvest of Kairos"? The same. Except I meant Spider. Sheelagh Wells explains in Inside Story that the gobbler was popularly known as Brian the Spider at time of filming. She appears to think it was instrumental in her overcoming her arachnophobia. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:09:07 PST From: "Penny Dreadful" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] T.'s Offer to S. in 'The Keeper' Message-ID: <19981223000907.12010.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Judith said: >The odd thing about Servalan is that although she was often very self-centered >("You hesitated. My life was in danger and you hesitated."), she actually >failed to accept Travis's offer in 'The Keeper'. He offered her the chance to >control Star one and the Federation and she turned him down. > >I'm forced to conclude that Servalan did have some loyalty to the Federation. Hah! Servalan had loyalty to Servalan. >Why did Travis make her the offer? Well, I'm inclined to say it was a come-on...but I won't... Travis didn't want all that power, too complicated, messy. He wanted *access* to all that power. He wanted Servalan to take control and just give him whatever he asked for (Ships to chase Blake. Guns to shoot Blake. Knives to stab Blake). It's like she would be the owner of the metaphorical Mercedes and responsible for upkeep and insurance, but he could have the keys when he needed to drive somewhere. And I think he figured the Federation deserved her... >Why did she turn him down? She didn't know he *already had* the brain print, or she would have agreed to whatever he said, and had him killed whenever it was convenient for her. As it was she wasn't prepared to contemplate sharing power with someone whose insanity was, by this point, more dangerous than useful - I get the impression that the head trauma inflicted upon him by Chevy...Cheva...Krantor's thug in 'Gambit' jarred his brain loose for good - moreover she didn't respect him enough to *pretend* to consider it, which I think she would have done with Season 1 Travis. -- Penny Dreadful ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:31:23 -0000 From: "Fifitrix" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Free time again Message-ID: <001901be2e70$279bcf50$1b649384@fms01963.unichem.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Every time I hear "Learning to Fly" by Pink Floyd, I think about Tarrant. >Does >> anyone know if someone's done a vid for it? > >Not that I know of (and I hope I've not missed it if one exists ). The >lyrics are wonderful for Tarrant. I could be tempted to give it a try myself >but I'm fearful that Pink Floyd isn't my type of music. I'll have to research >the matter. >Carol Mc I LOVE Pink Floyd - my personal favourite is "The Great Gig in the Sky" which was unbelievable when I saw them live. (btw - a male friend that I was with said "that's some pair of lungs that girl's got" and for once I actually believe he was talking about lungs) Floyd is the kind of music that needs to be listened to whilst being still, I feel. I'm not sure why. I like to let it wash over me in waves. Its excellent for clearing out your head space after a hectic day. anyway - go get "learning to fly" - its great. also like - "shine on you crazy diamond" Fifitrix xxx -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #315 **************************************