From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #47 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/47 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 47 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] On My Mind Re: [B7L] Tarrant: heroic or selfish? RE: [B7L] Tarrant [B7L] Tarrant-Blake P.S. Re: [B7L] Tarrant [B7L] Safety Re: [B7L] Safety [B7L] Re: Safety Re: [B7L] New B7 page for beginning writers Re: Re: [B7L] Tarrant as hero and as bully Re: [B7L] Tarrant: Heroic or selfish? [B7L] Vila and Avon's strengths Re: [B7L] Safety [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #46 [B7L] URSY32A@prodigy.com (MRS CATHY J FRANKLIN): Re: Kiss [B7L] blake picture [B7L] Re: Riven Re: [B7L] On My Mind Re: [B7L] On My Mind Re: [B7L] Tarrant: Heroic or selfish? Re: [B7L] On My Mind Re: SC: [B7l]: Spam Mail Re: [B7L] On My Mind Re: [B7L] Safety ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:47:09 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] On My Mind Message-ID: <199802141347.IAA02230@yfn.ysu.edu> Avona wrote: >And Tarrant did come to the Liberator thinking he'd >find Blake on board to join his crew, if I remember that episode >correctly. He'd done enough research on the crew to know Chevron had to >be Avon. It's never suggested that Tarrant boarded Liberator to join the crew. Nor is there indication that he specifically did research on the crew. Tarrant does show that he knows about Liberator, such as when he tells Avon: TARRANT: So, after realizing you were one of Blake's people it was simple. You weren't Blake, I'd have recognized him. His explanation of why he would have recognized Blake and how/why he came on board Liberator is included in the exchange below: TARRANT: I've been on the Federation wanted list for quite a while. I had my own ship. I was running contraband, getting myself mixed up in other people's wars - you know the sort of thing. Naturally I heard something of what Blake and the rest of you were doing. AVON: We tried not to keep it a secret. How did you get here? TARRANT: Like you, I went in against the aliens, unlike you I barely survived the first salvo. I was picked up by a Federation ship - that's how I came by the uniform. When she was hit and we abandoned ship my life capsule homed in on the Liberator. She was still in bad shape but the repair circuits were beginning to make headway. This suggests that Tarrant came to be on Liberator purely by accident. And an earlier exchange with Klegg suggests (to me) that Tarrant was at an uncertain crossroads in his life and not sure what he should do-- further indication that he didn't have prior plans to sign up with Blake. Klegg and Tarrant have been discussing the successes and failures to date. Tarrant says that at least they have the ship. Klegg questions: "...Are sure it hasn't got us?" Then all but Tarrant leave, and Tarrant says to himself, "I'm not really sure about anything." That doesn't sound like a man who boarded Liberator with the intention of joining the crew. And, in fact, his alliance with Avon appears to be motivated by survival. Shown here: TARRANT: He didn't kill those men. I did. [Gives Harmon's rifle to Avon] You'll need that if we're both to come out of this alive. We don't learn anything more about how Tarrant became a permanent member of the crew. It skips from defeating Klegg and company to where Dayna and Tarrant register their voice patterns with Zen. Now some might speculate that Tarrant gave a pretty speech about joining the Rebellion in between, but I get a giggle thinking about how Avon might have responded to that: "Sorry, one wooly-eyed idealist in the crew is more than enough. Have I given you a tour of the airlock yet?" ;-) >And they wouldn't >jettison Avon; on the other hand, they weren't winning in the 4th >season, and if Avon thought Blake could do a better job, I think they'd >trust his judgement. _Avon_ says this guy can do better? Would they trust Avon's judgement? What they've seen of Avon's old friends wouldn't encourage that. There's his ex-girlfriend who tried to kill him. And his old buddy Keiller turned out not to be very trustworthy. They'd trust Avon to back them and save their hides, but I'm not so sure they'd be as trusting of his ability to choose friends. Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:03:50 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant: heroic or selfish? Message-ID: <199802141403.JAA03164@yfn.ysu.edu> Carol K wrote: >Yes, Tarrant stayed on Heloit to help Hunda, but in so doing he put Scorpio at >risk because fed ships were on the way and Scorpio needed to get out of there. >In fairness to Tarrant, he didn't know the feds were on the way. Nevertheless, >Avon was watching the feds close in, he had Vila whining at him to get out of >there (and leave Tarrant and Dayna behind), he couldn't raise T or D on the >communicators (and he knew they were deliberately not answering)...yet he >refused to leave. I loved it when Avon wouldn't leave. :) And Avon also insists on trying to haul Tarrant's tight behind off Virn. He says it's not only about "poor, gallant Tarrant," but then he often needs a pragmatic reason for his shows of loyalty. >He wouldn't leave them behind, and, despite all his threats >to Tarrant, I believe Tarrant knew he wouldn't leave them. Well, I'd like to think Tarrant thought far enough ahead to consider that Avon wouldn't leave him. But I fear he was sometimes caught up in the exhiliaration of the moment. And that this was one of those times. He's a bit like errant school boy on a romp when he pretends he isn't getting Avon's message. (For which he deserves to have his knuckles rapped.) But I do wonder what Tarrant's reaction would be later, when he realizes Avon stuck it out even with Fed ships closing in. Maybe this is one of those moments of Avon loyalty that bridges the gap between "Rescue" (when Tarrant is surprised that Avon came back for him) and "Games" (when Tarrant tells a worried Vila that Avon wouldn't abandon them). Avon's behavior in "Traitor" is one of the reasons that Tarrant comes to be so firmly trusting by "Games." Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:13:44 -0000 From: Duncan To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Tarrant Message-ID: <0B010792B465D1118B2A00A0C949B91C283B@ENTERPRISE> Content-Type: text/plain >Add to that-- >Rescueing the others in Horizon, after _proving_ he has no practical >need for them. Ahh, but he *did* need them. He proved he could a withstand an attack up to a certain size of force, which promptly turned up and Avon does one of his cool ironic smiles. Then he has to go save the crew in case the attack came off (which it didnt anyway but never mind). Cheers, Duncan. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:30:42 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Tarrant-Blake P.S. Message-ID: <199802141430.JAA04600@yfn.ysu.edu> I thought of one other thing to add about what Tarrant might have thought of Blake prior to meeting him. It's clear that Tarrant at least thought Blake was on their side and an honorable man, else he wouldn't have asked "What on earth happened to you?" in "Blake." So his opinion of Blake was positive, which would have boded well for merging the Scorpio crew with Blake (if "Blake" hadn't happened), but Tarrant's first loyalty would still have been to Avon and the rest of his long-time shipmates. With Blake probably becoming an equally important person to Tarrant in time. I think the PGP novel "Careless Whispers" is a good example of a time after "Blake," when Blake is as important to Tarrant as Avon, Vila, Dayna, and Soolin. Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:33:02 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Duncan CC: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant Message-ID: <34E5C73D.7625@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Ahh, but he *did* need them. He proved he could a withstand an > attack up to a certain size of force, which promptly turned up and Avon > does one of his cool ironic smiles. Then he has to go save the crew in > case the attack came off (which it didnt anyway but never mind). > > Cheers, > Duncan. Ahem* He could have _avoided_ the ships. According to Orac and his own calculations, he could avoid contact with the Federation indefinitely. He could have abandoned the others on Horizon at that point and ran. But he decided to go down, knowing the ships would have the time to approach the Liberator while he was doing in. Instead of doing the safe thing, he faced double jeopardy; the unknown ground forces that captured his friends and the possibility of the Liberator's capture if he was gone too long. The smile more indicated "It never rains but it pours; the one thing that can take the Libertor is coming." than "Oh, drat, just when I was ready to ditch them, I can't." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:16:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Safety Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Sat 14 Feb, Helen Krummenacker wrote: > I'd rather be in Avon's crew than Blake's. His sense of honor drives him > to be very careful with lives, more so than an idealist would be. (Not > that Blake didn't care about his crew, but he cared about ending the > Federation more) Um. Go and rewatch Games (where Avon calculatedly risks everyone except Soolin), Stardrive (where he deliberately risks Dayna and Vila), Dawn of the Gods (where he is prepared to abandon Cally). And Orbit (of course). Not forgetting Cygnus Alpha where he tried to abandon Blake and was only prevented by Jenna. Then rewatch The Web (where Blake risks the Decimas to protect Avon), Hostage (where he risks his own life for Inga), and Deliverance (where he was far more worried about getting back to save his crew than he was about getting Ensor's amazing device that might help against the Federation). Avon certainly has his sense of honour, but it is a very personal one. He won't break his word. He will try and protect those dependent on him, but he won't do it at the risk of his own life. (I accept Horizon is an intersting case and would give my views on it more fully, but my neck's sore and I can't type very much)(In a nutshell, he only ever really stuck his neck out for Blake) Blake has his obsessions, which increased as the series progressed, but in the first season in particular, he was actually very protective of his crew. > > Have I worded this okay? Looks fine to me. I never take offence at polite, intelligent opinions (which yours mostly seem to be) even when I partly disagree with them. Avon's my favourite character, very droolable, but I'd still rather entrust my life to Blake. It depends on season to some extent. Blake was at his most reliable in the first season and Avon was at his best from part way through the first season to part way through the third (with occasional lapses in that time). Judith PS. Never let black leather and a drop-dead gorgeous smile blind you to Avon's dangerous side. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:57:06 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety Message-ID: <199802142257.RAA09806@yfn.ysu.edu> Judith wrote about Avon: )(In a nutshell, he only ever really stuck his neck out for Blake) Say what? Now most of us know I'm first and second season deficient, but I'm suspecting Avon risked his neck for shipmates other than Blake during those eps. I can site some examples of his sticking his neck out in third-fourth season: Volcano: he goes down to Obsidian to search for Dayna and Tarrant. City at the Edge of the World: goes down to Keezarn with Cally to search for Vila. Later returns with Tarrant, Cally, and Dayna to do the same. Children of Auron: Exposes himself to the plague to help Cally's people. Rumours of Death: this is the big one. Allows himself to be taken captive and interrogated for five days for a dead woman. I can't imagine he didn't also risk his neck trying to get to Anna/find out what happened to her when their plan to escape went wrong. Moloch: Avon and Dayna set off to find Vila and Tarrant. Gets himself captured and has his wrist smashed for his trouble. Terminal: Tells Vila to run with the ship when he's standing there with a gun pointed at him. Animals: chases after Dayna Assassin: allows himself to be captured to try to find information on Cancer. Gold: offers cover fire while the others are boarding Scorpio; almost gets spaced for his efforts. Blake: was willing to take over and crash with Scorpio if he had been a good enough pilot We could take any of the rebels and offer many instances where they risked their lives for their shipmates. There wasn't just one hero in that bunch. And there wasn't just one person Avon risked his neck for. Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:54:11 EST From: AChevron@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Safety Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Nasty little question, and good answers on both sides. Who would be safer to work for, Blake, or Avon? Judith, you make a very good case for Blake, but I think I have to disagree with your assessment. You point to The Web, Hostage, and Deliverance as cases in Blake's favor. But Avon would certainly have sacrificed the Decimas in favor of a crewmate, Inga was after all a relative and rated an extra consideration on Blake's part, and Blake didn't have enough information on Orac in Deliverance to justify abandoning his crew for any longer than he had to. I don't mean to state that I believe Blake's motives were impure; but it is certainly possible to assign other motives to him. In counterpoint, Blake consistantly underestimates the danger to himself and his crew( Cygnus Alpha, Pressure Point, in particular). Avon can and will use others to his own purpose, but at least he's honest about it. As long as you ask the right questions, anyways. His world-view is far more condusive to long-term survival, I think, than a man who won't kill an enemy with a plague because it might spread out of control, but who will kill those same millions who might have died anyways by destroying the computer they rely on. Deborah Rose ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:15:40 EST From: DCsquared@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] New B7 page for beginning writers Message-ID: <65562c5b.34e6259e@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-02-13 14:23:39 EST, Grace writes: << Sounds like one heck of an idea if I ever saw one! I'd like to contribute my story, "Building A Mystery" if that's okay. It's not finished yet, but I hope to remedy that on Saturday. It may not be a masterpeice, but I love it in my own respect. >> Thanks for the interest, Grace. I would love to see your story, but I will probably avoid posting whole stories. After all, you might like to get it published someday! I don't imagine many editors would be interested in doing that if your whole story is already posted online for free. You might like to do what I am doing, that is, select a small but hopefully tantalizing section. You might get some feedback on your style or the appeal of the story that will help you. Something like the excerpts from zine stories that Judith has on her site. I will definitely put you on my list of persons to contact as the page goes up. That will be sometime between April and mid-May. Donna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:16:02 EST From: MLytle@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Re: [B7L] Tarrant as hero and as bully Message-ID: <6a92cc1e.34e625b4@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/98 10:13:49 AM, Iain wrote: >> making more early mistakes than he did. As is often the case in fandom, >> it's much easier to empathize with plights that you've suffered than >> it is with the opposite positions. So I can understand why victims >> of bullies are more likely to identify with Vila, while I tend to >> identify with Tarrant (in the "City" and "Moloch" situations). > >I tend to identify with Travis. > >Should I be worried? > >Iain No, Iain. We should be worried! :-) Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:26:31 GMT From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant: Heroic or selfish? Message-Id: <23130.9802142326@bsauasb.nerc-bas.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: JDt0AkWzkS4yZQjSuYZa+A== Helen wrote: > > > By the way, personally I admire and emulate Avon's brain, Cally's > compassion, and Servalan's fashion sense. > Hmmm. I reckon I have Travis's charm, Servalan's tolerance and Vila's sobriety. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:09:38 +1000 From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Vila and Avon's strengths Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980215110938.007ad850@wire.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Carol said: >I wouldn't necessarily say Avon was the stronger of the two. Strength comes >in many forms and for Vila to have survived so long within the criminal >elements he to, has great strength. Vila simply utalises his strength in a >different way. I would definitely say that Avon is stronger *willed* and has a very powerful personality. Vila is resilient, but weak willed and most often tries to fit in with whatever group he's with, so will probably tend to let Avon take charge as a result. But he still gets his own back from time to time. Having four brothers myself, I enjoy watching them do this to each other. Narrelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax "Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit; by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 22:05:31 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety Message-ID: <0cJd2GArUh50Ew31@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message , Judith Proctor writes > >PS. Never let black leather and a drop-dead gorgeous smile blind you to Avon's >dangerous side. > And as a hard-core Avon fan, I have to agree. Yes, he's pretty. Yes, he can be, in his own way, a decent chap. He's also very, very dangerous. I wasn't quite old enough when I saw the first season to be swayed by my hormones. I thought the character was wonderful, partly because I thought that if Blake had two brain cells to rub together he'd drop Avon on the nearest planet. Without benefit of teleport. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:23:41 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #46 Message-ID: <19980214.162007.9703.4.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> > >And I am stunned to hear anyone suggest that Avon has morals! > Try the "wading in blood" speech in Star One (she says, waving a red rag in front of Sue :-) Also the general reluctance to take advantage of young, innocent females who think he's a god, beautiful, etc. -- Julia Jones Add to that-- Helen added: Rescueing the others in Horizon, after _proving_ he has no practical need for them. ***** Did he have no practical reasons? As I recall, he reasoned that he could manage the ship alone unless three or more Federation pursuit ships appeared. They did appear, hence his wonderful laugh full face in the camera, and then he HAD to rescue them, since he needed them. Penny (A GARETH fan) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:23:41 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, Bob_Kjelgaard@prodigy.net Subject: [B7L] URSY32A@prodigy.com (MRS CATHY J FRANKLIN): Re: Kiss Message-ID: <19980214.162007.9703.3.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> < > > ,.-' Y ^ ^-, > ,.-'^H E ,-^ ^-,\ > ,.-'^ R S ,.-^ \| > \ H E ,.-^ k > \,.-^ i > ss > kis > skiss > kissk > isskiss > kisskisskis > skisskisskisski > sskisskisskisskissk > isskisskisskisskisskiss > kisskisskisskisskisskisskis > skisskisskisskisskisskisskisskiss > kisskisskisskisskisskisskisskisskissk > isskisskisskisskisskisskisskisskisskiss > kisskisskisskisskisskisskisskisskisskis > skisskisskisskisskisskisskisskisskiss > > Roses are red, > Violets are blue, > A friend of yours > Is thinking of you. > > *smile* > > This is the start of a cyber kissathon > ...SMOOOOOOOCH... > pass it along and kiss as many people as you can { =0)~ > ( It's even ok to send it back to the person who sent it to you ). Happy Valentine's Day! Penny _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:52:22 +1100 From: "Roger The Shrubber" To: "B7 Main List" Subject: [B7L] blake picture Message-Id: <199802150211.NAA11740@budapest.ozonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Penny and /or Judith wrote That picture is gorgeous - I had to remove it from my desk because it was too distracting when I was working!) ***** Ah yes, but if you want a deep dark enigmatic glimpse inside the true heart of a charismatic revolutionary, the look of a man with the destiny of a mortal Federation in his hands, the face & stance of the True One who will lead his people into the light, the spirit that makes women swoon and men tremble, you really need to be looking at page 29 instead. ___________________________________ from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome ! powerplay@cheerful.com ____________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:18:32 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Riven Message-ID: <19980214.181438.19879.1.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> If anyone is engaged in "Riven" could you please e mail me? Thanks. Penny _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:03:06 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] On My Mind Message-ID: <34E6149A.372@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen Krummenacker wrote: >... Tarrant looks up to Blake by > reputation, so his Alpha male reactions will calm down in the presence > of this Silverback of rebellion. LOL! We have the Disgustingly Slavering Avon Fans, the Tarrant Nostra and ... what is the Blake's bunch called? With Judith keeping us updated on how marvy Gareth looks now gone grey: How about Silverbacks? > ... and Dayna-- might resent the apparent demotion of Avon. > Dayna may admire Avon, but she's no member of the A.S.S. (Avon's Slavish Sychopahants) and would become a buffer between Blake and Avon due to her admiration of them both as assertive warriors. > > Plot idea> Avon leaves the crew once he can get a ship of his own. Blake > is angry, feels that Avon is abandoning the dream. Avon is really going > on a solo mission that he isn't telling anyon about. He has developed an > incredible hatred for Servalan, and now that he doesn't have to worry > about the others, he inteneds to get revenge for all she's done. But Servalan turns the tables and has him one up. And then Blake has to come rescue him. And then slap him about a bit for his uninclusive foolishness. oh please? ;) Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:34:33 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] On My Mind Message-ID: <34E61BF9.17ED@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Russ Massey wrote: > Dayna would quickly adopt him as her new father figure, probably taking on > a body guard role, ohmagawd; I can see her as bitchy as Tyce protecting her President! ':o > > Soolin would have the greatest problem accepting him, but she's an idealist > under the surface cynicism, and once Blake started opening up and exposing > his own doubts and fears about what he was doing she'd quickly melt and > become his most loyal follower. Sadly, I agree. Soolin has been frozen by her own cold cynicism and would find the opportunity to unthaw in the warmth of Blake's passion irresistible. Or, she would find Blake's stationary base on GP too dangerous a target and bail out of the whole mess - strike out on her own once again as a mercenary for hire. > I assume this is *just* Jenna, and with no Blake. I can't see this working at all > well (except in drama terms). She's bound to clash with Tarrant over piloting > duties and be jealous of Soolin because the woman is very much like her in a > lot of ways (but younger :) LOL. How true. However, I see Jenna again acting as she did with Cally. Suspicious and territorial at first, but becoming good friends. I can see Soolin looking up to Jenna just as we see Dayna looking up to Soolin. > ... while Vila would be vacilating; giving his support to > whoever browbeat him most recently. poor poor Vila. Now he's got two crazy Alpha leaders; caught between a rock and a hard place. > ... On the > other hand Jenna could just lose her temper at one patronising remark too > many and gun him down. I know which alternative I'd prefer :) LOL. as an aside: I am always way impressed at the well reasoned defence by our illustrous and never flagging member of the Tarrant Nostra. She battles bravely on against the overwhelming odds of the A.S.S. (Adoring Silverbacks Society) who long to see Avon whup the pup. Or let Jenna do it. Whatever. Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:19:07 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant: Heroic or selfish? Message-ID: <34E5E01B.4CE4@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Clother wrote: > It is easy to dislike Tarrant -- Steven Pacey can't stand > him, for a start -- I never heard that before. Do you know why Pacey didn't tweak the character in a different direction? I expect Darrow didn't want to play the stereotypical techy geek, so he took the character in a different direction. Apparently, the producers let *him* get away with it. Of course, we've all heard that Thomas didn't love the Blake character, and so wanted out of the show - well, ok, he s0 loathed the character that he insisted it killed dead - very dead - blood all over the place dead. It's a wonder he didn't insist the toppers kick the body all to pieces like the Decimas did to the aluminum-foil folks. For that matter, Thomas did manage to interject quite a bit of grey into the lily white hero role handed him. Does Pacey get excused the same way Kynvette did? S(he) was new to acting and as yet unable to take control of the character? Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:16:35 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] On My Mind Message-ID: <34E617C3.5097@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen Krummenacker wrote: > My personal thought-- the scene with Avon left her drained and > remorseful. I don't know if anyone else thinks so, but it seemed to me > that she and Avon were developing a special rapport in 3rd season. I felt that closeness was because Cally was the closest thing left to an intelligent conversationalist once Blake was gone. Avon very obviously loved a good debate. Blake had the brains to oblige. I can see those two engaged in long strategic games of chess. Using the time between moves to debate philosophy, science and freedom. So who could Avon converse with now? Vila? Dayna? Tarrant? Lafable intellectual sparring partners, all. A bunch of SPs. The tears? Ah, another of those lovely bits left unexplained for us to ponder. I think NF Cally would like a more feeling relationship than an NT could deliver. She would have taken Avon as a soul mate. But he never took her - personally. Yet she was in the alien's mind when Avon had his moment of smouldering intimacy with the creature; and during that looong kiss. So now she had tasted her dream, albeit thru another, all the while having the sweetness of the moment tainted by her personal knowledge of Avon's cold deviousness and fierce devotion to his own freedom. Oh, Cally knew that no good would come of that kiss, even while she melted beneath it. And the tears were for that moment of realization that never again would she taste such sweetness, never again would Avon kiss her, for such a moment would evermore be tainted with the bitter memory of the alien's effrontry, hubris, and pleading. (gotta go work on my romance novel now ;) Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:00:13 -0000 From: "Sam" To: Subject: Re: SC: [B7l]: Spam Mail Message-ID: <01bd398b$8b785b40$LocalHost@swhsfzrw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've seen some peoples email where their return email address has extra characters (usually 3 X's) that mean their real address cannot be picked up by automatic mailers. Does anybody know how this works? It would be very useful to most postees. Sam sam@slade.softnet.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:26:11 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] On My Mind Message-ID: <7X7uUCAjaq50EwHI@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <34E61BF9.17ED@geocities.com>, Pat Patera writes >Russ Massey wrote: > >> ... while Vila would be vacilating; giving his support to >> whoever browbeat him most recently. >poor poor Vila. Now he's got two crazy Alpha leaders; caught between a >rock and a hard place. Now there's an idea for a slash story... -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:09:19 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety Message-ID: <199802151609.LAA24983@yfn.ysu.edu> Julia wrote: >And as a hard-core Avon fan, I have to agree. Yes, he's pretty. Yes, he >can be, in his own way, a decent chap. He's also very, very dangerous. I suddenly feel as if I'm missing something. Dangerous in what way, Julia? To himself? To his shipmates? I'm confused because you also mention thinking Blake should do an Avon planet drop, while I see Avon as basically an asset to his shipmates. He may not be a guy you'd want to travel on an overloaded shuttle with and he may make you doubt his reliability as a rescuer, but he has so many skills to contribute. Not to mention a wary, pragmatic viewpoint that might spare you getting into trouble. I wish I had more time today. Narrelle and Deborah, those were very thought provoking, very perceptive posts on Avon-Vila strengths and Safer with Blake or Avon. As for Iain, the more he reveals the more glad I am to have an ocean between us. ;-) Carol McCoy -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #47 *************************************