From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #72 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/72 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 72 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Orbit Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo) Re: [B7L] B7 and Meyers-Brigs Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Re: [B7L] NZ [B7L] Re: Vila's accepting ways [B7L] missing characters [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #71 Re: [B7L] NZ [B7L] blackadder goes seventh Re: [B7L] Dayna and "Bonding Ritual" [B7L] soma Re: [B7L] soma Re: [B7L] Oh, my stars and little fishes! [B7L] re Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic [B7L] re: Orbit [B7L] re: Dayna and Bonding Ritual Re: [B7L] re: Dayna and Bonding Ritual Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) [B7L] 'Allo 'Allo, zis is Avon calling London... Re: [B7L] ssmmmoooking Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Re: [B7L] Orbit Re: [B7L] re Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Re: [B7L] Oh, my stars and little fishes! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 01:37:06 -0000 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reuben wrote: > Sorry to be so late on a follow up to this thread, but I just re-watched > the episode last night. I started wondering that with the assumption > that Orac's assessment that they must lose 70 Kilos would be obsolete > rather quickly how much the cube actually weighed. Avon obviously had > an enormous difficulty moving the cube by pushing it along a perfectly > flat surface. When one also takes into account all that they had thrown > off the ship already, it must of weighed a heck of a lot. Any guesses > on it's weight, remembering that Avon could only push X Kilos. A brief dredge through my A-level mechanics brain (spare brain no.3, reponsible for archived mathematics, except for integration, which takes up the whole of brain no.6) reveals that: Max friction = coefficient of friction * normal force Note that this is independent of the area the force operates over, so the small size, in theory, doesn't change how hard it is to push. However, in the real world the small size means a few extra things: (1) you can't get as good a shove on something that small. (2) its small size means it would deform the floor (even a tiny bit) and make pushing it harder. Now, as to how much it weighs, hmmm... Well I reckon it looks like it weighs about 300kg +- 100kg. That's just my gut-feeling from what Avon was doing to it, allied to my knowlege of how heavy furniture behaves under certain stresses and strains (i.e. swinging on the things). Anyway, there is a fairly good lower limit that we can put on it. Pushing horizontally on the top edge of a cube resting on the floor with a force equal to just over half its weight will tip it over. So if it weighed only 100kg, Avon just has to push with 50kg of force (pedants out there can join me in screaming "you mean 490N don't you?") horizontally on it top to tip it up, and he obviously isn't doing that. Unfortunately, I can't remember the ep in photographic detail, but the act of exerting this force brings another factor to mind. If Avon crouches down, sticks his bum out and swings on it, his weight will have a lot more leverage (the distance between his bum and his feet) than the weight of the block (half its length). If his grip can hold, he might be able to tip it by pulling. So, it's all down to how much his fingers and legs can pull/push. My fingers can happily hold onto at least 200kg, and I think they are shock-rated at about 300kg or so, though that's with a good firm grin, rather than the fingertip hold he's got here. This is easily enough to hold onto whatever leverage you can get this way, though. However, Avon appears to be trying to just push the block. This has the advantage that grip strength is not a factor, but now the legs come into play. My legs are slightly stroger than my fingers at 350kg or so, so if Avon's legs push any less than 200kg, than he's just not trying. So if the block weighs less than 400kg than he _should_ be able to tip it by pushing on its top edge. Now, this all overlooks one basic problem. You know that friction equation above? Well, it holds true for Avon's feet as well. What it means is that if Avon is going to push the block, he will need to be able to exert more frictional force with his feet than the block can. Oh dear. The normal force (i.e. his weight) is obviously smaller. If it weren't, then the block would weight at the very most 90kg, and if he can't lift that completely off the ground and carry it, he's a wimp of a leather-clad revoloutionary. So, he has to increase his coefficient of friction drastically. I don't recall any ridges or anything on the floor, so he'd better have very very grippy soles on those shoes. Maybe that's what he needs Vila for - to superglue his feet to the deck each step. Oh dear, I've just remembered. They must have artificial gravity on this craft, so why not just turn it down a bit? If they don't have AG, then all the thrusting the shuttle has been doing should put "down" towards the back, and the block would have long ago tumbled down towards the back of the ship, and because of its small size and sharp edges it punched straight through the rear bulkhead and they are currently all dying of explosive decompression. Shame. Tom "Spelunker" Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:22:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Mary W O'Connor" To: Ophelia cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Ophelia wrote: > Mary W. O'Connor: > > >I agree, too. Avon just needed a stress formula multi-vitamin and a long > >holiday. > > > B-Complex and Evening Primrose Oil, > with a nice dose of valerian before > chatting with Tarrant. Say, I wonder if > Avon suffers from PMT? Do I love him > enough to share my magic forumalation > with him? Personally, I think expecting > your period is enough to make anyone > tetchy/tearful/homocidal/suicidal. > > Hmmmmmm. The male change of life is called andropause and symptoms include fatigue, depression, irritability, aches and pains (among other lost abilities). Starts between ages of 45 and 55 as a result of the body's reduced ability to produce hormones. So, just how old was Avon supposed to be in the 4th season? I know of natural source estrogen, but what is a source of testosterone? Puts a new light on pleasure planets. Mary O'Connor zvs225@freenet.mb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:16:48 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Nicola C said: >> Sorry, that gland gang again. What I meant to say was, Kevin Smith is one >> of our sexier exports. > >[snip] > >> More sexy Kiwi exports: Russell Crowe (Quick and the Dead, and others), >> Temuera Morrison (Speed 2). Tom: >There was that wossname sword-wielding leather-clad girly person, wasn't >there? Wouldn'd kick her out of bed for eating crackers. Looks like my het tendencies are showing. Lucy Lawless is most certainly a NZer, and sexy. She's formerly known as Stanley's Mum, you know. (her role in a bank ad featuring a chubby sproglett). (In our house we watch the new ad featuring a swarmy-git robot, and shout "Bring Back Stanley!") Features on many a NewWoman'sWeeklyIdeaDay cover - probably almost as many as the Royals. As for kicking Xena out of bed - if she didn't want to go, you'd be sorry you'd tried... ;-) ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:04:48 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 and Meyers-Brigs Message-ID: <34FA21D0.6D42@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison Page wrote: > However I was absolutely delighted to discover > the ENTP faults listed all over the web. Brilliant! At last the perfect > excuse for being lazy, feckless, aggressive, easily discouraged, bored with > details.. It's the best news I've had this year. I love it! At last the perfect excuse for being rude, snobbish, cold, arrogant, over-educated, under-funded and socially inept. Pat INTJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:56:58 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mary: >Hmmmmmm. The male change of life is called andropause and >symptoms include fatigue, depression, irritability, aches >and pains (among other lost abilities). >Starts between ages of 45 and 55 as a result of the body's >reduced ability to produce hormones. >So, just how old was Avon supposed to be in the 4th season? Note that he has a full head of hair at this stage. IIRC, male pattern baldness is linked to testosterone levels. Hang on, I don't like where this is going! Avon less than a man? Say it ain't so! ;-) ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:28:52 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Nicola Collie CC: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Message-ID: <34FB865F.5401@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nicola Collie wrote: > > Mary: > >Hmmmmmm. The male change of life is called andropause and > >symptoms include fatigue, depression, irritability, aches > >and pains (among other lost abilities). > >Starts between ages of 45 and 55 as a result of the body's > >reduced ability to produce hormones. > > >So, just how old was Avon supposed to be in the 4th season? > > Note that he has a full head of hair at this stage. IIRC, male pattern > baldness is linked to testosterone levels. > Hang on, I don't like where this is going! Avon less than a man? Say it > ain't so! ;-) > ttfn, Nicola > Do we really need a greater reason than stress for his changes? I mean, the lives of the only people he has left to care about, as well as all the innocents enslaved by the Federation, depend on his decision making abilities. Ever seen how the Oval office ages a man? However, depression, fatigue, aches and pains are symptoms of other illnesses, including myofacia/fibromyalgia, which would explain why he hates Cally's Auron yoga. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:14:09 +oooo From: "John C. Elliott" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] NZ Message-ID: <888909263.012442.0@kindred.demon.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 2 Mar 98 at 14:32, Una McCormack wrote: > Can we include people who *wish* they were from New Zealand? > > Una Must agree with that, I was lucky enough to visit Auckland in 1968 for a fortnight. Always wanted to go back. John ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< mailto:john.elliott@ndirect.co.uk I am obliged by your opinions, and will retain my own. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:25:51 +1000 From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Vila's accepting ways Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980303192551.007b6cf0@wire.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jay said: >Some things I find too hard to forgive. I don't think I would have ever >forgived Avon if he ever tried to space me, although I wouldn't have stayed >mad at him for long. My trust would have been broken and I probably would >have asked for a lift to the nearest pleasure planet. Well, I suppose I was being a bit facetious. Only people you really care about can hurt you enough that you can't forgive. A stranger doesn't know the vulnerable points the way your best friends do. But still... I never saw those two as the very very best of friends - they were colleagues and shared a larcenous nature, but beneath the sniping (and they got at each other with equal barbed wit) they respected one another's skills and I do believe they liked each other. Vila was hurt, disappointed and very very angry, but he's a realist himself. Avon's stalking of Vila was supremely machiavellian, but not particularly personal, and I think that Vila could rationalise his way to forgiveness given enough time. And yes, there are one or two major grudges I still bear towards someone who deeply wounded me and mine, and I am more angry about what happened to others than to me. Narrelle Harris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax "Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit; by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 01:17:54 +1000 From: "Roger The Shrubber" To: "B7 Main List" Subject: [B7L] missing characters Message-Id: <199803031005.VAA23581@budapest.ozonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fran wrote Can anyone think of other stories where the main character goes missing half way through? **** Red Dwarf could easily have been renamed "Starbug" or "The Kryten Show". ___________________________________ from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome ! powerplay@cheerful.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:40:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #71 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Somebody wrote: >By the way, I discovered today that there is a Paris-based bike-racing >team called Gan. There's a shop in Cambridge called 'Gan Electricals', which we always found suitably amusing! Una --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG United Kingdom http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:17:25 +1300 From: "Lucas Young" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] NZ Message-ID: <004c01bd468d$92cd40e0$603ee50a@lucas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You'd find it quite dark about now!! Yes we have a lovely country, I like the part where we don't have any wild animals able to eat people to death! I think I'm like Vila in that respect... Am putting together a Liberator model (LIghtwave format) if anyone wants it.... Lucas -----Original Message----- From: John C. Elliott To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Date: Tuesday, 3 March 1998 22:52 Subject: Re: [B7L] NZ On 2 Mar 98 at 14:32, Una McCormack wrote: > Can we include people who *wish* they were from New Zealand? > > Una Must agree with that, I was lucky enough to visit Auckland in 1968 for a fortnight. Always wanted to go back. John ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< mailto:john.elliott@ndirect.co.uk I am obliged by your opinions, and will retain my own. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:42:23 +1000 From: "Roger The Shrubber" To: "B7 Main List" Subject: [B7L] blackadder goes seventh Message-Id: <199803031005.VAA23562@budapest.ozonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nicola wrote Queenie=Servalan (in one of her whimsical moods) Bob=Dayna Several ideas for Tarrant but I like my fingernails where they are, thank you. 8) ****** Tarrant would not accept any lesser role than Lord FlashHeart. Melchet would be suitable for Doctor Bellfriar. I always thought Tony Robinson (Baldrick) & Michael Keating had a similar kind of presence on screen, a kind of cheeky subservience. ___________________________________ from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome ! powerplay@cheerful.com ____________________________________ "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." --Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp.,1977 ______________________________________ "The Administration is out to get me" _______________________________________ "In the end, winning is the only safety" _________________________________________ "If man is art, can I just go out of here and make an exhibition of myself ?" ________________________________________ Was God an astronaut ? _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634 Anxiety & Panic _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers ------------------------------ Date: 03 Mar 1998 08:30:40 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Dayna and "Bonding Ritual" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII "G. Robbins" writes: > Perhaps from the time after 'Aftermath' and up until 'Ultraworld', > the other crew of the Liberator "taught" her. There *must* be fanfic exploring that line of reasoning. > Another possibility could have been she saw the mating habits of > animals on Serran and learned that way. A third possibility is that she and Lauren, er, experimented a bit. Maybe Hal had some ispiring old books lying around. There must be fanfic about that, too. At least there ought to be :-) If we're going to explore this further, maybe we should head over to the Other List. -- Calle "mind, meet gutter" Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 01:07:06 +1000 From: "Roger The Shrubber" To: "B7 Main List" Subject: [B7L] soma Message-Id: <199803031005.VAA23572@budapest.ozonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tramila wrote YKYBWFFTMB7W... ...you say all the words as each character says them. ...you wonder what Soma tastes like and if Vila will share some of his. ***** What a great name for a new brand of soft drink that would be - "Soma & Adrenalin". It might even replace Jolt cola as the drink of choice for geeks. So did B7 pinch the idea of Soma from Huxley's Brave New World ? My Scrabble dictionary defines it as "the body of an organism" so I'm presuming its redefinition as a drug/drink was due to someone's imagination. Does anyone know of any pre-Huxley references to a drug called Soma ? ___________________________________ from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome ! powerplay@cheerful.com ____________________________________ "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." --Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp.,1977 ______________________________________ "The Administration is out to get me" _______________________________________ "In the end, winning is the only safety" _________________________________________ "If man is art, can I just go out of here and make an exhibition of myself ?" ________________________________________ Was God an astronaut ? _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634 Anxiety & Panic _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:44:53 -0000 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] soma Message-ID: <888925769.016710.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Darren wrote > So did B7 pinch the idea of Soma from Huxley's Brave New World ? My > Scrabble dictionary defines it as "the body of an organism" so I'm > presuming its redefinition as a drug/drink was due to someone's > imagination. > Does anyone know of any pre-Huxley references to a drug called Soma ? Oh aye. B7 definitely nicked it fom Huxley, but Huxley was an erudite chap and he took it from Sanskrit (ancient language of India, and the earliest Hindu scriptures). In the religious writing of early Hinduism 'soma' is definitely a drug which is either taken by priests in order to communicate with the gods, or offered to the gods. Huxley uses the drug to mean an opiate-type of chemical which renders people weak, happy and pliable. A bit like Pylene 3 or whatever it is. However a lot of people think that the original soma mentioned in India was an hallucinogen, probably a mushroom, which had been retained from an earlier shamanistic-type of religious practice. I tend to think it was probably fly agaric - but please don't try this at home. Psylocibin is much safer, and just as effective. Allegedly. Oh, and while we are on the subject, isn't it sweet how Vila collapses when Cally injects him with Soma (in Horizon)? I know that kind of scene is a bit of a gift to actors but I must say Michael K. does it very well. I also like Avon's dry comment: 'He'll be asleep for a while' 'That'll be nice' I think Paul D gets the inflection of his line perfectly. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:10:47 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Oh, my stars and little fishes! Message-ID: <19980303231047.55108@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Mar 02, 1998 at 11:42:00AM -0800, PATTI McCLELLAN wrote: > > The crossover I'd like to see is Avon and Methos. > Your search is over! Such a story has been written! Oh, um, if I told you what the story was, then that would be a spoiler, since you aren't supposed to know that Methos is there until he turns up. But I agree that it's a wonderful combination. They're both so pragmatic, reluctantly noble and with little time for other people's guilt trips. Mind you, Methos is less acerbic and more devious than Avon. IMHO. Heh, Methos is postitively *mellow* compared with Avon. Avon's defence is to look dangerous. Methos's defence is to look harmless. (Hmmm, a bit like Vila in that respect.) And of course, they've both got that tall, dark, lean look... (-8 And the story is... **** spoiler **** Methos appears in "Winning is the Only Safety: Hide and Seek" in Refractions #5. It is a Blake's 7/Highlander crossover. Guess who died for the first time on GP? Yep - Avon. Vila ducked. But you can read all about that in "Winning is the Only Safety: First Death" which is archived in the Seventh Dimension Highlander Archive http://seventh-dimension.simplenet.com/index.html under crossovers. "Hide and Seek" is the long-awaited sequel. And Methos does turn up. Along with Richie, and of course Vila, and Servalan. And one other familiar face, near the end. Kathryn Andersen (who is Very Sad because Highlander Downunder II (with Peter "Methos" Wingfield as GoH) is on the exact same weekend as Deliverance...) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 13:07:42 +0000 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] re Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Message-ID: <34FC009E.611@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nicola Collie wrote: > > Mary: > >Hmmmmmm. The male change of life is called andropause and > >symptoms include fatigue, depression, irritability, aches > >and pains (among other lost abilities). > >Starts between ages of 45 and 55 as a result of the body's > >reduced ability to produce hormones. > > >So, just how old was Avon supposed to be in the 4th season? > > Note that he has a full head of hair at this stage. IIRC, male pattern > baldness is linked to testosterone levels. > Hang on, I don't like where this is going! Avon less than a man? Say it > ain't so! ;-) > ttfn, Nicola Are you trying to say that Baldies cannot be Daddies? Balderdash! of course they can!! Are you saying that Baldies cannot be sexy? Two words - Yul Brynner! Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 13:07:17 +0000 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] re: Orbit Message-ID: <34FC0085.6351@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Forsyth wrote: > > Reuben wrote: > > Sorry to be so late on a follow up to this thread, but I just re-watched > > the episode last night. I started wondering that with the assumption > > that Orac's assessment that they must lose 70 Kilos would be obsolete > > rather quickly how much the cube actually weighed. Avon obviously had > > an enormous difficulty moving the cube by pushing it along a perfectly > > flat surface. When one also takes into account all that they had thrown > > off the ship already, it must of weighed a heck of a lot. Any guesses > > on it's weight, remembering that Avon could only push X Kilos. > > A brief dredge through my A-level mechanics brain (spare brain no.3, > reponsible for archived mathematics, except for integration, which takes up > the whole of brain no.6) reveals that: > > Max friction = coefficient of friction * normal force > > Note that this is independent of the area the force operates over, so the > small size, in theory, doesn't change how hard it is to push. However, in > the real world the small size means a few extra things: > > (1) you can't get as good a shove on something that small. > (2) its small size means it would deform the floor (even a tiny bit) and > make pushing it harder. They`re beginning to go. > > Now, as to how much it weighs, hmmm... Well I reckon it looks like it > weighs about 300kg +- 100kg. That's just my gut-feeling from what Avon was > doing to it, allied to my knowlege of how heavy furniture behaves under > certain stresses and strains (i.e. swinging on the things). > > Anyway, there is a fairly good lower limit that we can put on it. Pushing > horizontally on the top edge of a cube resting on the floor with a force > equal to just over half its weight will tip it over. So if it weighed only > 100kg, Avon just has to push with 50kg of force (pedants out there can join > me in screaming "you mean 490N don't you?") horizontally on it top to tip > it up, and he obviously isn't doing that. Almost there. > > Unfortunately, I can't remember the ep in photographic detail, but the act > of exerting this force brings another factor to mind. If Avon crouches > down, sticks his bum out and swings on it, his weight will have a lot more > leverage (the distance between his bum and his feet) than the weight of the > block (half its length). If his grip can hold, he might be able to tip it > by pulling. So, it's all down to how much his fingers and legs can > pull/push. My fingers can happily hold onto at least 200kg, and I think > they are shock-rated at about 300kg or so, though that's with a good firm > grin, rather than the fingertip hold he's got here. This is easily enough > to hold onto whatever leverage you can get this way, though. > > However, Avon appears to be trying to just push the block. This has the > advantage that grip strength is not a factor, but now the legs come into > play. My legs are slightly stroger than my fingers at 350kg or so, so if > Avon's legs push any less than 200kg, than he's just not trying. So if the > block weighs less than 400kg than he _should_ be able to tip it by pushing > on its top edge. Going..... > > Now, this all overlooks one basic problem. You know that friction equation > above? Well, it holds true for Avon's feet as well. What it means is that > if Avon is going to push the block, he will need to be able to exert more > frictional force with his feet than the block can. Oh dear. The normal > force (i.e. his weight) is obviously smaller. If it weren't, then the block > would weight at the very most 90kg, and if he can't lift that completely > off the ground and carry it, he's a wimp of a leather-clad revoloutionary. Going..... > > So, he has to increase his coefficient of friction drastically. I don't > recall any ridges or anything on the floor, so he'd better have very very > grippy soles on those shoes. Maybe that's what he needs Vila for - to > superglue his feet to the deck each step. > > Oh dear, I've just remembered. They must have artificial gravity on this > craft, so why not just turn it down a bit? If they don't have AG, then all > the thrusting the shuttle has been doing should put "down" towards the > back, and the block would have long ago tumbled down towards the back of > the ship, and because of its small size and sharp edges it punched straight > through the rear bulkhead and they are currently all dying of explosive > decompression. Shame. Gone. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............... > Tom "Spelunker" Forsyth. OH! sorry! you`ve finished. I`m wde awake again. I missed some of your arguement. Can you start from "spare brain no. 3? :-) :-) :-) I truely am sorry. I don`t mean to be facetiuous, but the actual mechanics of how heavy the plastic thingy was went straight over my head (I`m only little). Can`t we just accept that as Macho Man raised a great deal of sweat in shifting it it must have been very heavy. BUT! while he was doing said plastic thingy sliding, he was gasping out for Vila to help him, what exactly did he expect Vila to grab hold of. (be careful with your answers, I`ve just checked, this is Lysator we`re on, not the Other One). After all the plastic thingy was not big enough for them both to grab. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 13:08:03 +0000 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] re: Dayna and Bonding Ritual Message-ID: <34FC00B3.831@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calle Dybedahl wrote: > > "G. Robbins" writes: > > > Perhaps from the time after 'Aftermath' and up until 'Ultraworld', > > the other crew of the Liberator "taught" her. > > There *must* be fanfic exploring that line of reasoning. > > > Another possibility could have been she saw the mating habits of > > animals on Serran and learned that way. > > A third possibility is that she and Lauren, er, experimented a bit. > Maybe Hal had some ispiring old books lying around. > There must be fanfic about that, too. At least there ought to be :-) > > If we're going to explore this further, maybe we should head over to > the Other List. Try Justin. I thought he taught her about such things. Jackie ------------------------------ Date: 03 Mar 1998 14:28:57 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Dayna and Bonding Ritual Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jackie writes: > Try Justin. I thought he taught her about such things. Well, yeah, but Dayna/LiberatorCrew and Dayna/Lauren sounds like more fun :-) -- Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:56:48 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Message-ID: <01bd45de$da3059e0$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Pat]: >In all fairness, most of the men are sexualized, too. Yeah! My ideal world - everything and everybody are sexualised. What fun. >B7 Grl Toys: Soolin (ouch! suffers lightning zap from the Goddess)- I >mean, at first, with the geritol-man. That'll teach you. Besides, sexy tho Dorian was, Soolin was only amusing herself with him. She is obviously a virgin, like all the best goddesses. <> She was fabulous. Give me a girlie baddie any time - Cancer rivals even Callisto, tho she lacks the maidenly giggle. << Was her demise not the most satisfying moment of your day? I can watch her die time and again, ROFL. That final shriek is a moment to make a Diva green. Give Cancer the prize for overacting.>> Poor darling Cancer. It was her big moment of drama, bad hairstyle and all - and she handled it superbly. <> Mockery? Blasphemy? Et tu, Pussycat! What kind of behaviour is this from an Acolyte? Is one lightening bolt not enough to teach you the error of your ways? --- Lindley. Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:48:22 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: Subject: [B7L] 'Allo 'Allo, zis is Avon calling London... Message-ID: <01bd45dd$acef6120$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat mentioning leather-studded hunks has set starnge connections going in my brain. For males, this is >portrayed a hunkliness. >Hunksters: Jarvik, Travis I, er... and all Studs in Black Leather. I'm sorry. My allegiance has wavered from Avon as my favourite stud in black leather. It's been taken by Herr Otto Flick. He doesn't just have the black leather, he has the little hexagonal glasses and, to add the final delicious sado-masochistic touch, the clipped German accent. And Avon has only a silly-looking spaceship, while Herr Flick has a big black Gestapo car and a very big knockwurst. If I were to cast 'Allo 'Allo characters as B7 characters, to carry on a list tradition in cross-casting, I would definitely cast Servalan as Herr Flick, the power-mad, sinister and sexily dressed Gestapo offcier with the beautiful knees. Can you imagine Servaln parting her lovely lips and saying (in a sexy German accent) after the fiasco of ORAC: "I vill not be reporting this back to the Federation. I have no vish to look a right nana." Vila - Hans (Can't you see him crouched on the floor, sticking one adorable leg in the air, and squeaking "Heil Hi'ler!" And I think the specs would suit him. Gan - Rene, hero of the Resistance. There's a certain physical resemblance, tho Gan is much nicer than Rene. Soolin - Private Helga, 'cos of the hair, and because of Helga's hidden streak of intelligent ruthlessness. Also, I like the image of the Goddess in silk knickers edged with tiny swastickas. Or possibly Denise (the leader of the Communist Resistance) because of her not-so-hidden streak of ruthlessness and excellent aim with a gun. Cally - Lt. Hubert Gruber, 'cos they're both kinda sweet. Altho, again, maybe Gruber should be Vila - they both tend to apologize after shooting someone. Blake - Michelle, the leader of the de Gaul Resistance. Brave, prone to - ah - brilliant plans, and with a regrettable tendency to put the future of The Cause above the immediate safety of her associates Jenna - 'Enriette, Michelle's devoted and courageous liuetenant. ALso, 'Enriette's a rather pretty blonde who might or might not be romantically involved with Michelle. Tarrant - Roger L'Eclair. (I'll leave that one right alone. Still, A/V - which I am beginning to see the point of - might convince me I like Tarrant yet. It's hard to dislike someone you've just imagined cuddled up to your favourite thief. Dear me, I'll have to go watch "City" for therapy.) Dayna - Mimi. Young, cute, and vicious, with a nice singing voice. ORAC - the Colonel. Travis - General von Klinkerhoffen SIgh. All this would mean, of course, that Servalan and Soolin were involved. COuld you imagine Soolin shivering with delight as Servalan produced teh - corkscrew? *I* can. at least on morphine. The most tasteless part of 'Allo 'Allo was making interogation by the Gestapo seem incredibly erotic. Helga: I only have to *hint* and Herr Flick will *drag* it out of me... Or, more fun still: "Would you like to interrogate me again, Herr Flick? Plus >all hairy barbarians (none of whom compare to Ares, the God of War in >Xena, Warrior Princess. What a studmuffin *sigh* >B7 Boy Toys: Ray, the consort in Gambit. >B7 Grl Toys: Soolin (ouch! suffers lightning zap from the Goddess)- I >mean, at first, with the geritol-man. > >Pat P > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:28:08 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: "B7 Main List" Subject: Re: [B7L] ssmmmoooking Message-ID: <01bd45e3$3b3eb520$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Before I answer this, yeah, I'm prejudiced. I detest people smoking in my presence, and I have no respect for the intelligence and self-control of smokers whatsoever. Loving these characters, it's very hard to see them as doing something anti-social, revolting and plain stupid. Prejudice declared, then: [Darren R]: >someone mentioned the possibility of Avon being a smoker > >Here is my list of who would & wouldn't > >Avon- chain smokes because he is a tough guy ! Yeah! >Also needs something to do >with his hands when he's not programming or rigging up hardware I have some better suggestions >Servalan - Smokes very expensive cigarettes that you can't get at the local >shops. Possibly uses a cigarette holder while smoking. Nah. It looks good, yes, but Servalan's a) too savvy about her own personal safety and b) too elegant to risk smellin/tasting like an ash tray. Maye an occaisional cigar hanging with phallic sexiness from her ruby lips, as Madonna used to, but she is unlikely to inhale. >Vila - Cigar when he's winning, occasional cheap cigs when he's not. Would a true hedonist destroy his sense of taste? >Dayna - More interested in recreational drugs than cigs. Perhaps. >Soolin - 30 a day, 60 when socialising, sometimes rolls her own. Aaargh! Darren, are you deliberately trying to have the Wrath of the Priestess brought down on your head? Can you really see the Golden Goddess doing something as unattractive and - CRASS - as chain-smoking? And would a gunfighter risk her health like that? Besides, it would spoil one of my favourite sexual fantasies. My one dating rule is that I never, ever date a smoker. Feeling like throwing up at the reek everytime they try to kiss you is *not* a turn on. >Gan - Social smoker, cheap brand. > >Blake - Doesn't smoke, but is curious about who else does & why. Good comment. >Cally - Used to smoke a safe herbal mix. >Jenna - Smokes plenty while doing illegal smuggling runs, otherwise just >socially. I can see the illegal runs, but not the social smokers. >Travis - Marlboros, what else. Granted. --- still faintly nauseated, Lindley. Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:13:02 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: "B7-list" , "Calle Dybedahl" Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Message-ID: <01bd45d8$bd805a80$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Calle]: >Where's the fun in having power if you can't abuse it? Good point. So why aren't you making more mischief in *your* position of power over all we lowly mist-members, calle dear? >Why isn't Servalan getting a fan club when everyone else gets one? I'll join! I'll join! Goddess, those *sequins*... But only if it doesn't conflict with my Temple duties. -- XXX Lindley. Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." > Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin > qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ > ------------------------------ Date: 03 Mar 1998 14:52:22 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: "B7-list" Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII "Ophelia" writes: > Good point. So why aren't you making more mischief in *your* > position of power over all we lowly mist-members, calle dear? Because you're too far away for me to see the fear in your eyes, little listmember. -- Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:53:46 -0000 From: "Jenni-Alison" To: , "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit Message-Id: <199803031359.OAA17411@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Forsyth wrote: > Now, this all overlooks one basic problem. You know that friction equation > above? Well, it holds true for Avon's feet as well. What it means is that > if Avon is going to push the block, he will need to be able to exert more > frictional force with his feet than the block can. Oh dear. The normal > force (i.e. his weight) is obviously smaller. If it weren't, then the block > would weight at the very most 90kg, and if he can't lift that completely > off the ground and carry it, he's a wimp of a leather-clad revoloutionary. > > So, he has to increase his coefficient of friction drastically. I don't > recall any ridges or anything on the floor, so he'd better have very very > grippy soles on those shoes. Maybe that's what he needs Vila for - to > superglue his feet to the deck each step. > ROFLMAO. what a wonderful image - Vila at Avons feet! > > Oh dear, I've just remembered. They must have artificial gravity on this > craft, so why not just turn it down a bit? If they don't have AG, then all > the thrusting the shuttle has been doing should put "down" towards the > back, and the block would have long ago tumbled down towards the back of > the ship, and because of its small size and sharp edges it punched straight > through the rear bulkhead and they are currently all dying of explosive > decompression. Shame. > > > Tom "Spelunker" Forsyth. > That's brilliant. And it deals with the moral issues nicely, by avoiding them entirely. Thanks Tom, you've made my day ;-D Jenni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 08:05:41 -0600 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980303073858.00b63954@dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jackie wrote: >Are you trying to say that Baldies cannot be Daddies? Balderdash! of >course they can!! I think that was the point. Male pattern baldness is linked to *higher* testosterone levels. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:25:19 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Oh, my stars and little fishes! Message-ID: <01bd46ac$00b93960$38a226cb@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Patti]: <> Oh, good. I'm glad someone menioned that. I'm a clinical depressive myself (*no* idea if it's monopolar or bipolar, or even what those terms mean - I must ask my psychiatrist) and I certainly don't consider myself insane - at least, most of the time. Just ill, and having to take my medicine regularly and have a great excuse for sleeping and crying all day when I want to. Thinking about Soolin too much can make me feel slightly crazed, I admit, but that's a different question. - XXX Lindley Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." Anyway, you must adopt Avon's attitude -- anyone who "flames" you is obviously of inferior understanding! Post more, please! Patti -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #72 *************************************