From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #75 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/75 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 75 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Radio play [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression and IQ tests Re: [B7L] Radio play Re: [B7L] Radio play Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression and IQ tests [B7L] Is a Pattern Developing Here? [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem Re: [B7L] Radio play [B7L] re: Radio Play Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem [B7L] Re: Machiavelli [B7L] New videos [B7L] Avon's modern day persona Re: [B7L] Radio play [B7L] Miss you all [B7L] video tapes Re: [B7L] video tapes Re: [B7L] Re: Machiavelli Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London [B7L] worst first lines Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem Re: [B7L] Re: Vila's accepting ways Re: [B7L] Re: Machiavelli Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London Re: [B7L] Smoking ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 07:18:07 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Radio play Message-ID: <34FEC22F.2B15@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham Howard wrote: > > Did anyone hear the recently aired BBC radio play of Blakes 7? Paul > Darrow, Michael Keating, Jacqueline Pierce and Steven Pace played > their respective characters, with other actors playing the other main > parts, apart from Blake, who I think was not in the play. > > Apologies if this has already been discussed - I'm new to this list. > > Graham. More importantly, did anyone _tape_ said radio play? And what do us Yanks need to do to get copies? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:47:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: B7 Spin cc: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression and IQ tests Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi everyone, Just responding to people's posts from Lysator about the above topics (I get the digest, so haven't been answering straight away). Iain said: >What makes a measurement scientific is its predictive power. To what extent do you think many psychological theories prove good predictors of human behaviour? (Especially when compared to theories from the physical sciences?) Alison said: >I notice Una is some kind of management consultant. Nothing so grand. Just a lowly researcher. ;) Fran said: >Remember how IQ tests were used to "prove" that black children were less >intelligent that white children? It was then demonstrated that language >and cultural differences were responsible for the lower scores, not lack >of intelligence. You may be interested in: Kamin, L.J. (1974) The Science and Politics of IQ. An excellent discussion of the agendas and dynamics behind IQ testing. Una --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:22:06 +0100 (MET) From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list) Subject: Re: [B7L] Radio play Message-Id: <199803051522.QAA11831@pampus.gns.getronics.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Graham Howard wrote: > > > > Did anyone hear the recently aired BBC radio play of Blakes 7? Paul > > Darrow, Michael Keating, Jacqueline Pierce and Steven Pace played > > their respective characters, with other actors playing the other main > > parts, apart from Blake, who I think was not in the play. > > > > Apologies if this has already been discussed - I'm new to this list. > > > > Graham. > More importantly, did anyone _tape_ said radio play? And what do us > Yanks need to do to get copies? > Even more important: People who forgot to listen and tape it!! Like me. SO Include the Dutch people Jeroen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 98 15:39:00 PST From: "Taylor, Steve [MIS]" To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" , "Jeroen J. Kwast" Subject: Re: [B7L] Radio play Message-ID: <34FF714E@courier.lmu.ac.uk> ->> > Graham. ->> More importantly, did anyone _tape_ said radio play? And what do us ->> Yanks need to do to get copies? ->> -> ->Even more important: People who forgot to listen and tape it!! -> ->Like me. -> -> ->SO Include the Dutch people -> -> ->Jeroen -> I have no direct information but other peole on the list have said that Horison are selling copies of the tape. As are, I believe, the BBC? SteveT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:10:14 GMT From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression and IQ tests Message-Id: <833.9803052110@bscomp.nerc-bas.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: l0A5E+8gflG51QenMVaRnw== Una wrote: > Just responding to people's posts from Lysator about the above topics (I > get the digest, so haven't been answering straight away). > > Iain said: > >What makes a measurement scientific is its predictive power. > > To what extent do you think many psychological theories prove good > predictors of human behaviour? (Especially when compared to theories from > the physical sciences?) > Ooh, now that's a hard one. My understanding of psychological theories is strictly limited. I'm not aware of any grand psychological theory that is good at predicting behaviour. The most effective predictors seem to be empirical rules-of-thumb (at the very basic level, everyone yelps when burnt). There's absolutely nothing wrong with this: science has to start off with a motley collection of apparently unrelated observations, and gradually find the underlying structures. Some people in the social sciences seem to suffer from "physics envy": they don't appreciate that the grand unifying principles of physics emerged very gradually from a lot of smaller-scale work. Mind you, this isn't quite what I was on about. By "predictive power", I really just meant that the corellation between the measurements and some other observable would be the same for all populations (or a sufficiently large subset at least), so that one could then use the measurements to make some statistical prediction of the other observable. IQ and academic performance, for example. This might seem a limited ambition, but it really is the cornerstone of science. > Alison said: > >I notice Una is some kind of management consultant. > > Nothing so grand. Just a lowly researcher. ;) > > > Fran said: > >Remember how IQ tests were used to "prove" that black children were less > >intelligent that white children? It was then demonstrated that language > >and cultural differences were responsible for the lower scores, not lack > >of intelligence. > > You may be interested in: > Kamin, L.J. (1974) The Science and Politics of IQ. > An excellent discussion of the agendas and dynamics behind IQ testing. A book I would recommend that _everybody_ read is "How to lie with statistics" by Darrell Huff. It's short, it's cheap, it's fun and it's essential reading. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 15:38:00 -0800 From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Is a Pattern Developing Here? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Content-Disposition: inline Let me see . . . Vila grabbing hold of "something" to help Avon move the cube; Vila nipping the Boss Dog on the behind... Not only sounds kinky, sounds like the thread of an idea for a story on the Other List. Patti ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 15:44:00 -0800 From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Content-Disposition: inline Okay, so let me understand this. Someone in management, someone actually in business to make money, has been using Myers-Briggs as a mangement tool? I don't know whether that's horrifying or horrifyingly funny. In my office, we use the Darwinian method. If you survive, you get paid on Friday. No dead employees will be paid, not even if they have direct deposit. As for low self-esteem, that's what most of my therapists believed of me most of my life. Hah! A year on Serzone and Lithium, and no low self-esteem. Definitely a chemical problem, thank All the Gods of Eisernon! Patti ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:04:51 -0800 From: Julia Jones To: mailing list Subject: Re: [B7L] Radio play Message-ID: <889143188.2019263.0@jajones.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Jeroen J. Kwast > > Graham Howard wrote: > > > > > > Did anyone hear the recently aired BBC radio play of Blakes 7? Paul > > > Darrow, Michael Keating, Jacqueline Pierce and Steven Pace played > > > their respective characters, with other actors playing the other main > > > parts, apart from Blake, who I think was not in the play. > > > > > > Apologies if this has already been discussed - I'm new to this list. > > > > > > Graham. > > More importantly, did anyone _tape_ said radio play? And what do us > > Yanks need to do to get copies? > > > > Even more important: People who forgot to listen and tape it!! > > Like me. > > > SO Include the Dutch people The official audio tape should "be available at all good bookshops" in the UK, and could be available in places like the ABC shop in Australia, PBS shops in the US, etc. Horizon are selling copies of the official BBC audio tape for eight pounds, which includes UK P&P but is still cheaper than the official price. They have arrangements for overseas fans, details on the website which I don't have bookmarked on this computer, but the address for which can be found on the links page on Judith Proctor's website. Since I have no idea how to stick a clickable web address here, use the one in the sig on Judith's posts. Alternatively, if someone who has their copy of the tape near the computer rather than on the other side of the Atlantic posts the ISBN, you could try an online bookseller like Amazon, or order it through a local bookshop. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 00:33:15 +0000 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] re: Radio Play Message-ID: <34FF444B.5840@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Taylor, Steve [MIS] wrote: > > ->> > Graham. > ->> More importantly, did anyone _tape_ said radio play? And what do us > ->> Yanks need to do to get copies? > ->> > -> > ->Even more important: People who forgot to listen and tape it!! > -> > ->Like me. > -> > -> > ->SO Include the Dutch people > -> > -> > ->Jeroen > -> > > I have no direct information but other peole on the list have said that > Horison are selling copies of the tape. As are, I believe, the BBC? > > SteveT I ordered my copy of the play from: RT Blakes 7 offer JEM House, Little Mead Cranleigh Surry. GU6 8ND or phone (01483) 804488 They accept credit cards. Whether they still have any left, I don`t know, but they did a fortnight after the play was broadcast. Other than that I suggest you phone the BBC mail order dept (number- anyone?), and try and get the play from them. You never know, Deliverance might have a supply, as Diane Gies is Horizon. Bye Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:07:38 -0600 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980305200646.00b97ec4@dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" PATTI McCLELLAN wrote: > Okay, so let me understand this. Someone in management, >someone actually in business to make money, has been using >Myers-Briggs as a mangement tool? If you've managed to miss that phenomenon, consider yourself lucky. Pointy-haired managers all over the US have been trying to use it as a recipe, assuming that if you combine X people of type A with Y people of type B you will automatically have a Good Team, or that a particular person must or must not be suited for a given position on the basis of his or her type. I haven't been subjected to this myself -- it must be the only management fad in the last two decades my company hasn't crawled into bed with -- but I know quite a few people who have. And, to be fair, there are cases of M-B being used in a sensible way by management, unlikely though that might seem. A friend of mine who's retired from the USAF says that there it was used primarily to point out that people do have legitimately different styles of handling tasks. I use it primarily as a nice shorthand for discussing fictional characters. If I see a character as one type and someone else sees him as another, the differences between the types can give some interesting pointers to the different ways we view the character. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:20:44 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Re: Machiavelli Message-ID: <199803052121_MC2-35B6-5BA7@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Narrelle said, re Orbit: >But I thought the basic tenet of Machiavelli was >'the end justifies the means'. Yes, of course, but you're more likely to achieve your end if you do it by intelligent and statesmanlike means, not by prowling round using your best come-out-so-I-can-shoot-you voice. Machiavelli would explain the intelligent and statesmanlike way to persuade your crewmate to come out and get shot. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:27:00 GMT From: sweh@spuddy.mew.co.uk (Stephen Harris) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] New videos Message-ID: Content-Type: text Sorry if this has been brought up on this list already... I've been busy and not keeping up with my mail. Anyway, I was in HMV (Oxford St, London) today and was gob-smacked to see a new release of the videos. 2 episodes a tape. New covers, including limited "glossy/shiney/whatever" edition of 7000. Cover has original transmission date on the back. HMV have tapes 1 and 2, and a special box with them both in one package. -- Stephen Harris sweh@spuddy.mew.co.uk http://www.spuddy.org/ The truth is the truth, and opinion just opinion. But what is what? * Meeeeow ! Call Spud the Cat on > 01268 515441 < for free Usenet access * ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:52:54 -0800 From: "Adam L. Fuller" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Avon's modern day persona Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980305205250.0069c460@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A while back, Paul Darrow was asked who he thinks Avon's modern day persona is, who in the modern world he can be most compared with. Darrow said Bill Clinton and Peter Mandelson, as you all recall, and I think these are completely ludicrous and without much basis. I don't quite understand how he can make such a comparison. He has also been known to suggest Dirty Harry as comparable to Avon, and I just don't know where he gets these crazy ideas from. But comparing him to someone alive today is certainly very interesting. I've been giving it a lot of thought, lately, and it finally occurred to me who Avon's modern day persona is. I've figured it out, and in hindsight I'm embarrassed that I couldn't think of it sooner because it's so obvious - Bill Gates. They are both computer experts who strive for power and domination but aren't terribly interested in politics unless it suits their struggle for power. They treat people as utilities. If someone is competant and brings forth good ideas and special talents, they tolerate them. If not, they rip those subordinates apart by telling them not to waste their time. They also have a soft side. I don't know if Gates does, but it seems like he does, being a family man and all. But still, I think they have a lot in common. -Adam L. Fuller (ENTJ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:13:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Radio play Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu 05 Mar, Helen Krummenacker wrote: > Graham Howard wrote: > > > > Did anyone hear the recently aired BBC radio play of Blakes 7? Paul > > Darrow, Michael Keating, Jacqueline Pierce and Steven Pace played > > their respective characters, with other actors playing the other main > > parts, apart from Blake, who I think was not in the play. > > > > Apologies if this has already been discussed - I'm new to this list. > > > > Graham. > More importantly, did anyone _tape_ said radio play? And what do us > Yanks need to do to get copies? You can buy copies from Horizon and also from the BBC. See my web page http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 under 'merchandise' or Horizon's web page (which is linked from mine) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 23:48:21 -0800 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Miss you all Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980305234821.0072a694@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I miss you all however between school and company visiting for the next 10 days, I won't be here to play and support my cuddly Vila. Be nice to him while I'm gone. Also, in getting ready for the company, I have been cleaning house to the tune of B7. He! He! I am currently listening to Aftermath. Be Afraid. Be very Afraid. Bwhahahahahahahahaha!!!! Hugs to all and see you after March 18th. Tramila Farris ambrov Farris. PS. Part of the company thing includes a Sime~Gen LARP. LARP=Live Action Roleplaying. --------- Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:42:10 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] video tapes Message-Id: <39882694MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> I've now seen the first two B7 video tapes on sale in the new release. The bastards. They've got great new covers. HMV are selling them in a nice cardboard box cover. Woolworths is giving away free collectors postcards with them. All of them trying to tempt me in to owning two sets of B7 videos. I will resist. I WILL RESIST! I got my train tickets to Deliverance in the post today. Only three weeks to go. Eeek! cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "The workers united will never be ignited" Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett ------------------------------ Date: 06 Mar 1998 13:21:11 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] video tapes Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk writes: > I WILL RESIST! I won't. Are they available by mail from anywhere? > I got my train tickets to Deliverance in the post today. Only > three weeks to go. Eeek! I haven't gotten confirmation that my money has reached the Deliverance people yet :-( -- Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:36:25 -0000 From: "Jenni-Alison" To: "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Machiavelli Message-Id: <199803061316.OAA16443@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet wrote: > > Narrelle said, re Orbit: > >But I thought the basic tenet of Machiavelli was > >'the end justifies the means'. > > Yes, of course, but you're more likely to achieve your end if you do it by > intelligent and statesmanlike means, not by prowling round using your best > come-out-so-I-can-shoot-you voice. Machiavelli would explain the > intelligent and statesmanlike way to persuade your crewmate to come out and > get shot. > > Harriet And what is the intelligent and statesmanlike way to persuade your crewmate to come out and get shot? Enquiring minds want to know! Jenni ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:24:48 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London Message-ID: <01bd4907$6d919ca0$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phillipe is enjoying his new bicycle. Got that? Good. We can proceed.. First, an update on the war: "All the rebels want to do is shoot Federation guards. This of course makes the Federation guards very cross, and they shoot Resistance members. By the time the Andromedans arrive, there will be no one left..." I did not pick 'Allo 'Allo entirely because of the studs in black leather. There are definite similarities. A daring band of rebels (the two Resistance groups) struggling against a rather interesting colonial power (the Germans), while the ordinary people, both the oppressed and the military, really couldn't give a damn and just want a peaceful life. ("Rene, you have to stop meeting those naughty Resistance people. Then I will try not to arrest two many Frenchmen, and we can all lead a quiet life.") There is the sharp definition between the power-hungry baddies (the Gestapo) and the ordinary, nice military (the ordinary German soldiers.) And there are some *very* interesting methods of interrogation and torture. ("Helga, if you do not answer my questions, you will have no pudding. And ve are having jam roly-poly." "Oh, Herr Flick, you are a ruthless man!) And, of course, all wimmin under forty are referred to as girls... [Jackie]: >Lizzen verree carefullee, I shall zay zis only vonce. WHERE IS AVON?!! Oops! How could forget him? The primary role of stud in black leather has been given to Servalan already. I guess Avon could be Bobby Cedric "Englebert" Von Smallhausen. Black leather, icy demeanour and wooden acting all accounting for... M. Alfonse? They both tend towards funereal black.. But, really, Avon should be Rene (I wasn't happy with casting Gan in the role. Gan would be better as Hans.) After all, Rene was conscripted into the Resistance against his will, when all he really wanted to do was make lots of money from the German oppressors... And, he's irresistable to wimmin and some men, (altho why he would prefer Yvette over both Maria and Gruber is beyond me.) So the Avon droolers will be happy. >Who are you having as the Italian officer (Wotta mistaka to maka!!) (I >suggest Carnell) Carnell as Bertrolli is an excellent idea. But wouldn't that make Servalan Edith? >What about the German officer "wiz my little tank"? Not guilty! The incredibly camp and sweet-natured Lt. Hubert Gruber was one of my suggestions for Vila (along) with Hans - because they both tend to apologize after shooting people. Also, Gruber is a somewhat neutral party who just wants to have his cognac, get along with people, and maybe have some wild sex with Rene. (Yeah, so I'm an A/V fan. Didn't influence my casting in the least. And we who harbour desires for our thief can take heart - it was actually a rather large tank. I used to wish Gruber would forget Rene and settle down with one of those nice German boys who used to gaze into his eyes when he sang. I didn't expect him to marry Helga, as he did... Any good Vila/Soolin stories around? >And you forgot `er indoors - You stupid woman! :-> Which one? Edith or Fanny? Edith's portrayal always bothered me, it was highly misogynous, and I can't think of an equivalent. And Fanny is a goddess in her own right and does not need recasting. :) >Guud moaning! Aaargh! Travis, of course. >Even the British airmen were not recast! (I suggest Egrorian and Pinder) Brilliant casting! Egorian, being the eldest, would be Fairfax, with Pinder as Carstairs. Maybe you could help me with a few more spare characters... Edith, Maria, Yvette, Lisa, the other LeClerc brother... 'Allo 'Allo had an incredibly large regular cast. And what represents the Fallen Madonna with the Big Boobies? >Jackie >I just loved this show, - every one had their own catch-phrase. "I see flashing knobs!" >"the pill is in the till, and the gateaux is at the chateaux!" To which I reply: "So, somebody must have substituted ze forged painting in the Gestapo sausage for ze real painting in the Gestapo sausage when ze sausage was in ze cafe. Or, ze Resistance substituted ze forged painting for ze real painting in ze Gestapo sausage when they stole ze sausage. Or you, Herr Gruber, wiz your vell known leaning towards art, have substituted ze forged painting for ze real painting when your leetle dog returned the sausage to your quarters, cleverly mincing ze sausage to remove all traces of mein little swastika which I had placed on the side of it, so now I vill never know if it was ze Gestapo sausage or just any old sausage!" It was a *very* complicated show. - XXX Lindley "Yes! I will sacrifice my knickers for France!" Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:17:50 +1000 From: "Roger The Shrubber" To: "B7 Main List" Subject: [B7L] worst first lines Message-Id: <199803061401.BAA17029@budapest.ozonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit loved Judith's collection of worst first lines. Reminded me of a scenario someone contributed to the old Marvel B7 magazine. Blake & Vila teleport down to a planet. Vila says "I don't like the look of this place" Blake agrees. "Yes, let's get out of here" And they teleport back up. End of story. ___________________________________ from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome ! powerplay@cheerful.com ____________________________________ "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." --Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp.,1977 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:04:33 -0000 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem Message-ID: <889193475.2016410.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa said - > And, to be fair, there are cases of M-B being used in a sensible way by > management, unlikely though that might seem. A friend of mine who's retired > from the USAF says that there it was used primarily to point out that > people do have legitimately different styles of handling tasks. My mum, who is a vicar, went on a training course where they use Myers-briggs to study different styles of praying Alison ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:28:45 +1100 (EST) From: werry@netspace.net.au (John Werry) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila's accepting ways Message-Id: <199803061428.BAA05419@hurricane.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila's accepting ways >Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980303172234.006b55f0@succeed.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >At 07:25 PM 3/3/98 +1000, you wrote: >>Jay said: >>>Some things I find too hard to forgive. I don't think I would have ever >>>forgived Avon if he ever tried to space me, although I wouldn't have stayed >>>mad at him for long. My trust would have been broken and I probably would >>>have asked for a lift to the nearest pleasure planet. >> >>Well, I suppose I was being a bit facetious. Only people you really care >>about can hurt you enough that you can't forgive. A stranger doesn't know >>the vulnerable points the way your best friends do. But still... I never >>saw those two as the very very best of friends (snip) >I think that Vila would have learned to trust Avon again (as much as he >ever did, anyway!), and work with him again, but deep down he would still >have a part of him that would never forgive Avon for the shuttle incident. >I know I couldn't fully forgive anyone. One of the more persistant rumours that I have encountered about the B7 series was that of the alleged cut in Orbit. I have had from 4 unconnected sources that Vila's face was supposed to be tear streaked when the action tracked to his hidey hole in the upstairs cupboard. This was meant to show his feelings re the betrayal from someone he put his allegence & trust into. I have been told that this scene was cut to maintain a PG rating - the inclusion of this scene would have boosted the rating to an M rating. Is this true or have I been fed a lot of nonsense? Regards. John - who has has a Travis of a Day. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:05:51 -0000 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Machiavelli Message-ID: <889193456.2016320.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Narrelle said, re Orbit: > >But I thought the basic tenet of Machiavelli was > >'the end justifies the means'. Harriet > Yes, of course, but you're more likely to achieve your end if you do it by > intelligent and statesmanlike means, not by prowling round using your best > come-out-so-I-can-shoot-you voice. Machiavelli would explain the > intelligent and statesmanlike way to persuade your crewmate to come out and > get shot. Yes, I was thinking that Machiavelli would try to persuade Vila that he was doing him the favour of allowing himself to be sacrificed for the greater good. Hey - it's not impossible- people buy this line of reasoning all the time. In fact I was reminded of an old Pete and Dud sketch something as follows: 'Ah, Perkins, what the war needs now is a futile gesture' 'Sah!' 'Go over to no-man's land, take a bit of a look round. And Perkins..' 'Sah?' '..don't come back.' Alison ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 08:36:14 -0600 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980306083606.0057b3d0@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Alison Page wrote: >My mum, who is a vicar, went on a training course where they use >Myers-briggs to study different styles of praying Well, there's always the infamous M-B Types Prayers list, though it's probably not quite what your mother's course had in mind. (Can be found at , among other places.) - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com or lcw@dallas.net Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:39:57 -0600 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem Message-ID: <000801bd490d$be4cf940$660114ac@misnt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, so let me understand this. Someone in management, someone actually in business to make money, has been using Myers-Briggs as a mangement tool? I don't know whether that's horrifying or horrifyingly funny. In my office, we use the Darwinian method. If you survive, you get paid on Friday. No dead employees will be paid, not even if they have direct deposit. Well, I worked as an independent contractor for a while, and I assure you this is not an uncommon practice. Luckily (maybe) I was not usually a permanent employee, so I never had to spend a day and a half taking the test at a snail's pace and finding out in detail all the delightfully mundane details of how the ditzy receptionist's results matched, "like so close to my life". Well I did have to endure hearing about it somewhat, management used this to justify alot of personality conflicts, and paired them up anyway. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 98 14:29:00 PST From: "Taylor, Steve [MIS]" To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London Message-ID: <350079F9@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Lost track of the names ->>Lizzen verree carefullee, I shall zay zis only vonce. WHERE IS AVON?!! -> ->Oops! How could forget him? -> ->The primary role of stud in black ->leather has been given to Servalan ->already. I guess Avon could be ->Bobby Cedric "Englebert" ->Von Smallhausen. Black leather, ->icy demeanour and wooden acting ->all accounting for... -> No - Avon is Yvette (actually its more the thought of her in black leather....) - cunning, manipulative, always gets what she wants:-) Steve T PS anyone want to start a Dad's Army cross-over! - I would but I'm not that good at this sort of thing! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:21:20 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Smoking Message-ID: <01bd490f$5378ba80$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patti's message answered fully off list and on the spin list. I am sorry if anyone thought I was mocking addiction, but I can't truthfully revise my opinion that smoking is a nasty, self-destructive, futile and above all smelly habit. And that a Goddess like Soolin would never, ever... I also want to point out that Darren and I were just fooling around! Oh, and all the above was In My Honest Opinion. I'm not even sure if it's possible to *have* a dishonest opinion... - XXX Lindley Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." - -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #75 *************************************