From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #76 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/76 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 76 Today's Topics: [B7L] Video tapes Re: [B7L] Smoking/Addiction Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London Re: [B7L] Miss you all [B7L] Re: Machiavelli [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London Re: [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L]:Servers Re: [B7L]:Servers [B7L] What is going on here? [B7L] B7 and Dad's Army Re: [B7L] What is going on here? [B7L] Decisions, decisions Re: [B7L] What is going on here? [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] Re: [B7L] B7 and Dad's Army [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] [B7L] Re: [B7L] video tapes [B7L] Re: [B7L] Smoking/Addiction [B7L] Re: [B7L] video tapes [B7L] Original Costumes Re: [B7L] What is going on here? Re: [B7L] Re: Vila's accepting ways Re: [B7L] Decisions, decisions [B7L] worst first lines Re: [B7L] Decisions, decisions [B7L] unwanted message [B7L] (no subject) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 15:06:22 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Video tapes Message-Id: <39885970MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Sorry if people have already got this post but my computer crashed the first time I sent it and I'm not sure if it went through: I've now seen the first two B7 video tapes on sale in the new release. The bastards. They've got great new covers. HMV are selling them in a nice cardboard box cover. Woolworths is giving away free collectors postcards with them. All of them trying to tempt me in to owning two sets of B7 videos. I will resist. I WILL RESIST! I got my train tickets to Deliverance in the post today. Only three weeks to go. Eeek! cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "The workers united will never be ignited" Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:27:46 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: Cc: "B7 Spin List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Smoking/Addiction Message-ID: <01bd4910$39086dc0$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [I'm cc-ing this to the Spin list,] Dear Patti: first of all, my intent was not to offend. That's why I put my disclaimer at the front. Any smoker or non-smoking likely to be offended by a passionate anti-smoker mucking about on the topic of B7 and smoking had a fair chance to press delete. I *am* sorry if I caused pain, but such was not my intent. [Patti]: << How to approach this? Having been offended myself, I have no desire to be offensive in turn. Perhaps, he jests at scars who never felt a wound? I am a recovered alcoholic -- it will be 28 years at the end of May. I am also an ex-smoker. I assure you I have an excellent I.Q. That has NOTHING to do with addiction.>> If you mean me - and I'm a she - feel free to be offensive. It's the B7 list. I expect it. I don't think intelligence is linked to addiction. I think intelligence (and selfishness) are linked to whether you decide to put something you know is addictive, harmful and plain smelly into your lungs in the first place. And sure, you can still have a high IQ and do something dumb. And, yes, I've felt the wounds, which is *why* I'm so bitter. I've already lost two family members to smoking-related diseases, and the absolute FUTILITY of dying for something useless that makes half the population shudder when you do it near them is tragic. Suffering from chronic disease, pain and disability, I am especially aware of people who endanger their health by not taking responsibility for their own well-being. You're right, though - I've never been drunk, I've never smoked or taken recreational drugs. Although I take morphine when the pain becomes unbearable and tranquillisers when the depression becomes unbearable, I take them only when I *need* to, never just when I feel depressed and in pain and *want* to. I take care of myself, and, yes, I'm proud of that. <> I wasn't observing addiction. I was kidding around with Darren about whether B7 chaarcters would smoke, for the Goddesses sake. Smoking is a nasty, anti-social, self-destructive "leisure activity," and it's damned hard for me to respect. It also seems to make a certain kind of person utterly obnoxious, using their persecution complexes to justify blowing smoke into the faces of serious asthmatics like my mother, or posioning their own baby. I'm sorry for your pain, but that doesn't mean I suddenly think smoking is a banned topic for mucking about. I admire Soolin, in particular, immensely (has anyone guessed?) and no, I can't see her smoking. She's eminently sensible - a woman with enough self control to wait until she was the best before getting revenge would be unlikely to light that first fag, take that first snort, whatever. And contempt and compassion are not mutually exclusive. Just becuase I watched my best friend destroy her chances at her new job by being stupid didn't mean I didn't weep in sympathy when she was fired. I'm sorry for anyone genuinely struggling with addiction, but there are also a lot of "social" smokers who haven't even tried to give up. - XXX Lindley Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:40:49 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: "Taylor, Steve [MIS]" , Subject: Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London Message-ID: <01bd4912$0c02f000$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Steve Taylor]: >No - Avon is Yvette (actually its more the thought of her in black >leather....) - cunning, manipulative, always gets what she wants:-) ROFL. But Yvette is so - so - unattractive, Lindley moans, wondering once more at the vast differences between what different people find sexy. (Maria, Helga, Herr Flick, Michelle and Lt. Gruber were the ones that hit my trigger. And some of the German soldier extras.) 'Course, Avon would look cute in that little French maid uniform. Helga was the *truly* cunning one. She maneuvred herself into a win-win situation - if Herr Flick got the real painting, she'd let him marry her, if the Colonel got the painting, he'd promised to share the profits with her. And she was always so icily self-controlled - unless there was a chance of being interrogated, of course. She was a real Soolin avatar. What really amazes me was no matter how many times Helga betrayed both sides, neither seemd to bear any grudge. Of course, this is completely off-topic - I just find those two fascinating. Oh, I found a role for Lisa. In the episode shown last night, it was *Lisa* who had her arm around Michelle's waist. If Blake is Michelle - "Blake of the Rebels, Blake the living legend, Blake who appears out of the darkness like a shadow and strikes fear into the heart of the Federation and collaborators alike" - and Jenna is 'Enriette, then Lisa is that kid Blake had a fling with in "Hostage." >Steve T > >PS anyone want to start a Dad's Army cross-over! - I would but I'm not that >good at this sort of thing! From your Avon/Yvette entry, I'd beg to differ with your over-modesty... I'd love to see one too, but I'm not as obsessively over-familiar with Dad's Army as I am with 'Allo 'Allo. - XXX Lindley Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:48:54 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Miss you all Message-ID: <01bd4913$2d414360$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Tramila]: >I miss you all however between school and company visiting for the next 10 >days, I won't be here to play and support my cuddly Vila. Be nice to him >while I'm gone. *Nice* to him? Bang goes my fantasy involving the leather handcuffs, corkscrew, bed of nails and small kitten, then. Never mind. I'm first in line to give him a comforting cuddle, then. "Orbit" always makes me want to hug him hard to make him feel better. And seeing the situations were similar (from his point of view, anyway) in "City," I can understand why Kerril flipped over him so quickly. Actually, I could understand it anyway... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:05:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Re: Machiavelli Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Harrit said: >Narrelle said, re Orbit: >>But I thought the basic tenet of Machiavelli was >>'the end justifies the means'. >Yes, of course, but you're more likely to achieve your end if you do it >by.intelligent and statesmanlike means, not by prowling round using your >best.come-out-so-I-can-shoot-you voice. Machiavelli would explain the >intelligent and statesmanlike way to persuade your crewmate to come out >and get shot. And don't forget Machiavelli's other point - 'present it well enough and people will be persuaded of anything!' (Somewhat paraphrased)... Una --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:33:20 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061533.JAA14525@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:34:00 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061534.JAA14663@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:41:30 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061541.JAA15957@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:42:33 -0000 From: "Jenni-Alison" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London Message-Id: <199803061542.QAA27009@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lindley asked: > And what represents the Fallen > Madonna with the Big Boobies? How about The Liberator with the big Nacelles? Jenni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:54:35 -0700 (MST) From: The Doctor To: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061554.IAA12176@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calle, what isthe point of these blank messages? > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:57:40 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061557.JAA18733@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:17:11 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061617.KAA21635@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:18:57 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061618.KAA21933@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:24:44 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061624.KAA22915@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:29:32 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061629.KAA23951@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 16:32:42 -0800 From: "J. I. Horner" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L]:Servers Message-ID: <350095AA.4AF0@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry if this subject is now a little past its 'Best Before' date but I just saw an article in Computer Weekly yesterday concerning the names people give to their servers. Someone called Concord Communications carried out a 'Name That Server' survey and found that 80% of IT staff named their servers after something totally unrelated to work. No mention was made of Orac, Zen or Slave but it did say that Star Trek characters featured particularly strongly. The example I particularly liked was the respondent who named his servers Anthrax, Ebola and Scurvy in the hope of scaring away lesser viruses. (Is scurvy a virus? I thought it was brought on by not eating enough Vitamin C) Julie Horner ------------------------------ Date: 06 Mar 1998 17:57:40 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]:Servers Message-ID: "J. I. Horner" writes: > The example I particularly liked was the respondent who named his servers > Anthrax, Ebola and Scurvy in the hope of scaring away lesser viruses. Not long ago we got five new Sun workstations. I wanted to name them Death, War, Famine, Pestilence and Microsoft, but the boss-type vetoed it. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:47:01 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] What is going on here? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Why am I getting all of these empty messages from blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se mailed to this list? Am I the only one getting this or is everybody having the same problem? I opened up my email and it said I had 55 new messages, and I just checked them last night. For a second there, I thought that I had become a very popular person overnight!! WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?? --Grace Robbins Introverted iNtuitive Feeling Judge robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:39:19 -0000 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] B7 and Dad's Army Message-ID: <889206172.202248.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I think the most obvious parallel between Dad's army and Blakes 7 is Sergeant Wilson. - he's the most intelligent and well educated man in the platoon - he doesn't care who knows it - he likes to make withering remarks directed at the incompetence of the man in charge - he is emotionally reserved - he is the most attractive to women I rest my case. He is however much politer than Avon ('do you think that's awfully *wise* sir?') in a manner which suggests passive aggression. Avon's aggression was never that passive as far as I recall. I seem to remember Wilson didn't like to carry a gun, which is another pretty glaring discrepency. This makes Blake = Mainwaring. Well, there are some pretty strong similarities. 'Fall in men, and I'll explain what we are going to do.' The clincher is how infuriated he gets with Wilson. Others in brief: Cally has to be Frasier the undertaker ('we're all doomed') on account of he likes to suggest that he understands the dark forces of the spirit world. Gan has to be - whassis name? - Sponge, who hangs around in the background without really joining in. Vila is Walker, a perfectly able-bodied man who has never done an honest day's work in his life. Jones, belligerent and over-active in a way reminiscent of Scrappy Doo, could be Dayna. I could be persuaded that he is actually Tarrant except that 'They don't like it up 'em' would clearly be an inappropriate catch-phrase in that context. Alison ------------------------------ Date: 06 Mar 1998 19:02:59 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: "G. Robbins" Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] What is going on here? Message-ID: "G. Robbins" writes: > WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?? Someone is sending completely empty messages to the list, not even with the normal set of headers in them. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se Please pay no attention to the panda in the fridge. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:06:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Decisions, decisions Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Right, it's decision time! I have to figure out what I'm doing on the last weekend in March, and I think you lot can help. Really it's a question of how long to spend at deliverance: the convention fees are OK, but the hotel rate starts to mount up. At the moment, attending on Saturday and Sunday, staying in the hotel Saturday night, looks pretty affordable. If I were to stretch my budget a bit, what would be the best investment? Friday evening - Sunday evening or Saturday afternoon - Monday morning? I've never been to a con before, so I'm in the dark a bit here. I'm imagining something like an astronomy conference, but with fewer lectures and better dress sense. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:27:49 -0600 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] What is going on here? Message-ID: <026501bd492d$91f488c0$660114ac@misnt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Why am I getting all of these empty messages from >blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se mailed to this list? Am I the only one >getting this or is everybody having the same problem? I opened up my >email and it said I had 55 new messages, and I just checked them last >night. For a second there, I thought that I had become a very popular >person overnight!! > >WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?? > I'm getting the exact same problem. It's getting annoying. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:39:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator cc: B7 Spin Subject: [B7L] Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Iain said: >Some people in the social sciences seem to suffer from "physics envy": >they don't appreciate that the grand unifying principles of physics >emerged very gradually from a lot of smaller-scale work. Spot on! They're also involved in an act of legitimization: 'If we call it 'science' it's gotta to be true...' The actual 'science' behind a lot of psychological research is, to my mind, questionable. >Mind you, this isn't quite what I was on about. By "predictive power", I >really just meant that the corellation between the measurements and some >other observable would be the same for all populations (or a sufficiently >large subset at least), so that one could then use the measurements to >make some statistical prediction of the other observable. IQ and academic >performance, for example. Ah yes, but IQ also correlates with other variables such as social class (depending on how you tweak your experimental design!!). As I think Fran pointed out, IQ measuring was used to 'prove scientifically' that blacks were less intelligent than whites. I think it's essential to be aware of the power issues behind claims to scientific legitimacy. [Going back to my 'tweaking' point: it's interesting when you read papers that try to tell you what are the most effective means of psychological 'intervention' (*lurve* that word!) for 'illnesses' such as depression you don't find much in the way of consensus. Depending on what you stick in the experiment you get a whole load of different answers: therapy, drugs, bit of both... Even the control where people simply have a chat with their doctor once a week made a lot of people feel better. This is why the idea of salience is so interesting... And don't forget what a pisser this is for psychologists: how can you justify spending all that money on researching treatments for depression when your experiments seem to be saying that all people need is a bit of a cry and a pat on the back (which I'm *not* suggesting before the firing squad pops up!!!!)? All these damn experiments conclude with demands for more resources and funding for these people to pour into their experiments, and not a flicker of doubt that perhaps they're approaching the 'problem' in the wrong way!! OK, rant mode off now!!] Back to Iain's remarks... There is also a question of what is actually being observed. I *don't* believe that in IQ tests we are observing and measuring intelligence, whatever that might be. Physics is increasingly concerned with the interplay and the fuzziness between subject and object. It strikes me that such a concern should be fundamental when what is being observed is another human being. Here endeth the second lesson! 'Una' "I'm so pretentious that everything has to be in inverted commas" 'McCormack' PS Apparently you can get a pair of bookends which are inverted commas which, when put round your books, make your entire library ironic! ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:56:56 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061556.JAA18554@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:49:30 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061549.JAA17032@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:49:28 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061549.JAA17019@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:49:17 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061549.JAA16946@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:49:21 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061549.JAA16977@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:35:00 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061535.JAA14768@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:28 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA18980@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:47:42 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061547.JAA16758@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:47:22 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061547.JAA16615@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:50:09 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061550.JAA17247@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:15 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA18912@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:50:12 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061550.JAA17336@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:55:37 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061555.JAA18377@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:55:07 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061555.JAA18216@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:34 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA19027@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:45:28 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061545.JAA16389@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:35:05 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061535.JAA14795@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:49:58 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061549.JAA17111@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:55:39 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061555.JAA18397@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:37 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA19048@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:31 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA19005@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:47:28 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061547.JAA16670@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:45:26 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061545.JAA16375@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:58:55 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 and Dad's Army Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980306115855.006ad3b4@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:39 PM 3/6/98 -0000, you wrote: >Well, I think the most obvious parallel between Dad's army and Blakes 7 is >Sergeant Wilson. > >- he's the most intelligent and well educated man in the platoon >- he doesn't care who knows it >- he likes to make withering remarks directed at the incompetence of the >man in charge >- he is emotionally reserved >- he is the most attractive to women > >I rest my case. He is however much politer than Avon ('do you think that's >awfully *wise* sir?') in a manner which suggests passive aggression. Avon's >aggression was never that passive as far as I recall. I seem to remember >Wilson didn't like to carry a gun, which is another pretty glaring >discrepency. > >This makes Blake = Mainwaring. Well, there are some pretty strong >similarities. 'Fall in men, and I'll explain what we are going to do.' The >clincher is how infuriated he gets with Wilson. > >Others in brief: > >Cally has to be Frasier the undertaker ('we're all doomed') on account of >he likes to suggest that he understands the dark forces of the spirit >world. > >Gan has to be - whassis name? - Sponge, who hangs around in the background >without really joining in. > >Vila is Walker, a perfectly able-bodied man who has never done an honest >day's work in his life. These are perfect!! > >Jones, belligerent and over-active in a way reminiscent of Scrappy Doo, >could be Dayna. I could be persuaded that he is actually Tarrant except >that 'They don't like it up 'em' would clearly be an inappropriate >catch-phrase in that context. Or maybe Soolin? Always ready with her gun. I was thinking Pike was Tarrant, mainly because of the youthful looks, but I can't see Tarrant running home to ask his Mum everytime they go out. :-) Servalan has to be Mr. Hodges, always barging in and spoiling their day. Which makes Travis the vicar or the verger. Which leaves Jenna, and the old, old guy who makes the cucumber sandwiches. Jay 100% Avon > >Alison > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:24 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA18957@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:57 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA19146@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:50:06 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061550.JAA17171@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:40 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA19075@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:47:25 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061547.JAA16642@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 12:04:51 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] video tapes Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980306120451.006af808@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:42 AM 3/6/98 GMT, you wrote: >I've now seen the first two B7 video tapes on sale in the new >release. The bastards. They've got great new covers. HMV are >selling them in a nice cardboard box cover. Woolworths is >giving away free collectors postcards with them. All of them >trying to tempt me in to owning two sets of B7 videos. I will >resist. I WILL RESIST! How much are they? This might call for a quick phone call to Mum to nip down to Woolies for me. Jay 100% Avon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:35:20 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061535.JAA14883@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 12:10:04 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Smoking/Addiction Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980306121004.006b2c78@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:27 AM 3/7/98 +1030, you wrote: >[I'm cc-ing this to the Spin list,] Sorry if I sound a thickie, but how do I get onto the Spin List? Thanks Jay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:45:23 -0600 (CST) From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Message-Id: <199803061545.JAA16357@dragon.ti.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:20:44 -0600 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] video tapes Message-ID: <001701bd493d$580caba0$660114ac@misnt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >At 11:42 AM 3/6/98 GMT, Jay wrote: >>I've now seen the first two B7 video tapes on sale in the new >>release. The bastards. They've got great new covers. HMV are >>selling them in a nice cardboard box cover. Woolworths is >>giving away free collectors postcards with them. All of them >>trying to tempt me in to owning two sets of B7 videos. I will >>resist. I WILL RESIST! > >How much are they? This might call for a quick phone call to Mum to nip >down to Woolies for me. > > Any chance anyone has a scanner and could let us US types get to see the new covers? Reuben reuben@reuben.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:16:32 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Original Costumes Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anybody know what happened to these original costumes? Who has them or have they disapeared? 1. The costume Cally wore in "Killer". It was a maroon crushed velvet dress that I really liked. There were only two scenes of her in it, as far as I can remember (didn't see much of her in that episode), and I would really like to know what happened to it. 2. Avon's "Ugly-Red-Leather-Mummy-Suit" top. I've had private fantasies of burning it but I probably wouldn't if it came down to it. Even though I hate it, I'd probably want to keep it, just because it was one of his outfits. Oh, and I'd deffinately keep the matching pants. Those would hold a special place in my shrine! (Just joking) If anybody knows, please inform me! Also, my web page is updated now and there have been a lot of changes in format. Stop on by if you've got the time! --Grace Robbins Introverted iNtuitive Feeling Judge robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:35:05 -0000 From: "Val Westall" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] What is going on here? Message-Id: <199803062138.VAA27619@zen.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit v.westall@zen.co.uk ---------- > From: G. Robbins > > Why am I getting all of these empty messages from > blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se mailed to this list? Am I the only one > getting this or is everybody having the same problem? I opened up my > email and it said I had 55 new messages, and I just checked them last > night. For a second there, I thought that I had become a very popular > person overnight!! > > WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?? > > Just to let you know that I am experiencing exactly the same thing. Two hours ago I received 6 of these blank messages and just now I logged on and received a further 28! Can anything be done to stop anymore of these messages? Cheers, (from someone who is usually a lurker!), Val. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:09:38 -0600 From: "Lorna B." To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila's accepting ways Message-Id: <199803070012.SAA03381@pemberton.magnolia.net> John wrote: >One of the more persistant rumours that I have encountered about the B7 >series was that of the alleged cut in Orbit. I have had from 4 unconnected >sources that Vila's face was supposed to be tear streaked when the action >tracked to his hidey hole in the upstairs cupboard. This was meant to show >his feelings re the betrayal from someone he put his allegence & trust into. >I have been told that this scene was cut to maintain a PG rating - the >inclusion of this scene would have boosted the rating to an M rating. >Is this true or have I been fed a lot of nonsense? Well, I think Keating and Vere Lorrimer have said the same--that TPTB found it "too real" to broadcast. Well, it was seen as a kids' show, after all. I don't think they had PG ratings and such, though. Or maybe they did--anyone here in the know? And there is a delicious photo in one of the Marvel Monthlies that shows Vila crouched on the deck of the shuttle after Avon has gone back to the flight deck, obviously sobbing his little heart out. Beautifully angsty. Damn, I wish they'd left that in the telecast! Lorna B. "You ever flown a flying saucer? After that, sex seems trite." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:50:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Mary W O'Connor" To: Iain Coleman cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Decisions, decisions Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Right, it's decision time! > > I have to figure out what I'm doing on the last weekend in March, and I > think you lot can help. Really it's a question of how long to spend at > deliverance: the convention fees are OK, but the hotel rate starts to > mount up. They sure do, but it is important to be on site. >At the moment, attending on Saturday and Sunday, staying in the > hotel Saturday night, looks pretty affordable. If I were to stretch my > budget a bit, what would be the best investment? Friday evening - Sunday > evening or Saturday afternoon - Monday morning? > > I've never been to a con before, so I'm in the dark a bit here. I'm > imagining something like an astronomy conference, but with fewer lectures > and better dress sense. Your are going to have fun! You are going to be sorry you didn't go to the whole thing. Take a camera. I am hoping to get pictures of as many people from this list as I can. The trick will be to remember names and faces. :-) Remember to talk to strangers. Look for me in one of my costumes, Jenna - Bounty, Cally - Redemption, Servalan - Project Avalon, Avon - Terminal or Horizon. Remember, you are going to have fun! See you there, Mary O'Connor zvs225@freenet.mb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:37:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] worst first lines Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Soolin froze. 'I can't teleport down yet - I haven't restyled my hair this week.' It was a dark and stormy night. There were three men in a spaceship. One of them turned to the others and said, 'Let me tell you a story. It was a dark and stormy night..' Avon looked over the clothes room, looking at all the comfortable pastel track suits on offer. 'All right, Zen,' he said, 'you've had your little joke. Now put them all back again before I redesign you into a drinks dispenser.' Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 08:03:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Decisions, decisions Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 06 Mar, Iain Coleman wrote: > Right, it's decision time! > > I have to figure out what I'm doing on the last weekend in March, and I > think you lot can help. Really it's a question of how long to spend at > deliverance: the convention fees are OK, but the hotel rate starts to > mount up. At the moment, attending on Saturday and Sunday, staying in the > hotel Saturday night, looks pretty affordable. If I were to stretch my > budget a bit, what would be the best investment? Friday evening - Sunday > evening or Saturday afternoon - Monday morning? Well, you'll be in the overflow hotel whatever happens as the main one is full. Thus, you can always consider the option of trying to find cheap B+B. Me, I always stay as long as possible if I have friends at a convention. (and if I don't have frineds at the start, then I usually do by the end) Friday evening probably have a slight edge over Sunday evenings if you can only manage one extra night, but this looks to be a busy con, so I don't expect there to be much in it. (Poor cons wind down early - I don't expect Deliverance to be a poor con) > > I've never been to a con before, so I'm in the dark a bit here. I'm > imagining something like an astronomy conference, but with fewer lectures > and better dress sense. If you have web access, go and read the convention section of my page. I keep various people's diaries of past conventions there. Deliverance is trying to do a lot more than just guest talks (cons that have nothing but guest talks tend to be low down on my list of favourites). Expect debates on various topics, workshops on how to do various things, entertaining/silly activities, fancy dress competition, lots of guests talking about their time on the series and answering questions from the audience. Then add in long conversations on almost every topic under the sun with fans you happen to bump into. I can recall long debates about Servalan held in hotel corridors, in depth analyses of Avon held in conversations in hotel rooms, pillow fights with my room mate (I *always* share a room with a friend if I can), hysterical sessions composing filk songs over meals, happy chats putting faces to people I'd only known via e-mail, zapping random people with my Liberator gun, discussing slash fiction at two o'clock in the morning and still being awake for breakfast the next day, discussing Zen's possible origins when almost voiceless, humping my long-suffering concertina around while trying to find somewhere to indulge in filing, dreaming up a silly skit for the fancy dress competition, etc. and that's before one even takes the guests into consideration! (I've been to a couple of excellent cons that had no guests at all) The best things at cons are other fans. Wear your badge where it is easily visible and read the names of everyone you pass. First con I ever went to, I was queueing at the hotel registration and met two people whose names I knew from this list. After that, it was plain sailing all the way. If you see somebody dressed in Avon's outfit from 'Gold' then it's probably me. Failing that, I'll be in a 'Redemption' sweatshirt. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 01:20:50 +1100 From: Fran Myers To: B7 Subject: [B7L] unwanted message Message-ID: <350157C2.19DE@ozemail.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a theory! Someone is trying to join but they are putting the "request" in the address instead of the subject line. blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se Fran ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:45:51 +0000 From: Jill Beach To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] (no subject) Message-ID: <35016BAF.3E12@mcmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #76 *************************************