From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #86 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/86 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 86 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Dreams [B7L] Re: Best Episodes Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Dreams Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Dreams Re: [B7L] Best episodes Re: [B7L] Darrow just doesn't get it. [B7L] SPOILER Guards! Guards! Re: [B7L] Avon [B7L] Tonya & SC RE: [B7L] Re: B7 Dreams [B7L] Cricket (was Re: B7 Dreams) [B7L] Guards! Guards! [B7L] Harriet's Dream [B7L] Re Best episodes Re: [B7L] SPOILER Guards! Guards! Re: [B7L] Best episodes [B7L] Guards! Guards! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:22:39 -0000 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Dreams Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet wrote about her dream: > 4. Full marks again for tipping the Dalek over while you were on the > floor, but try to roll it so that the exterminator is pointing at the > floor - less alarming for the person with the corrosive acid. Your subconscious obviously knows better than you do - the front of a Dalek is the pointy bit - you'll never be able to roll it over so it stays on its front - it'll always roll back onto its side. Might be an idea to stay behind it, though. Quite amusing, actually - it will be able to swivel its eye-stalk round and watch you as you slowly pour the can of gold dust over it. Oh no, that's Cybermen isn't it? > 5. Try to have your pace bowler on hand in the first place - a lot > of time is wasted climbing down a broken lift in search of Bob Willis. > > Bob Willis? Golly, this dream was more complicated than I remembered. > Anyway, I think they all survived (except for the Dalek). Your dream is obviously of the devious twisted sort. What plot device did it use to need a Bob Willis? I mean - what happened to the Richie Benaud that Vila always keeps in his toolbox? Sure it's old and a little worn, but I'm sure even a Benaud would be sufficient against a Dalek, especially one who's never even played internationally. Even with a county average of 35, it's just not going to stand up to even a half-competent spinner. And this is Vila's spinner, remember - that man could take 5 for 22 with a rotten kiwi. Tom Forsyth. P.S. any comments to the effect that all Kiwis are rotten will not be tolerated. I'm sure they can play perfectly well. It just takes a little faith. And patience. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:29:45 -0500 (EST) From: brent@ntr.net To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Best Episodes Message-Id: <199803182329.SAA03249@rome.ntr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve wrote: >Readers are invited to send in their own favourite episodes of >their top ten shows. I've voted for: > >Blake's 7 - Star One >Doomwatch - Survival Code >Quantum Leap - The Colour of Truth >X-Files - Home >Star Trek (TNG) - Chain of Command >Fawlty Towers - The Rat >Red Dwarf - Backwards >Dr Who - Paradise Towers >Babylon 5 - Z'ha'dum >Xena - The Debt > >Grab a copy and vote (don't forget to let us all know what you >voted for). Being in the USA, I can't pick one up and vote, but if I could . . . Blake's 7 - Star One or Blake -so very close The Prisoner - Hammer Into Anvil Dr Who - Impossible to narrow down to one, but The Caves of Androzani Part 4 takes my single episode award. Babylon 5 - Severed Dreams Twin Peaks - Episode 2016 X-Files - Pusher Strange Luck - Brothers Grim Quantum Leap - Black on White on Fire Nowhere Man - Gemini General Hospital - er, how did this get on my list? Unfortunately, Doomwatch never made it to my public station before they stopped showing British sci-fi. At least I got Dr. Who, Blake's 7, and Red Dwarf long enough to see them all (or in Dr. Who's case, what wasn't destroyed by the BBC). Star Cops was to be their next series, but it never came to pass. :( Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:34:29 -0000 From: "Jenni-Alison" To: "Blake's 7 Lysator List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Dreams Message-Id: <199803182336.AAA10814@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tonya asked: > This reminds me of a question I meant to ask this group months ago: Has > anyone ever had any B7 dreams, and if so, what were they like? I had a very vivid, detailed plot dream, a while after watching the whole series. I was in it (of course) and it had a weird mix of second and third season crew. I think I died in it, but the end it wasn't very clear - it sort of faded out while the story was still happening. Very strange. I remember every detail so vividly I havn't even written it down - I can replay it in my head like watching one of the videos...except the end. Probably a pirate copy ;-) Jenni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:47:05 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Dreams Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tom wibbled: > And this >is Vila's spinner, remember - that man could take 5 for 22 with a rotten >kiwi. Do you mean the bird or the fruit? I'm assuming from the absence of upper case that you're not referring to the nationality ;-) >P.S. any comments to the effect that all Kiwis are rotten will not be >tolerated. Jolly good. I'm sure they can play perfectly well. It just takes a little >faith. And patience. Yeah, just ask the Zimbabweans. I'm sure we beat 'em at least once. ;-) ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:56:39 -0000 From: "Dangermouse" To: , Subject: Re: [B7L] Best episodes Message-Id: <199803182349.XAA24392@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The UK Cult Times magazine spring special is devoted to best > episodes and has a section on Blake's 7. It says the five best > episodes are Rumours of Death, Gambit, Orbit, Sarcophagus > and Blake. Orbit? > Readers are invited to send in their own favourite episodes of > their top ten shows. I've voted for: B7- Rumours Of Death Dr Who- Talons Of Weng Chiang TOS- Spectre Of The Gun TNG- The Inner Light DS9- The Visitor X Files- Bad Blood B5- Severed Dreams The Goodies- Bunfight At The OK Tea Rooms Only Fools And Horses- The Jolly Boys Outing The Avengers- tie between The Hidden Tiger and Murdersville ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:58:54 -0000 From: "Dangermouse" To: "RatterTat" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Darrow just doesn't get it. Message-Id: <199803182349.XAA24395@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > My goodness, how time flies when you're having fun. I didn't realize it was > already Darrow-bashing time again. I said "That day". Most of the time I'm quite a fan - along with Tom Baker's Dr Who, and Graeme Garden in The Goodies, Avon's one of my childhood role models... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:26:38 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: Space City Cc: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] SPOILER Guards! Guards! Message-ID: <199803182027_MC2-3745-2C6B@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Opening night of Guards! Guards! in Blackpool, starring Paul Darrow as Captain Vimes. As attended by Sandy Douglas, Pat Fenech, Christine Lacey, Harriet Monkhouse and (a Pratchett but non-B7 fan) Susan Hall, hereinafter referred to as the Panel. [Pause to sip some whisky in Captain Vimes's honour and leave some Spoiler space] The scenario: Paul Darrow opened yesterday evening in Guards! Guards!, a play based on the Terry Pratchett novel, in the role of Captain Vimes of the City Watch, who hauls himself out of the gutter to save as many fellow-citizens as he can from dragonfire and Death's dustpan, and [SPOILER! SPOILER!] is rewarded (apparently) by getting the girl (well, the woman) without either of them dying. The concentrated Paul Darrow bit: The panellist with the binoculars expressed the opinion that Mr Darrow was looking very nice. To the naked eye, he looked quite good too (who needs a full head of hair, anyway?). The panel took a highly favourable view of his shirt, boots, jerkin, long leather jacket (thought by some to recall Hellhound) and slippers (to be precise, Lady Ramkin's slippers). I don't actually remember anything wrong with his trousers, but no one cited them in particular. Mr Darrow's acting was commendably restrained [most of the time - Ed] and relaxed; he appeared to be enjoying the part. We spotted one "Well now", followed by one Burt Lancaster ("Question is..."), two Humphrey Bogarts ("Of all the cities..." and "Here's looking at you, kid") and an extended Clint Eastwood to a punk who didn't feel lucky, which Mr Darrow delivered while wearing a rather fetching nightdress, a boot, one of Lady Ramkin's slippers and a wrist-dragon. One panellist found his playing of the drunk scene slightly unconvincing (though I enjoyed his apostrophe to the aforesaid gutter - Ed). And in the Dress Circle Bar afterwards, he coped gracefully with the panel's editor rushing upon him with a cry of "I'm pouncing for your autograph NOW 'cos I've got to run for the last train to Manchester." The Pratchett bit: The panel editor's knowledge of Terry Pratchett doesn't extend very far beyond the fact that he writes lots of these books and was very nice to a friend of hers who interviewed him. But more learned members of the panel offered the following opinions: Death's voice should have been deeper and reverberated more (though he improved after the interval). Lance Constable Carrot was not serious enough, had an implausible accent and should NOT have had orange hair - even the programme carried a note explaining that his name referred to his body shape, not his colouring. Lady Ramkin's posh accent could have been cranked up several notches (I've heard glass cut a lot more aristocratically). Errol the Whittle and the big dragon met with general approval. As did the Elucidated Brethren. (Though with the Supreme Grand Master, I kept expecting a Krantor/Servalan joke: "Grand Master - " "SUPREME Grand Master!") Corporal Nobbs was successfully portrayed, and Dibbler quite well done. The Librarian did an excellent job of climbing up the shelves (ah, what Robert Lindsay might have achieved in such a role!). And I liked the Patrician, an eminently sensible tyrant. Especially his explanation that there aren't good people and bad people, just bad people, but some of them are on the other side. The set: I liked the set - chunks of gothicky walls endlessly rotated, swivelled, opened up, combined in different positions and bolted down within the rotating disc of the floor. I'd have loved to be assistant stage manager on this one. Possible Blake's 7 tie-ins: Good bit parts available for Vila (a pickpocket) and Tarrant (a young man with shiny teeth). And Deep Roy could have played virtually anyone except the dwarf. The panel's carefully considered and worded verdict: It's funny and he's good. Harriet Note: None of the other panellists should be held too strictly to any of the opinions expressed above, as all but one are still in Blackpool. Posted three hours and 25 minutes after the curtain call... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:38:47 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Louise Rutter CC: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon Message-ID: <35108538.57B7@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louise Rutter wrote: > > > >Dr Plaxton's death is a particularly strong example,> because the > immediate response of most people to the situation is that> it's wrong to > kill her. > > >Not mine. I felt her death was inevitable, and that SHE also realised > >this fact. That look on her face as she joined the wires...I think she > >knew what was going to happen, and continuing was her way of accepting > >her fate and doing something useful for humanity again. > > >Fran M > > Yes. A woman who was expecting to get away would have shoved those two > wires together as fast as possible. The way she hesitates momentarily, > before pushing them deliberately together, tells me she knew what Avon's > decision would be and she accepted it as logical. > Agreed. She realizes, "If they haven't started things, we'll be too slow and we'll all die, but if they button is pressed, I'll be killed when I connect it." She decides to connect the wires, knowing her fate and wanting to save her creation, and these people who she respects. It's heroic as well as logical on her part, and makes the audience care more about her. --Helen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 02:24:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.geis.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Tonya & SC Message-Id: <199803190251.CAA06338@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tonya asked: >P.S. I haven't had any activity from Space-City in days. Anyone know >what's going on with that list? If this is just in the past few days, probably the most likely explanation is that the automatic software at world.std.com unsubbed you because three posts had bounced for some reason, such as your ISP's Internet gate being temporarily down (something that might well have happened for a few hours without your even knowing it), or a mutual recognition glitch between the ISPs, or some such thing. This sort of thing has happened to a number of people, including me. The first step is to check that whatever may have been wrong at your end is fixed and there won't be any more bounces. Then e-mail Susan Beth, the listowner, ( sbs@world.std.com ) and ask her to resubscribe you. Then wait a day or two, as she tends to get behind on e-mail due to various mundane responsibilities (and sometimes for more pleasant reasons, such as being caught up in fiction writing). (If anyone who's not yet a Citizen wants to subscribe to a list that discusses B7 adult fan fiction, both het and slash, and often gen topics as well, e-mail Susan Beth with a subscription request and an age statement. Then, when you get on, you'll be expected to post a little introduction with basic information about your fannish interests.) Hope this helps. Sorry not to have responded sooner-- I've been dashing about getting ready for Deliverance, wondering nervously what I'm forgetting, all that sort of thing. Sarah T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:05:34 +1200 From: "Graham, Gregory" To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: B7 Dreams Message-ID: <710458B7BCD3D011897D0000F8003AB7816807@invex.agresearch.cri.nz> Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Forsyth [SMTP:Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 1998 11:23 AM > To: B7 Lysator > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: B7 Dreams > >Harriet wrote about her dream: > > 4. Full marks again for tipping the Dalek over while you were > on the > > floor, but try to roll it so that the exterminator is pointing at > the > > floor - less alarming for the person with the corrosive acid. > > Your subconscious obviously knows better than you do - the front of a > Dalek > is the pointy bit - you'll never be able to roll it over so it stays > on its > front - it'll always roll back onto its side. Might be an idea to stay > behind it, though. Quite amusing, actually - it will be able to swivel > its > eye-stalk round and watch you as you slowly pour the can of gold dust > over > it. Oh no, that's Cybermen isn't it? > I can't really see anyone pouring Gold dust on either beastie with Vila around. > who's never even played internationally. Even with a county average of > 35, > it's just not going to stand up to even a half-competent spinner. And > this > is Vila's spinner, remember - that man could take 5 for 22 with a > rotten > kiwi. > Grrr, snarl. > Tom Forsyth. > > > P.S. any comments to the effect that all Kiwis are rotten will not be > tolerated. I'm sure they can play perfectly well. It just takes a > little > faith. And patience. > Possibly TV New Zealand should make a new SF series based on a dominant Kiwi cricket team. Probably too far-fetched... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:44:06 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: [B7L] Cricket (was Re: B7 Dreams) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Greg! >Grrr, snarl. Down, Rover. It's only Tom. He's pretty harmless (mostly) :-) >> P.S. any comments to the effect that all Kiwis are rotten will not be >> tolerated. I'm sure they can play perfectly well. It just takes a >> little >> faith. And patience. >> >Possibly TV New Zealand should make a new SF series based on a dominant >Kiwi cricket team. Probably too far-fetched... *chuckle* Would this involve a time machine, and multiple clones of Hadlee, Turner et al.? Ah, those were the days.... ttfn, Nicola (Ok, so maybe it hasn't been buckets lately. I'll speak severely to the management.) --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:22:01 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@world.std.com Subject: [B7L] Guards! Guards! Message-Id: <398260190MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> I'm off to see Guards! Guards! on Tuesday at the Hackney Empire and I remember someone else on these lists saying that they were as well. The play starts at 7.30 and the doors open at 6.30. There is a bar inside and I've arranged to meet Paula Robinson (who's been lurking on Lysator and Space City for about a month) in the bar at 6.30. So anyone else who's coming fancy joining us then? cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "The workers united will never be ignited" Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:20:57 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Harriet's Dream Message-Id: <398260162MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> I wish I'd seen Harriet's dream. Those notes sound fascinating. Can you remember any more of it? cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "The workers united will never be ignited" Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:22:53 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re Best episodes Message-Id: <398260203MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Reuben said: "I take it there is no on-line forum for this?" Correct. It's old fashined pen and paper I'm afraid. And you have to use the form, or a photocopy of the form, printed in the magazine. Reuben added: "Paradise Towers for Dr. Who?!?!? An episode with Mel? Ohh, well each to his own." Mel was far from my favourite companion, but Sylvester is my favourite doctor and this was such an enjoyable surreal episode. I loved the old women who were cannibals. Actually it's not my favourite episode, just one of them the others were in their recommended choice and I wasn't going to vote for one of them. And Reuben continued: "I get quite a bit of flack from Who fans for liking Timelash. I don't think I need to justify my reasons for Timelash on this group for obvious reasons." Despite Paul being in it, I'm not that keen on Timelash. The next Horizon mag should carry my review of it. Lisa said: "Gambit?! I regard that one as the most boring episode of the first two seasons" No way! I loved Gambit. there was so much good stuff in there. The relationship between Avon and Vila. The stuff in the bar. The OTT people who run the place. Servalan at her best. Travis with a bomb in his arm. And the incredible shrinking Orac. What more could you ask for? A laugh a minute. cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "The workers united will never be ignited" Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:40:35 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] SPOILER Guards! Guards! Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980319094035.006b3268@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you Harriet for writing such a great review. For one who will never have the chance to go see this, it was great to have read some one else's opinions. I hope everyone else going to see it has a great time too. You lucky sods!! Jay 100% Avon (and feeling really homesick right now!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:46:31 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Best episodes Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980319094631.006cee98@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:44 PM 3/18/98 -0000, you wrote: >Cylan wrote: > > >>Steve wrote >>> The UK Cult Times magazine spring special is devoted to best >>> episodes and has a section on Blake's 7. It says the five best >>> episodes are Rumours of Death, Gambit, Orbit, Sarcophagus >>> and Blake. >>> >>> Readers are invited to send in their own favourite episodes of >>> their top ten shows. I've voted for: >>> >>> Blake's 7 - Star One >> >>My 5 favourite episodes are: - >>Sand >>Sarcophagus >>Death Watch >>Power >>and Aftermath >> > > >Sand eh? Interesting choice. Not normally in the average Blake's 7 top >five list. For what it's worth my favourites are probably (in no particular >order): > >Gold >The Harvest of Kairos >Star One >Mission to Destiny >Aftermath/Powerplay > My favs at the moment, and they could, probably will change as I manage to collect more and more tapes (I only have a few right now :-(. ) Not in any order. Star One Aftermath Powerplay Orbit Rumours of Death Jay 100% Avon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:42:58 +0000 From: Jackie To: space-city@world.std.com CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Guards! Guards! Message-ID: <3511AD82.273@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you, Harriet, for the review of the play. There were quite a few fans in the audience last night apparently. I heard from a friend who also saw it, she said it was really hilarious after the first 10/15 mins. The two Humphrey Bogart quotes are actually in the book (at least they are in my paperback version). I have discovered that it is only about 100 miles from Newcastle to Blackpool, and takes approx 2 & half hours driving. I shall make up my mind whether I`m going on the saturday after I`ve seen: a) Nuetral Zone`s timetable schedules: b) how much petrol the car swallows on the 7 hour trip up TOMORROW (yippee! its here) out of my "petrol allowance": & c) how knackered I am after the aforementioned 7 hour drive!! ( this timing is based on two 15 mins wee petrol breaks but NO hold ups/road works. I just hope the notorious Newbury Bypass is open!!) Bye for now Jackie who is having a rather late "early night"! -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #86 *************************************