From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #88 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/88 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 88 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: Best Episodes Re: [B7L] Vila's accepting nature Re: [B7L] No Deliverance and disliking Avon Re: [B7L] Re: Best episodes [B7L]: Time Line [B7L]Teleport bracelet Re: [B7L] Guards! Guards! Re: [B7L] No Deliverance and disliking Avon [B7L] Avon [B7L] Earth to Cygnus Alpha Re: [B7L]Teleport bracelet [B7L] Intergalactic War [B7L] Intergalactic war and oops [B7L] Deliverance '98 Website - Competitions, images, video & sound! [B7L] Horizon Website Re: [B7L] Deliverance '98 Website - Competitions, images, video & sound! RE: [B7L] Deliverance '98 Website - Competitions, images, video & sound! [B7L] killing Dr. Plaxton [B7L] Disliking Avon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:54:26 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: "B7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Best Episodes Message-ID: <01bd5595$d5ecdcc0$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did we ever, in the times this question comes up, establish any kind of consensus? It's not like AYBS?, where I was among the huge majority who picked "Dear Sexy Knickers" as their favourite episode. What would our consensus be? I'm figuring "Orbit" or "Rumours of Death," maybe "Blake." (OK, can't resist - for me, Orbit, closely followed by Gold, The Way Back, and, ah, episode 2. And for obsession no 2, the best 'Allo 'Allo eps are the pilot and "Hitler Youth.") [Jane Elizabeth]: <> That was only the effect of the Sand. I hope. Bad grrls shed no tears, let alone fall for *Tarrant.* - XXX Lindley Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." LONDON CALLING - a list to discuss Britcoms and knockwurst. http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/2511/knockwurst.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:28:36 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila's accepting nature Message-ID: <01bd5592$3a831fe0$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Carol K]: >>Lindley wrote: >> > >Uh oh... Calm down. My maternal instincts don't, unfortunately, resemble those of Ripley in Aliens. Instead, picture Baby Spice defending one of her cuddly toys. (I think my Soolin devotion shows distinct signs of wistful thinking. I'm more like pre-bad-grrl Cancer.) >> How *could* you say that about my baby? > >Awwww...love is truly blind. ;) I can't read that. Send a bigger code-book. >>All I can say is that I don't for one minute believe that Vila >>seriously meant to abandon them. You notice he didn't actually >>*do* it, just whined that they should. Normal venting, I'd say. > >Uh...I doubt Vila could have overpowered either Avon or Jenna and taken off as >he wanted to. He didn't *do* it because he didn't have control of the ship. Yep. But if he *could* do it I don't think he would have been whining he wanted to. OK, I'll abandon logic and just wail "But he really is nice...." Practicing to audition for the Tarrant Nostra, you see. >>>Except, of course, for Avon -- who is totally misunderstood and >>>really has a caring heart of gold and a genuine love of humankind >>>(snip) [Helen K. (re heart of gold)]: >(Don't tell Vila, or he'll try to steal it). [Reuben]: >Either him or Zaphod.... [Carol K.]: >but...but...I'm serious. *snif* Isn't this how everyone sees Avon? Referring you back to your earlier comment about love, I tactfully retire from the conversation. - XXX Lindley Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." LONDON CALLING - a list to discuss Britcoms and knockwurst. http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/2511/knockwurst.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:48:20 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] No Deliverance and disliking Avon Message-ID: <01bd5594$fbf37880$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've a friend who's only seen "Orbit," with no B7 context and no one with her. *She* didn't see Avon struggling with himself or any of the stuff we fen see. She saw a nasty little man coolly murdering his boyfriend 'cos he was inconvenient. She loved him. [Rhonda]: >Re: disliking Avon. I have a friend, who although not a total convert has >seen some Blakes 7 and she doesn't care for him at all. She is of the >opinion that if he is as he appears, he's a creep and little better than >every other Federation collaborator -- just in it for the money. Actually, that's pretty close to my idea, but I'm very fond of Avon. That's why I finally decided he and Rene were avatars. And if the >prevalent opinion is true that he is self-deluded and really has that >"heart-of-gold" two years of following Blake should have been revealing to >anyone but a blithering idiot. YES! Brilliant point. > She commented that she could believed for >the first year or so he could make excuses, but not after that. Not if he >had any brains at all. Keep in mind that she hasn't seen more than 15 >episodes or so, mostly from the first and second year. She only knows that >the series lasted 4 years because I told her. OTOH, she did like Blake, she >called him good combination of idealism AND practicality. I like Blake ok in the show, but I've been prejudiced against him by never finding a Blake in fanfic that I could like. Besides, he don't treat Vila with enough respect, and he was a prat after Gan's death. - XXX Lindley Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." LONDON CALLING - a list to discuss Britcoms and knockwurst. http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/2511/knockwurst.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:33:22 +1030 From: "Ophelia" To: "Harriet Monkhouse" <101637.2064@compuserve.com>, "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Best episodes Message-ID: <01bd5592$e485c4c0$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Harriet]: >And, and, and... JARRIERE!!! What good taste you have, Harriet. First you defend the divine Pella - a Soolin-avatar caught in a sexist script - and now that adorable Jarriere. Servalan's assistants were nearly-always godlike. - XXX Lindley Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." LONDON CALLING - a list to discuss Britcoms and knockwurst. http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/2511/knockwurst.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:18:36 -0000 From: "Julie Horner" To: Subject: [B7L]: Time Line Message-Id: <199803221431.PAA11393@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rhonda wrote: > > Another question....someone asked the question before, but I've been swamped > and haven't been following as closely as I should...is there an official > time line in the series? Are there any web sites dealing with that? Being > a TV baby, I assumed that between the first and last, 4 1/2 years had > passed. Are there internal hints? That's a very interesting question and I can't remember anything in the series to give you an exact handle on time. However, I assumed that quite a bit of time passed between some of the early episodes because they were trying to work out how to fly Liberator and by episode 4 (Time Squad) they were all quite competent at the controls - remember Avon manually docking the time capsule when Zen stopped working? On the other hand, some episodes carry straight on e.g. Deliverance and Orac, and then into the second series with Redemption right on its heels. Although the spooky thing there is that although the storyline seems to carry straight on, they all completely change their wardrobe! Actually appearance is one of the things which make it difficult to be sure because I don't recall many changes in looks or hairstyle and you would think if several stressful years had passed they would show more wear and tear. Avon is excepted from this comment because I think he _does_ age in the series. I don't mean from the point of view of him getting greyer or fatter or anything, just that towards the end, the strain and responsibility of leadership give him an air of being much older with even more gravitas, if that is possible.Compare he and Vila's actions in 'Gambit' when they ran the casino scam with Avon in 4th series, there is no way I can imagine him being so frivolous towards the end. Carol wrote on the subject: > I don't know of any official time line. There is an internal hint > in "Stardrive." It's said that Dr. Plaxton was working for the > Federation until its "collapse." I take the "collapse" to refer > to the aftermath of Star One. (There are several references that > suggest that the Federation was severely weakened for a period after > the destruction of Star One/Andromedan War.) It's also said that Plaxton > has been with the space rats for three year. If you put those two > together, "Stardrive" happens three years after "Star One." Three years! Wow I did not image that long between Star One and StarDrive. Any suggestions where most of the time was spent? > > There's also the flight time from Earth to Cygnus Alpha: six months. > Those are the only time references that I can recall. The time in this I always find a bit iffy as follows :- London is a run of the mill old ship. Liberator is superb. After Blake tells Zen to set course for Cygnus Alpha they get there in a very short time, remember how amazed they all are at how quickly they have arrived? However, they still get there _after_ the London. This implies that the London had a good start on them - the Liberator must have wallowed about a bit in space before they set their course - in fact they probably went several million spatials in the wrong direction when Jenna hit that big unlabelled button which made them go really fast and pull funny faces. But overall they must have been on Liberator for quite some time before they got to Cygnus Alpha so why did they not discover the teleport until just before they arrived? Surely they explored the ship as one of their priorities? Julie Horner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:30:25 -0000 From: "Julie Horner" To: Subject: [B7L]Teleport bracelet Message-Id: <199803221431.PAA11402@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anybody help? I am hurriedly trying to knock together a teleport bracelet in time for Deliverance and I have been following the instructions on Kathryn Andersens page. However, Kathryn gives a visual reference of the Horizon Technical Manual which I don't have and am unlikely to get hold of before next weekend. Mostly this is not a problem, after all we see them enough on the show. However, I don't have a really good picture of one to sort out some details. Like, I think there is a silver band down the middle but is there a thin bit of silver round the edge? I hope so because I was counting on putting a bit of tape there to disguise the rather uneven edges on my effort. Also I am not entirely sure of the relatived positions of the red button and the grey button. Are they next to each other across the bracelet : __________ |R| |G| __________ or along the bracelet : ___________ |R| |G| ___________ I am not sure if I could work this out even if I freeze frame the video. Any hints anyone can provide will be gratefully received. Just don't look to closely at the finished product/ Julie Horner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:21:48 -0000 From: "Julie Horner" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Guards! Guards! Message-Id: <199803221431.PAA11396@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet said > Lance Constable Carrot was not serious enough, had an implausible accent > and should NOT have had orange hair - even the programme carried a note > explaining that his name referred to his body shape, not his colouring. In the book Carrot _does_ have orange hair but you are right, his name is for his body shape. Julie Horner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:01:07 -0000 From: "Dangermouse" To: "Rhonda L Stroud" , Subject: Re: [B7L] No Deliverance and disliking Avon Message-Id: <199803221506.PAA27692@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Rhonda L Stroud > Another question....someone asked the question before, but I've been swamped > and haven't been following as closely as I should...is there an official > time line in the series? The timescale of the series is very self-contradictory, especially after the Intergalactic War (which by implication lasted only a few hours or several months, depending on which episode you want to believe) but I'll give it a shot. There are six months between The Way Back and Cygnus Alpha (the length of the journey from Earth) There's a further 18 months until Voice From The Past, according to Ven Glynd in the latter episode. (Two years after The Way Back) Star One has been malfunctioning for two months (sixty days), so can probably assume that that is the gap between Gambit and Star One (or possibly The Keeper and Star One) if the Andromedans' plans weren't put into operation until they had already made a deal with Travis. The Intergalactic War seemed to last only a few hours aboard the Liberator (everybody's still in the same clothes), but the spread of the fighting over such a large are of the Federation suggests otherwise. Perhaps a couple of weeks. There are then three years until Stardrive (Plaxton worked for the Federation until it collapsed in the aftermath of the war, then spent three years on Caspar) We can assume that, as is TV convention, season 4 lasted a year. Which all gives us a grand total of about six years, give or take a month or two. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:07:15 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Avon Message-ID: <19980322.080104.9663.2.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Jeroen Kwast Wrote: PS: Are there any female fans out there who *don't* like Avon? I think alot of Avon's lines are funny, and deep down, he probably is a lonely guy too afraid to let anyone love him, I guess I really don't dispise him, I just like the other characters better....but then again I am an Idealist. And, I don't really think that PD is THAT sexy. OK, so I am probably alone in that assumption, but hey, what are Idealists for, anyway. (ducking tomatoes but standing my ground.) Penny Biology grows on you _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:07:15 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Earth to Cygnus Alpha Message-ID: <19980322.080104.9663.3.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Earth to Cygnus Alpha flight time was eight months. Penny Biology grows on you _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:24:54 +0100 From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Teleport bracelet Message-ID: <35154966.53BE@gns.getronics.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julie Horner wrote: > > Can anybody help? > > I am hurriedly trying to knock together a teleport bracelet in time for > Deliverance and > I have been following the instructions on Kathryn Andersens page. However, > Kathryn gives > a visual reference of the Horizon Technical Manual which I don't have and > am unlikely > to get hold of before next weekend. > I hope you can make a few Julie , then teleport to all the members who can't go to Deliverance, give them a bracelet and teleport them !!!! :) Jeroen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:32:48 EST From: AChevron To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Intergalactic War Message-ID: <405de50a.35155952@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-22 10:07:34 EST, you write: << The Intergalactic War seemed to last only a few hours aboard the Liberator (everybody's still in the same clothes), but the spread of the fighting over such a large are of the Federation suggests otherwise. Perhaps a couple of weeks. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:38:14 EST From: AChevron To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Intergalactic war and oops Message-ID: <9cb05d8d.35155a98@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-22 10:07:34 EST, you write: << The Intergalactic War seemed to last only a few hours aboard the Liberator (everybody's still in the same clothes), but the spread of the fighting over such a large are of the Federation suggests otherwise. Perhaps a couple of weeks. >> Sorry about sending the earlier message without the commentary; finger slipped. All the indications are that the War actually lasted several months. It seems Servalan and the Federation believed they won the battle, and hence the War, at the battle of Star One. but based on comments about drifting Ion Reefs and biological agents in Children of Auron, and the shuttle carrying the scientists being attacked after leaving the planet in Animals, this seems incorrect. Most likely a significant percentage of the invasion fleet wandered off the field of battle, and moved about spreading havoc until destroyed. Thus we have the Federation and all the outer worlds dependant on Federation trade suffering the ravages of both the loss of Star One, and the affects of direct attack by the Andromedans. With the possibility that there are still one or more functional Andromedan ships out there... D. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:36:14 -0000 From: "Borg, Peter: IEG" To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] Deliverance '98 Website - Competitions, images, video & sound! Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MimeMultipartBoundary" --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain The Deliverance '98 website has now been drastically changed in preparation for the convention. If you can't attend the convention, then don't miss out on the website! Over the weekend, we'll be running competitions and putting up photos, video and audio clips from the convention. This is your chance to join in if you can't make it to the convention! http://www.horizon.org.uk/deliverance Peter. --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:37:14 -0000 From: "Borg, Peter: IEG" To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] Horizon Website Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MimeMultipartBoundary" --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain I forgot to mention - the Horizon website has been taken over by the Deliverance website until after the convention. There is still a link from the front page to the news section, however. http://www.horizon.org.uk/ Peter. --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:56:39 +0100 (MET) From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" To: peter.borg@barclayscapital.com (Borg Peter: IEG) Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list) Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance '98 Website - Competitions, images, video & sound! Message-Id: <199803230956.KAA05850@pampus.gns.getronics.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter, Can we freely copy this stuff? I am refering to the audio. (like zen,orac and blake voice on the site now) and anything jet to come .... :) I mean, if we can, is it possible to make it mp3 or wav format :) (please) If not, bummer ! :( Jeroen > > --MimeMultipartBoundary > Content-Type: text/plain > > The Deliverance '98 website has now been drastically changed in preparation > for the convention. > > If you can't attend the convention, then don't miss out on the website! Over > the weekend, we'll be running > competitions and putting up photos, video and audio clips from the > convention. This is your chance to join > in if you can't make it to the convention! > > http://www.horizon.org.uk/deliverance > > Peter. > --MimeMultipartBoundary-- > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:17:49 -0000 From: "Borg, Peter: IEG" To: "'Jeroen J. Kwast'" Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Deliverance '98 Website - Competitions, images, video & sound! Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MimeMultipartBoundary" --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain > Peter, > > Can we freely copy this stuff? > > I am refering to the audio. (like zen,orac and blake voice on the site > now) > > and anything jet to come .... :) > Everything on the Deliverance site is copyright Deliverance. You will need to seek the permission of the Convention Committee (i.e. not me!) to use any of the content from the site elsewhere. All texts and images (normally) on the Horizon site are copyright Horizon, with the exception of some of the graphics, which are copyright me! If you wish to use graphics, video or sound, or quote or paraphrase content from someone elses site, you should *always* seek the permission of the site administrator first. If they can't give you permission, they should be able to point you in the direction of someone who can. With reference to the Horizon sites, much work has gone into creating these sites, and we try hard to keep things relevant and useful. Several new versions of the Horizon site are due to come online soon, catering for all types of browsers from Lynx through to Java enabled, allowing more people direct access to information and facilities which will be of interest to them. With this amount of work going into something, it's really irritating when people take your content, and post it on their own sites or distribute it on mailing lists and newsgroups without so much as a 'do you mind if?'. I appreciate that in fandom people want to know as much as possible, and pass information around as much as possible. I have no objection to this, as long as people *ask* first! Anyway, before I start to go into rant mode, thanks for asking! If people do have stuff they want to keep for themselves, please check the site over the convention weekend. A full copyright statement will be available detailing what you can and cannot do with the content. This is still being agreed, but there may well be a clause which allows downloading of images for personal archive only, as long as access to these images is not made available to anyone else, and as long as the images are not distributed in any way. Eventually, all the images, video, sound, and some of the text will be available on an archive site, and much will be available immediately after the convention on the 'Post Convention' site. Peter. --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 01:08:46 +1000 From: "Roger The Shrubber" To: "B7 Main List" Subject: [B7L] killing Dr. Plaxton Message-Id: <199803231231.WAA10441@budapest.ozonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julia & Fran wrote Julia sez: > Dr Plaxton's death is a particularly strong example,> because the immediate response of most people to the situation is that> it's wrong to kill her. *** Not mine. I felt her death was inevitable, and that SHE also realised this fact. That look on her face as she joined the wires...I think she knew what was going to happen, and continuing was her way of accepting her fate and doing something useful for humanity again. Fran M **** **** I have a different interpretation of this event - I think she was SO involved in her work (ie the photonic drive development) that the issue of the pursuit ships attacking and even the task of connecting up the drive to Scorpio was fairly trivial. I see her mind& real concentration as being miles away- far more concerned about how she could further develop the engine once she gets to a new research lab rather than the current predicament. I really believe the danger didn't register, all she cared about was the project, not the Space rats, not the pursuit ships, certainly not the Scorpio. Also, you'll notice that as the Fed ships arrive, she hesitates significantly to have a decent look, instead of getting on with the job. It's as if she's just realised "Ooooh, what's going on here ? They really are chasing us......, I may have to think about something apart from the engine development for a while" The hesitation was also a neat contrivance to shift some of the blame onto HER for her upcoming death. After all, if she hadn't hesitated, she may have made the connections before Avon threw the switch. The TV people save Avon from having the the viewers think he's a cold-hearted killer. Trevor Hoyle's adaptation novel "Scorpio Attack" also shifts some of the blame onto Dr Plaxton, he has her dropping her tweezers, delaying the second last connection. ___________________________________ from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome ! powerplay@cheerful.com ____________________________________ "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." --Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp.,1977 ______________________________________ "The Administration is out to get me" _______________________________________ "In the end, winning is the only safety" _________________________________________ "If man is art, can I just go out of here and make an exhibition of myself ?" ________________________________________ Was God an astronaut ? _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634 Anxiety & Panic _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 1998 09:44:51 -0800 From: "Kinkade.Carol" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Disliking Avon Message-ID: >Rhonda wrote: >And if the prevalent opinion is true that he is self-deluded and >really has that "heart-of-gold" That was a joke!! The whole heart-of-gold post was a joke! I don't think anyone believes Avon actually has that heart of gold. Avon is my fave character and I like him as the ruthless, flawed, emotional cripple that he is. I love him for the many redeeming qualities he DOES have (which have been posted to this list many times, so I won't bore the non-Avon fans by posting them again). >I have a friend, who although not a total convert has seen some >Blakes 7 and she doesn't care for him at all. She is of the >opinion that if he is as he appears, he's a creep and little better >than every other Federation collaborator -- just in it for the money. I think your friend needs to watch some more episodes. Even Avon's detractors must admit this is not an accurate description of him. Maybe she should watch some 3rd and 4th season eps. Carol K (AVON RULES!!!!) -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #88 *************************************