From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #93 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/93 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 93 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90 [B7L] pics of con Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90 [B7L] RE: Tarrant [B7L] Re: time line Re: [B7L]: Time Line an answer! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:14:56 -0500 (EST) From: adering@ziplink.net (Alex Dering) To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think Penny wrote this: > > > Blake _likes_ Avon. He is often annoyed by him, often tired of having to > > argue with him constantly, and having his authority undermined-- (seems > > familiar; oh yeah, my frequent conflicts with authority figures unless I > > learn to trust them)-- but he likes him. Because he respects him. > > Actually, I can't imgaine seeing someone the way you say you see Avon > > (respect, recognizing strong points, trusting) and not liking them as > > part of the package. > > To respond: The debate on Avon and Blake has gone on for some time, lots of theories, so here's mine: Blake and Avon, as far as the human crew goes, are the only two who are adamant. Blake ran a revolution. He failed, but still, he ran the damned thing. Avon, as well, tried to swindle the Federation out of billions, and failed too. The others failed as well, but in a much smaller scale. Only Blake and Avon ever really had a great big bloody mess fall apart in their hands. Consider it a baptism of sorts. They had a, um, paradigm shift. Each sees the other and recognizes that the other has been through the same fire, that the other has "earned" the right to be an equal. But neither can accept how the other arrived at the final point they arrived at. Avon can't believe Blake is such a goody two-shoes. Blake can't believe how callous Avon is. And that's my two cents. And to all of you at the convention: I'm dying of envy here in America. ---------------------------------------- The future of mankind? Remember these words - Auschwitz, Stalingrad, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Just words. Gladys Aylward, Mother Theresa, Albert Schwietzer. Just names. Somewhere between the words and the names lies the future of mankind." -- (Doctor Who - The New Adventures: "The Pit" by Neil Penswick) -- ---------------------------------------- website: http://www.ziplink.net/~adering ---------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:05:07 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90 Message-ID: <199803281205.HAA04956@yfn.ysu.edu> Rebecca wrote: >Finally, something to do with Blake! I should probably say that, while no >newcomer to B7, I've only recently gone on-line, and this is the first time >at joining in here. So please bear with me. Lovely to have you here, Rebecca. >If there are any of the Tarrant Nostra hanging around, I had a thought >about him the other day and would be interested in what you think. When >Tarrant boards the Liberator, do you think there's any chance he sought it >out particularly, that he meant to join up with Blake? Let me start by saying that I'd be happy to read a fan story with that premise, particularly if *you* are going to write it. :) I think it would be an interesting possibility to explore. But I don't really see it as my most canonical interpretation of how/why Tarrant got on Liberator. Based on what he says in "Power- play" and "Volcano," I think he ended up on Liberator by an accident of fate. The ship he'd been on had been destroyed and his life capsule homed in on Liberator. He says something to himself after a conversation with Klegg in "Powerplay" that supports that theory: "I'm not really sure of anything." If he had boarded Liberator with an intent to join Blake, I don't think he would have been quite that lost and bewildered. There's also something he tells Dayna in "Volcano": that he doesn't trust anyone except himself. My general interpretation is that he's felt betrayed (possibly on a personal basis, possibly by the system) and that he's not yet up to trusting any individual or group. In other words, he wouldn't have sought out a group of allies at that point in his life. He was thrown into the Liberator crew and is taking that one day at a time. But with Tarrant's natural tendency to trust quickly overcoming whatever caused him to be wary, he's committed to his shipmates and showing far too much trust in strangers (Norl) in short order. Which isn't to say that I don't think Tarrant was sympathetic to Blake or Blake's Cause. He knew about Blake (told Avon as much in "Powerplay") and must have given some thought to what Blake was up to. In "Volcano" it is Tarrant (with Dayna) who goes down to Obsidian to search for Blake and to try to negotiate for a base from which they can fight the Federation. He's showing pro-Blake and anti-Federation tendencies right from the beginning. Further evidence that Tarrant appeared to approve of Blake's rebel activities comes in "Blake," where he expresses disillusionment in the question "What on Earth happened to you?" At the very least, he thought Blake (until Gauda Prime) was one of the "good guys." I have to think that Tarrant was in a very precarious position around the time of Star One. He was on the Federation's wanted list, so they were his enemies. But as an ex-Space Command officer it's not likely that many rebel groups would welcome him with open arms. They might regard him as a potential double agent/spy or simply might want to exact revenge for any "crimes" he committed while in space service. I can see why he'd want to avoid contact with both the Federation and the organized rebellion. But the Andromedan threat was enough to convince him to set aside worries about his personal safety and join the battle to defend mankind, putting him in contact with both the Federation and rebels. He was rather lucky to come out of that as well as he did. Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:09:48 +0100 (MET) From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list) Subject: [B7L] pics of con Message-Id: <199803281409.PAA04292@pampus.gns.getronics.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to let you know ,... I have some problems with my bracelet so I will be a little late! :) In the mean time I watch the pictures on horizons website Jeroen PS: Boehoe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:57:04 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Alex Dering CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90 Message-ID: <351D1DD0.30AD@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex Dering wrote: > > I think Penny wrote this: No, I did. > > > > > Blake _likes_ Avon. He is often annoyed by him, often tired of having to > > > argue with him constantly, and having his authority undermined-- (seems > > > familiar; oh yeah, my frequent conflicts with authority figures unless I > > > learn to trust them)-- but he likes him. Because he respects him. > > > Actually, I can't imgaine seeing someone the way you say you see Avon > > > (respect, recognizing strong points, trusting) and not liking them as > > > part of the package. > > > > > To respond: > > The debate on Avon and Blake has gone on for some time, lots of theories, > so here's mine: > > Blake and Avon, as far as the human crew goes, are the only two who are > adamant. Blake ran a revolution. He failed, but still, he ran the damned > thing. Avon, as well, tried to swindle the Federation out of billions, and > failed too. The others failed as well, but in a much smaller scale. > > Only Blake and Avon ever really had a great big bloody mess fall apart in > their hands. Consider it a baptism of sorts. They had a, um, paradigm > shift. Each sees the other and recognizes that the other has been through > the same fire, that the other has "earned" the right to be an equal. > > But neither can accept how the other arrived at the final point they > arrived at. Avon can't believe Blake is such a goody two-shoes. Blake can't > believe how callous Avon is. > > And that's my two cents. I think Jenna was, while not as unique in her failure, closer to Blake in her past. She ran her own ship, her own business, made connections, figured deals... she was a leader (like Blake) where as Avon was a loner. Jenna's fall from independent woman of business to the only woman on a prison ship, struggling to maintain dignity is more of a _meaningful_ fall than "the guy who got caught trying a scam". And this arguement is coming from a fan of Avon. I think they (Blake and Avon) more have both made a certain study of politics but come to different conclusions. One is optomistic and idealistic. The other focusses on the negative. They help balance each other, and its possible Blake even recognizes a need for balance. At any rate, they can talk to each other clearly. If you wanted to alk to Vila, you'd have to give him a thousand years of history lessons before he'd know why you thought your plan would fail or succeed... and at that, you'd have to give him the structure of anaylsis, too. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:12:53 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] RE: Tarrant Message-ID: <19980328.090649.13543.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Helen quoted then commented: > > If there are any of the Tarrant Nostra hanging around, I had a thought > about him the other day and would be interested in what you think. When > Tarrant boards the Liberator, do you think there's any chance he sought it > out particularly, that he meant to join up with Blake? > I'm not Tarrant Nostra-- although, listening to them, I've found my views of him softening, but I will happily tell you that yes, I think he was hoping to find Blake there and maybe join. After all, he didn't try taking over from Avon to organize piracy or smuggling. More background on tall and curly would have been interesting-- why did he break from the Federation? Any rate, seemed to me he knew enough about Blake and his ship that we could assume he had a strong interest, combined with his subsequent behavior, it's not unreasonable to assume he was a idealist looking for a cause to join. <<< I agree. I always thought Tarrant was a young mouthy fellow looking for Blake and a good fight. Fortunate that his rescue ship found the Liberator and that Zen's auto defense unit didn't waste them. I think he made do with the situation quite well, though for a while I really wondered if he was an operative for the Federation and was infiltrating Avon's crew for information, possibly teleport technology. Of course, he could have changed his mind at some point and decided that being in the crew was more fun than being a loyal Fed. That would have proved for some interesting excitement on board. Peace, Penny Biology grows on you _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 98 20:31:41 GMT From: pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick Bean) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: time line Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain My guess for time in the program is; 4 months up to comming across the Liberator, plus maybe a couple of weeks to account for 'the way back'. + 4 more months to Cyngus Alpha We get no more clues until 'Voice from the past' when Blake said "... we've been on the run for 2 years now..." (so 2 years and 4 months and a bit) Between 'voice' and 'star one' this we do not know. In 'startdrive' we find out that Dr. Plaxton had been with the space Rats for 3 years, and she joined then just after the inter-galactic war. >From 'Star Drive' to 'Blake' is a third un-known period. So ?+4 months +2 Years +?+ 3 Years +? =5 years and 4 months. as to how long the 2 large un-known periods lasted, well between 'voice' and 'star one' finding Docely traveling to start one (it was a long way out, as Jenna said) maybe 4 months? Now the hard part, from 'star drive' to 'Blake'. A lot of un-seen work was done between these episodes, finding people, making sure that they were not walking into a trap etc. Take 'War Lord' setting up that meeting must have taken ages. I think you are talking about one more year. I would say the total total length from 'Way Back' to 'Blake' between 6 and 6 and a half years. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick David Bean) | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ Web http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pdbean ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:06:41 +0200 From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]: Time Line an answer! Message-ID: <351E0111.4565@gns.getronics.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > At 16:13 27/03/98 +1200, Gregory Graham wrote: > > > > >Surely STD*12=TD4*12=TD48, and TD15=STD*3.25. That would would make > the > >Liberator normal speed (STD*6 I think) TD24 > > > > Doesn't it seem a little perverse that the Liberator's normal speed is > "standard by 6" and not just "standard"? Maybe Blake was just a leadfoot. > Standard speed was used because no one knew the right word for the speed of the Liberator. "Standard" is interpreted by Zen as "normal" speed for his ship! right? (standard, standard by 6) How about that?!?! :) Jeroen -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #93 *************************************