From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #179 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/179 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 179 Today's Topics: [B7L] clip guns Re: [B7L] clip guns [B7L] Phoenix - frivolous query Re: [B7L] Re: actors for The Movie Re: [B7L] actors for The Movie Ultraworld AU fic (was Re: [B7L] Re: actors for The Movie) [B7L] graphics genius wanted Re: [B7L] graphics genius wanted [B7L] Even more casting Re: [B7L] Even more casting Re: [B7L] graphics genius wanted Re: [B7L] Even more casting Re: [B7L] Even more casting [B7L] New Book on B7: Update [B7L] oh my god, he killed blake! [B7L] Actors for The Movie [B7L] oh my god, he killed blake! Re: [B7L] Phoenix - frivolous query [B7L] AvonC/ally Re: [B7L] Website Re: [B7L] clip guns [B7L] B7 and Lexx (was graphics genius wanted) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:47:14 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] clip guns Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Anyone know which colour of Scorpio gun clips were for which type of ammunition? I've a feeling that the continuity was appalling in this area, but I'd be interested if there was any actual agreement between episodes. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:27:06 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] clip guns Message-ID: <001801beabbd$ecdfa140$c6448cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith wrote: +AD4-Anyone know which colour of Scorpio gun clips were for which type of ammunition? +AD4- +AD4-I've a feeling that the continuity was appalling in this area, but I'd be +AD4-interested if there was any actual agreement between episodes. I believe the colour coding is listed in the Horizon Technical Manual, though this is hardly the most reliable source in the world. (My copy seems to have disappeared. If I bothered to clean up my flat I'd probably find it, but I'm having far too much fun playing with VistaPro 3.) AFAIK, there is only one occasion where ammunition type is specifically mentioned, in Sand, where 'percussion bullets' had to be used. The most obvious continuity flaw, at least regarding S4 publicity shots, is guns being fired whilst clearly not having any clip inserted at all. The usual clip type in use was the all-black one, which I think was meant to be the laser. Which makes me wonder if there is any good reason why a laser should make a loud whoomfing noise when fired. Probably the same reason spaceship engines growl menacingly when they lumber across the screen. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 18:15:58 -0700 (PDT) From: J MacQueen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Phoenix - frivolous query Message-ID: <19990601011558.7234.rocketmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm about to reprint Phoenix again (new computers, upgraded everything in the software department, new bugs lying in wait in all probability), and I just wanted to ask those who own a printed copy - what colour(s) are the pages? Narrelle's site keeps making me think I need coloured paper to do it justice! Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:31:33 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: actors for The Movie Message-ID: <37537034.15E14FFE@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet wrote: > Mistral replied to me: > >> I still say Vote Robbie Coltrane for Avon! > > > >Please, no. I like Robbie Coltrane a lot, and he could get the > >psychology right, but he hasn't got the felinity. > > Yes, but that's what I want to avoid this time round. It's not that I > don't enjoy Paul Darrow's physical appeal, but if Avon can't grab my > attention without that then he's not worth the big fuss. So I want to > focus on his more interesting aspects by sidestepping the sex appeal from > the start. The only snag is that I keep finding people who insist > Coltrane's sexy. An interesting viewpoint which is not without its own appeal, I must say. I'm sorry that my crack about Coltrane in leather (which was a joke; I'd just been reading Penny's comments about Christopher Walken) has obscured my actual intent. The reason that I'd want to retain Avon's felinity on the big screen is because of body language and physical mannerisms, in order to have consistent characterization, *not* because I want the character to drip sex appeal all over the place. From my own point of view, 'Paul Darrow's physical appeal' is at best a strictly acquired taste. What I admire about Avon is his personality, attitudes, and actions; those are the things I'd want to see carried over onto a feature film. Therefore what I'd be looking for in an actor to play Avon is the ability to match emotional range (from minimalist work with eyes and mouth all the way to occasional scenery chewing, please), similar style and tone of dialogue delivery, facial expressions, body language, and mannerisms -- I want Avon's *intensity* to stay intact. And then, as with any of the characters, I'd want the new actor to go beyond what he's given to work with and make the character his own in some way -- not a lifeless, slavish copy. OTOH, I am convinced that the bodies we go through life in are a large part of who we are -- they affect how we are perceived by others, and therefore how we perceive ourselves and the rest of the world; to pretend otherwise is naive. IMHO, an Avon who grew up in a Robbie Coltrane body would be a significantly different person -- and quite possibly unrecognizable as the Avon we see in the aired show. If you're going to change a character that much, I frankly don't see much point in using him at all. I'd prefer to find an actor who can give a convincing rendition of the Avon we're all used to, not redefine him into something unrecognizable; and then hopefully each viewer would find in the large-screen version the same things they found appealing in the original portrayal. *** And while I'm on the subject of the relationship between the body and the personality, is it too much to hope that someone's written a good gen AU in which Cally and Avon's consciousnesses were reversed at Ultraworld? Does anyone know if such a story exists, and where I might find it? *** Grins, Mistral -- "When you live on the permanent dark side of a planet, nobody cares too much what you look like."--Avon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:10:07 PDT From: "Hellen Paskaleva" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] actors for The Movie Message-ID: <19990601071007.9581.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; > > Una wrote: > > >Is there any way that we can have John Cusack in this B7 movie? > > Me: > > I can't recall what he looks like clearly (I have just vague memories of >him > > as the policeman in "Con Air"), but my sister, who is more than >competent >in > > the field, said, that the only role, that John Cusack could play, is > > Vila's. >Una again: >I've been mulling this one over as I was slapping black gloss paint around >this afternoon, and eventually came to the decision that I quite liked this >idea. Particularly with Robbie Coltrane as Avon. And who *is* Robbie Coltrane? Is he American or British actor? In what movie(s) has he played? Help? Hellen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:40:01 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Ultraworld AU fic (was Re: [B7L] Re: actors for The Movie) Message-ID: <19990601204001.D2519@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, May 31, 1999 at 10:31:33PM -0700, mistral@ptinet.net wrote: > > And while I'm on the subject of the relationship between the > body and the personality, is it too much to hope that someone's > written a good gen AU in which Cally and Avon's consciousnesses > were reversed at Ultraworld? Does anyone know if such a story > exists, and where I might find it? Well... there have been a few gen AUs on that subject, quite reasonable ones, but none of them hit the spot for me. The most well-known one is probably "Trust, Like the Soul" (by Jean Lorrah?), which was for me, a mix of the poignant and the disquieting. I'd rate it M for implied sex, so I'm not sure if that qualifies as completely "gen". Then there's "Cross-Switch" by Ros Williams, in Amare 2, which was okay. But as I said, none of them hit the spot. I guess it's a very difficult story to write, because not only is Avon and Cally's characterisation vital, but the completely unprecedented situation gives its own difficulties. Or maybe it's just that gender-swapping makes me uncomfortable? Kathryn Andersen (glad she's not a man) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:25:04 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] graphics genius wanted Message-ID: <000901beac21$8e25e920$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now on space city I have been nattering on about my new 'crusade': i.e. to encourage B7 fans to watch 'Lexx'. (digression - that reminds me - I've just read a scanned copy of some Canadian TV guide which describes Lexx as 'Blakes Seven written in Heroin withdrawal' - which is an amazingly precise description) but that aside. One of the UK lexx fans has a very funny site called 'LexxPark'. These are very accurate SouthPark style graphics of various lexx episodes. check out www.lexxpark.cjb.net What i want is for some computer graphics genius on this list to do the same thing for B7. Check the site out, and imagine how you could do the same. I'd love to see it if anyone has the skill. I've made a crap effort myself, I've downloaded the 'Oh My God, he killed Kai' picture and I'm clumsily trying to turn it into ... well, I'm sure you can guess. But please, somebody else who's better at this than me give it a go. Alison PS - the surgeon general has determined that anyone posting binary pictures to this list will be eviscerated, so let me make it clear that I'm not encouraging anyone to do so. If you do make any put them on a site and tell us where to look. Sorry if you already knew that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:48:17 EDT From: SupeStud00@aol.com To: alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] graphics genius wanted Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/1/99 6:27:53 AM EST, alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk writes: << (digression - that reminds me - I've just read a scanned copy of some Canadian TV guide which describes Lexx as 'Blakes Seven written in Heroin withdrawal' - which is an amazingly precise description) >> Can anyone tell me what "Lexx" is? I'm in the states and do don't hear about much new British Sci-Fi. ------------------------------ Date: 01 Jun 1999 14:04:15 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Even more casting Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Blake Michael Hurst (Iolaus) Avon Kevin Smith (Ares) Vila Robert Trebor (Salmoneus) Jenna Alexandra Tydings (Aphrodite) Cally Cory Everson (Atalanta) Gan Kevin Sorbo (Hercules) Servalan Reneé O'Connor (Gabrielle) Travis 1 Lucy Lawless (Xena) Travis 2 Hudson Leick (Callisto) -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "Such a pretty day for a bloodbath." -- Callisto, "Xena: Warrior Princess" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 06:36:55 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Even more casting Message-ID: <3753E1F6.FFC03A6F@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calle Dybedahl wrote: > Blake Michael Hurst (Iolaus) > Avon Kevin Smith (Ares) > Vila Robert Trebor (Salmoneus) Oh, Calle, you are wicked! Wicked! (I could really enjoy this version; but I really must protest the absence of Bruce Campbell (Autolycus.)) Mistral toddles off, chortling.... -- "And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:53:03 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] graphics genius wanted Message-ID: <001a01beac36$377cf4a0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Supersuds said - >Can anyone tell me what "Lexx" is? I'm in the states and do don't hear about >much new British Sci-Fi. Canadian / German SF actually. I think the first four episodes have been shown in the US as 'Tales from a parallel dimension', but opinion seems to be divided on this. I won't take up bandwidth raving about it, there are loads of new web sites about it anyway. quick B7 conversion guide Lexx = The Liberator and Zen Stanley Tweedle = Vila (without any doubt) Kai = Avon (at a pinch, and with long hair) 790 = Orac on viagra Zev / Xev = multipurpose babe I'm afraid and that's it, I'm not going to bore you all any longer with my obsession. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:57:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Tegan Brandi To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Even more casting Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 1 Jun 1999, Calle Dybedahl wrote: > > Blake Michael Hurst (Iolaus) > Avon Kevin Smith (Ares) > Vila Robert Trebor (Salmoneus) > Jenna Alexandra Tydings (Aphrodite) > Cally Cory Everson (Atalanta) > Gan Kevin Sorbo (Hercules) > > Servalan Reneé O'Connor (Gabrielle) > Travis 1 Lucy Lawless (Xena) > Travis 2 Hudson Leick (Callisto) *g* It's so fun to see synchronicity at work. I was not able to fall asleep last night because I kept thinking about who to cast in all the different roles, and I kept trying to throw Xena/Hercules characters in there. Glad to see you got it to work. :) The list I finally came up with last night that allowed me to sleep: Blake: Kevin Kline Avon: John Malcovich Vila: John Cusak (I did so like that one) Cally: Marisa Tomei (my fiancee suggested Marina Sirtis and I had to smack him) Jenna: Andrea Thompson Gan: Michael Dorn (Though Kevin Sorbo was a very close second) Dayna: Angela Bassett Tarrant: Val Kilmer Soolin: Lucy Lawless Servalin: Glenn Close Travis: Hudson Leick tegan (*) tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu http://goddess.coe.missouri.edu/~tegan "Vir, intelligence has nothing to do with politics." - Londo, Point of No Return ------------------------------ Date: 01 Jun 1999 15:54:45 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Even more casting Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII mistral@ptinet.net writes: > (I could really enjoy this version; but I really must protest > the absence of Bruce Campbell (Autolycus.)) He'll do Tarrant. I got interrupted by work before I got to season 3 and 4. Don't really know who to pick for Dayna and Soolin, though. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "Then I dream of a world where idiots are hunted like wild pigs" -- Stephen Edwards, scary.devil.monastery ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:21:32 -0700 From: "Ann Basart" To: "Blake's7" Cc: "Pat Fenech" Subject: [B7L] New Book on B7: Update Message-Id: <199906011420.HAA15093@oberon.dnai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I asked McFarlane & Co., the publishers, about John Muir's B7 book (originally scheduled for summer), and have received this reply: Thanks for your e-mail. "A History and Critical Analysis of Blake's 7" by John Muir will be available in November 1999 for $38.50 (plus shipping). You can order it at that time by calling our order desk at 1-800-253-2187 or if you would like to e-mail us your mailing address, we would be happy to send you a postcard upon availability of this title. Sincerely, Customer Service Dept. McFarland & Company, Inc., Publishers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:15:09 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] oh my god, he killed blake! Message-ID: <001401beac41$a7fa4100$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone wants to see my graphic version of a B7/southpark cross-over (warning, poor in both taste and execution) then email me and I'll send it to you. I converted it to a GIF so it's about 30K. If anyone wants to pop it on a site then let me know too. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:48:47 EDT From: Carolyn772@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Actors for The Movie Message-ID: <996728fe.24855adf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How 'bout John Glover for Avon? He's not conventionally handsome, but then neither is PD if you come down to it. (So I have a weakness for big schnozes... David Duchovny - hot-cha!) Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:04:11 +0100 From: Murray Smith To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] oh my god, he killed blake! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >If anyone wants to see my graphic version of a B7/southpark cross-over >(warning, poor in both taste and execution) then email me and I'll send it >to you. I converted it to a GIF so it's about 30K. > >If anyone wants to pop it on a site then let me know too. > >Alison I was looking at 'The Web' yesterday, and thought that the scene with the dead Decima, where the other Decimas are gathered around, one of them in tears, would have been a fitting time and place for 'Oh my God! They killed Kenny!' 'You bastards!' Murray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:11:23 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Phoenix - frivolous query Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 01 Jun, J MacQueen wrote: > I'm about to reprint Phoenix again (new computers, > upgraded everything in the software department, new > bugs lying in wait in all probability), and I just > wanted to ask those who own a printed copy - what > colour(s) are the pages? Narrelle's site keeps making > me think I need coloured paper to do it justice! Heavens! Stick to white! By far the easiest to read. My usual reaction to web sites with coloured backgrounds is to switch them off and one of my biggest pet hates is magazines that do jazzy backgrounds behind stories that I am trying hard to read. Crisp contrast of text is very important. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:38:20 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] AvonC/ally Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 01 Jun, mistral@ptinet.net wrote: > And while I'm on the subject of the relationship between the > body and the personality, is it too much to hope that someone's > written a good gen AU in which Cally and Avon's consciousnesses > were reversed at Ultraworld? Does anyone know if such a story > exists, and where I might find it? I only recall one and it was adult. 'Trust Like the Soul' which was okay, but not brilliant. I started one once, but ran out of time/momentum - mind you, it would probably have been slash, so that's no help either. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:24:55 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Website Message-ID: In message <003801bea9a9$0ccd2250$0c01a8c0@hedge>, Una McCormack writes >Actually, I spent half an hour on the phone to a friend the other night >explaining why 'Animals' wasn't as bad as everyone made it out to be, and at >the end of my brainwahing session he said 1. There are worse episodes, 2. It >has some good bits and 3. Will you get off the damn phone now, please? One of the reasons I find Animals irritating is that it has just enough good bits in it that I can't quite find the bottle to never, ever watch it again, not even fast forwarding through about 40 minutes of it. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 21:01:44 +0100 From: "Kevin Mahoney" To: "Lysator List" Subject: Re: [B7L] clip guns Message-ID: <009a01b7f2b7$9519a200$065495c1@MSNKevinPatrickMahoney> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith Proctor wrote: >Anyone know which colour of Scorpio gun clips were for which type of ammunition? Yep, it was scarlet red for stunning! -kev- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:33:14 -0700 (PDT) From: J MacQueen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] B7 and Lexx (was graphics genius wanted) Message-ID: <19990601223314.8488.rocketmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- Alison Page wrote: > that reminds me - I've just read a > scanned copy of some > Canadian TV guide which describes Lexx as 'Blakes > Seven written in Heroin > withdrawal' - which is an amazingly precise > description) Sounds like TV Zone's description, from an interview they printed last year. I think I used it as a quote at the end of a post last year, after I bought that particular issue. That would've been a couple of months after the cover date! It's an intriguing description, not that I can vouch for its accuracy - not without pay TV, anyway. A bit like B7 itself - none of the free-to-air stations want a piece of it. If it comes to that, Neverwhere hasn't been screened by one of the local networks either. It seems my taste in television programmes isn't quite commercial enough. Regards Joanne (blood simmering somewhat) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #179 **************************************