From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #183 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/183 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 183 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Re: Buffy/Blake's 7 (was Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting) Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Re: [B7L] Fan Q and STIFfie winners Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds Re: Buffy/Blake's 7 (was Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting) Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Re: [B7L] Willow Avon? [B7L] Pages Bar reminder [B7L] Sandbaggers-Blake's7 Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Re: [B7L] Willow Avon? [B7L] Re: Buffy/Blake's 7 Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Re: [B7L] Willow Avon? [B7L] Casters anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 09:33:35 +0500 From: Jem Dixon To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain On 04-Jun-99, Pat Patera wrote: Sheesh, it's tough having >all the continents on different schedules. Why is that? >Pat P All the continents on different schedules? Even some countries are on different schedules. I've just found out that because I have a shared aerial I can't get the new digital tv, my lease says I can't mount a satellite dish, and were not likely to get cable until 2003. So I'm stuck with waiting 'til the good old BBC decide to start showing the second half of series two of Buffy, which will not be until the autumn. This means I'm behind people who live just down the road from me, let alone those on a different continent. Sorry, but I'm feeling very frustrated about this, and it's especially ironic with an e-mail address @skyview, when the only sky I get to see is the one with clouds in it. ( I do get some lovely sunsets though, thanks to Londons pollution layer.) Jem -- Being paranoid is one thing that gets easier when everything's against you. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 03:20:06 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Message-ID: <3758F9D5.5E25A20A@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne wrote: > As for Buffy in the future, I can't see it. She'd meet Servalan and > stake her. End of story (Buffy wouldn't _want_ to stake a human being > [although it's possible she'd realize Servalan's a demon (giving a much > better explanation for her survival when Liberator was destroyed)] but > Servalan wouldn't give her any choice). Then everyone would turn to Avon > and say, "Four years of complicated plots and superweapons, and all we > needed was a TENT STAKE?" Servalan as a succubus would explain a *lot*. Mistral -- "And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 03:59:25 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: Buffy/Blake's 7 (was Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting) Message-ID: <3759030D.3D548DAD@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathryn Andersen wrote: > I do, indeed, love crossovers. It's an intriguing idea. I do agree > that this is more than just a single round-robin story idea. People > have spouted about three different incompatible plots already. Even > if I can't think of a story myself, I'd be willing to put on an > Editorial hat for it, unless mistral would rather do that herself - > after all, it's her idea! Oh, Kathryn, I think you look just smashing in your Editorial hat! (I'd have taken it on if nobody else would -- but frankly, I know zip about zines and would have been e-mailing you every five minutes anyway. It has a far better chance of turning out well if you do it.) And I do think it's a 'we' idea, not a 'me' idea -- Steve started us off, and like Topsy, it just 'growed'. I can't imagine that you couldn't come up with a story idea, however. > What about, people put themselves down Bad Mistral! (Does anybody besides me yell insults at Avon or Blake when they stand in the teleport and say 'put me down'?) > for stories to write, said > commitment being something which should encourage writers to *finish* Spoken like a true J, Kathryn. > said story, and the more likelihood of this actually *happening*? > (Yes, I do think a zine is a good idea.) A happy Mistral wanders off nattering to self, trying to tell her thinking cap from her dunce cap, and falls into a plot hole. OWWWW!!!! -- "And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 03:26:29 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Message-ID: <3758FB54.7DB835D@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit K. Michael Wilcox wrote: > Hmm... If someone wants, I suppose I could dust off that "Jenna the > Vampire Slayer" thing I started last year and actually finish it. Please do! > K. M. Wilcox > I've written tens of thousands of words of text for the 'Net but > never contributed to a zine. Whyever not? Mistral -- "And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:39:34 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Fan Q and STIFfie winners Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 04 Jun, Mac4781@aol.com wrote: We're putting in links to the winning zines on the web site, so if you want to be able to buy any of the winning zines (with the exception of Liberator Fantasies which is now out of print), then you'll be able to do so. All the other winning zines are available from myself/Linda Knights. I was really pleased that 'Morgan' got an award for best stand-alone genzine. I sweated more blood on that zine than on anything else I've ever written. (There's an extract on the web site) You can also read many of Chris Blenkarn's filks, including the winning one, on the filk section of the site (or you can buy them in printed form if you prefer). Judith > BLAKE'S 7 STIFfie winners (STIFfie stands for Slash Talent in Fandom) > > Best Poem/Filk: Santa Does Space City by Susan Cutter (Tales from Space City) > Best Short Story: All Work and No Play by Mireille (Liberator Fantasies) > Best Story: Present by Susan Cutter (Diverse Doings 3) > Best Novella: Divide and Conquer by Willa Shakespeare (Fire&Ice 4) > Best Novel: May King by Susan Cutter (Straight Up Press) > Best Zine: Libertor Fantasies (Maverick Press, Jo Ann McCoy) > Best Art: Randym (illo for Path of Thorns) (Liberator Fantasies) > > B7 Fan Qs > > Artist gen: Leah Rosenthal > Artist slash: Randym > Poem/Filk- Gen: We've Got a Little List by Chris Blenkarn (Gilbert and > Servalan Songbook) > Poem/Filk Slash: Santa Does Space City by Susan Cutter (Tales from Space City) > Story Gen: Tears of the Sun by Susannah Lucci (SS#11) > Story Slash: Present by Susan Cutter (Diverse Doings 3) > Stand-alone Zine Gen: Morgan by Judith Proctor > Stand-alone Zine Slash: May King by Susan Cutter > Zine Gen: Southern Seven 11, edited by Ann Wortham > Zine Slash: Liberator Fantasies, edited by Jo Ann McCoy > Non-fiction Zine Gen (honorable mention--because it didn't have any > competition in the category): Deliverance Exhibition Catalogue, Horizon Club > > Carol Mc > > > -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 06:18:27 PDT From: Hellen Paskaleva To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds Message-ID: <19990605131828.82438.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Una wrote: >...what Blake's brave new world would have been like. Interesting theme. I thing on it quite often, maybe because I don’t believe indeed in the sequel after ‘Star One’. I do believe that the real Blake would not qiut from his obligations, when someone offers him a new contract. The Federation after the Andromedian war would probably look like the Eastern block after the downfall of the totalitarian communist regimes. Means, that there would be too many local Administration representatives, desiring to restore the federated System, but with decreasing power to accomplish it. (a bit likes Grose from ‘Moloch’). The main duty of the Blake’s followers would be, therefore, to abolish/ overthrow such people. And it would appear a process of scattering, spread all over the Outer worlds. It would led to declarirng of independence on the most of the remote planets. Once found themselves free of Federal “protection”, they would start to implement an independent politics (may I give the example with the former British colonies, implicitly suggested in ‘Horizon’...). Blake’s mission would be tough, therefore - to deal with the people from the Inner planets. These communities were supposed to be the older in the Federation. Maybe they would be satisfied with their lot - probably without enough civic rights and freedom, but enjoying sufficient certainty. Moreover, if you suddenly feel yourself free to do whatever you want and go wherever you like, but you are captured under a dome... seems, that the people from the Inner planets would had to be forced to their freedom (you know, like the bird, fed whole lifetime in the coop; it would hesitate whether to fly away...) Una again: >What compromises would he have made in order to secure power (if any)? >How far would power have corrupted him? >What would have been the effect of his increasing cynicism on his >idealistic >programme for change? Concerning problem how the power would affect Blake - I do not think he would be affected anyhow. It would be only very hard work without any reward. Hardly to tempt/ seduce anyone. Especially him... >How would history have seen him? As a new William Wallace? Just a suggestion... ;-) Hellen (all above based on her own experience with the post-totalitarian societies) P.S. ...And, sorry for the mess with the verb tenses. They seem to have different usage in English, than in Bulgarian languages...) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:17:25 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: Buffy/Blake's 7 (was Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting) Message-ID: <19990605231724.A544@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 03:59:25AM -0700, mistral@ptinet.net wrote: > > Kathryn Andersen wrote: > > > I do, indeed, love crossovers. It's an intriguing idea. I do agree > > that this is more than just a single round-robin story idea. People > > have spouted about three different incompatible plots already. Even > > if I can't think of a story myself, I'd be willing to put on an > > Editorial hat for it, unless mistral would rather do that herself - > > after all, it's her idea! > > Oh, Kathryn, I think you look just smashing in your Editorial hat! Aw, how kind. (-8 Editorial hat it is. (Kathryn starts thinking of names... "Buffy's Seven" - no, they aren't hers "Blake's Slayers" - no, they aren't his "Liberated Slayers" - no, too vague "Federated Slayers" - no, this is not a Trek zine "Staked Blake" - hmmm...) > (I'd have taken it on if nobody else would -- but frankly, I know > zip about zines and would have been e-mailing you every five > minutes anyway. It has a far better chance of turning out well > if you do it.) And I do think it's a 'we' idea, not a 'me' idea -- > Steve started us off, and like Topsy, it just 'growed'. > > I can't imagine that you couldn't come up with a story idea, however. None has leaped up and siezed me yet. I have to like the idea, after all... > > What about, people put themselves down > > Bad Mistral! (Does anybody besides me yell insults at Avon > or Blake when they stand in the teleport and say 'put me down'?) Not me. > > for stories to write, said > > commitment being something which should encourage writers to *finish* > > Spoken like a true J, Kathryn. Okay. Like a true J, I am all action and precipitous like Tarrant, so anyone who's interested in this project, mail me, and I'll add you to the very primitive mailing list I've set up (which I hope works) which at the moment has all the people I can remember expressed interest (me, mistral, Pat, Kevin, Steve...?) And I haven't tested it yet, but I think it will work. This is so we can discuss things without boring everyone else to bits. It will be a slow turnaround list, because welkin only dials out twice a day (or more often when I'm home and I feel like it). > > said story, and the more likelihood of this actually *happening*? > > (Yes, I do think a zine is a good idea.) > > > > A happy Mistral wanders off nattering to self, trying to tell her > thinking cap from her dunce cap, and falls into a plot hole. > OWWWW!!!! Very painful things, plot holes. (-8 Kerr Avonsen -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 10:48:52 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Message-ID: In message <37587EEC.DB8558C@ptinet.net>, mistral@ptinet.net writes >Get enough writers to do different stories and have several of >each; there do seem to be lots of Buffy fans here. Among the >Americans and Australians anyway; I take it Buffy hasn't gotten >to Britain yet? Oh, it's got to Britain, but it's SF, and therefore only watched by children and adults who ought to grow up, and therefore put on at 6pm, a time when a good many of the potential viewers are still travelling home from work. I keep forgetting to set the video, so I still haven't seen it. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 10:54:10 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Willow Avon? Message-ID: <3poqCFACPPW3EwBj@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <37588015.4942064A@ptinet.net>, mistral@ptinet.net writes >Mm... up until season four he was certainly slimmer than the >average American male I see on the street, although perhaps >not slimmer than the average Hollywood leading-man type actor; >but I was really referring to the fact that I get the impression >that *Avon* is supposed to be slim (in much the way that Vila >is supposed to be small). In Assassin, remember, Benos calls >him skinny. PD *is* slim for much of the series, although a tad podgy for a lot of season 4 (the costume designer's comments on measuring Paul up at the start of filming season 4, when he'd had a year of good food and no running around quarries twelve hours a day...:-). I knew Paul wasn't the 5"11' claimed in his CV, but I was surprised at the Deliverance costume exhibition by just how tiny his costumes were - I doubt if I could get into some of them, and I'm 5 inches shorter than him. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 18:11:31 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: Lysator , Space City Subject: [B7L] Pages Bar reminder Message-ID: <37595A43.26BE1A2D@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Less than a week to go before the drink up at Pages Bar (that's Saturday 12 June). Can people who are coming, please let me know? This is the last reminder As usual, the bar will be open from 5 to 11pm (I'll get there about 5.30). If you haven't been before, let me know roughly what time you're arriving and what you look like and we'll keep an eye out for you. Pages Bar is on Page Street, London SW1P. Nearest tubes are Pimlico and Westminster and railway stations Charing Cross, Victoria and Waterloo are not far away. The No 88 bus, which you can pick up near Piccadilly Circus, goes right past the door. The C10 bus also goes past the door and you can get that at Victoria. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson "What is it with you and holes?" Xena to Gabrielle, Paradise Found ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 10:55:49 -0700 From: "Ann Basart" To: "Blake's7" Subject: [B7L] Sandbaggers-Blake's7 Message-Id: <199906051754.KAA02171@oberon.dnai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (. . . or rather, Neil Burnside and Avon) Someone on the Sandbaggers list wrote: >> As for Neil Burnside, I think women (both fictional characters and we female fans) are attracted to him for 2 reasons: first, we feel this half-maternal concern for him, that he's had a bad marriage, then lost his girlfriend (we tend to conveniently overlook the fact that he all but killed her himself!), and secondly, there's a power thing here. I think we'd like to be able to control this guy who is so obviously a dictator and powermonger himself. << Anyone see Avon in this? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 12:10:41 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Message-ID: <37597631.5ED923FB@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gail / VulcanXYZ@aol.com wrote: > No, no, this is the perfect crew: > > Blake -- William Shatner > Avon -- Leonard Nimoy > Cally -- Majel Barret (in her Christine Chapel guise) > Jenna -- the actress who played Yeoman Janice Rand (sorry, I forgot her name) > Vila -- James Doohan (Scotty, you know) > Servalan -- Majel Barrett (in her Lwaxana Troi guise) > Commissioner Sleer -- Q > Travis -- Walter Koenig > > Ha, ha, just kidding! This is no joking matter. This is too purrrfect. Sleer played by Q made me snort coffee out my nose ':-D and/or Jenna -- Dr. Crusher Cally -- Diana Troy Gan -- Worf Travis II -- yes, sleezy telepath Walter Koenig but, Travis I -- serious Cisco Dayna -- Lt. Yar Soolin -- Kira Narisse Tarrant -- hmmmm a red shirt? (ducks for cover under heavy Tarrant Nostra fire) Pat P http://www.geocities.com/area51/1707 ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 11:26:41 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Message-ID: <37596BE1.C60D4D71@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mistral@ptinet.net wrote: > Hahahahahahah! I begin to wonder if Vila is the descendant of > a Gabrielle and Joxer union? That explains Vila's split personality (half clever, half idiot) > Hmm. Three days with Joxer and Avon might start to really > appreciate Vila a lot more. Nah, Joxer wouldn't last three days > with Avon. At any rate, he'd be dead in a week. Instead of Servalan at Krantor's Casino with Jerriere, imagine our Steel Queen in escort with Joxer The Mighty tee hee hee So perhaps Servalan is a descendent of Ares and Discord? Travis II is surely a scion of Strife and Discord. Pat P http://www.geocities.com/area51/1707 ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 11:51:32 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Willow Avon? Message-ID: <375971B4.8AF147F0@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mistral@ptinet.net wrote: > It would take him some time to get to the putty stage -- whereupon > he'd always find some logical, sensible reason to give her exactly > what she wanted. Except that Willow has too much honor to ask for things; she likes to earn her own way. But just let Vila drool a bit over this new femme come among them and watch Avon chop his hands off! :-) > Can you just see Will coming home to find this dark, mysterious > *sexy* stranger chatting with her parents, and then finding out > he's her dad, and her being all bent out of shape by having thought > her dad sexy? oh my! Pat P http://www.geocities.com/area51/1707 ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 11:59:24 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: [B7L] Re: Buffy/Blake's 7 Message-ID: <3759738C.7CE014C7@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathryn Andersen wrote: > (Kathryn starts thinking of names... > "Staked Blake" - hmmm...) Staked Blake. I *love* it! > so anyone who's interested in this project, mail me,... > This is so we can discuss things without boring everyone else to bits. Boring? I've not chuckled so much in weeks as over this Bf/B7thread. :-D Tramilla, a rabid Buffy fan, is coming to visit me in a few weeks. We'll see what we can do on this project. Kathryn, you keep cracking the whip. Pat P http://www.geocities.com/area51/1707 ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 12:32:59 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Message-ID: <37597B6B.C0524BE1@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit mistral@ptinet.net wrote: > I was thinking of him going all weak-kneed at the sight of the > trés ethereal Cally (hey, she can get possessed again!) hahahahehehe I hope *all* the stories have get Cally possessed. This could become the prediciable "Rocky Horror Picture Show" part of the zine. > Maybe there's an AU where Avon (or Blake?) is the sire of > an entire (flock?) of vampires I prefer horde > > Oooooh. Maybe Willow curses Avon with a conscience? or a soul Eyllenne wrote: >I don't think Avon would approve of Oz after >seeing him turn into a werewolf. If *that* isn't the understatement of the year. > As for Xander, he'd treat him like he treats Vila. Except poor Zander won't have the snappy come back lines. > Giles would take an instant dislike to him but would also >decide he was the only other civilized and intelligent person in town. Absolutely. And Avon would quite take to the research angle of it. Altho when he enlists Orac's help, the subject matter (demons, vampires, werewolves) may blow a few tarial cell circuits, much as Vila's riddles blew up the super brain in Ultraworld. >As for Buffy ... She'd meet Servalan and stake her. >[although it's possible she'd realize Servalan's a demon Wonderful! What nefarious plots Servalan may have going behind the scenes. Perhaps she only *says* she wants Liberator for its power. She really wants it regenerative capabilities to breed an army of regenerative demonic beings. >"Four years of complicated plots and superweapons, > and all we needed was a TENT STAKE?" ROFL! Dreadful Penny wrote: re: >Write in public? Nah, sounds like an extrovert thing to me -- Just do the old Fear Of Public Speaking trick and picture your mailing-list audience naked except for black socks and Federation Trooper helmets. Penny, I know *you* will write the slickest, sickest, snidest story in the collection. a fan of funkiness, Pat P http://www.geocities.com/area51/1707 ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 11:36:49 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Even more casting Message-ID: <37596E41.6CF56DE5@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "K. Michael Wilcox" wrote: > Hmm... If someone wants, I suppose I could dust off that "Jenna the > Vampire Slayer" thing I started last year and actually finish it. we want! we want! > I've written tens of thousands of words of text for the 'Net but > never contributed to a zine. Since the net I've stoped writting tens of thousands of words of text for zines. One can't be everywhere *sigh* without more time Off topic: speaking of time, I read a book recommended on the INTJ list, about genetically modified humans who don't need to sleep. (But actually about the logical intelligence of a minority vs. knee-jerk emotions of a majority) It will appeal to the INTJ mindset, of which we know there are many on this list. "Beggars In Spain" by Nancy Kress. Pat P http://www.geocities.com/area51/1707 ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 11:47:37 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Willow Avon? Message-ID: <375970C9.A7A33603@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa Williams wrote: > >It's interesting that red hair on boys connotes just the opposite that > >it does for girls. > > It does? Must be a culturally localized thing; I've always seen red hair on > boys associated with feistiness, lots of energy, and a propensity for > mischief. sorry. you are correct. Yes, carrot topped boys are thought to have a Huck Finn sort of mischieviesness (sp?). I meant women and men. In the US anyway, red-haired men are considered rather effeminate, possibly because of the very white skin that goes with that coloring. Or, as comics: witness Red Skeleton and the current Carrot Top. And Willow is not what I'd call a redhead; she's more auburn. And lacks the true red head coloring, which is: pink skin and freckles! Now here's something Blakes7 lacked: a true red head (excepting Tynus, who is a good example of that male effeminiate look I mentioned: pasty skin, no visible eyelashes, overall a "weak" demeanor) Pat P http://www.geocities.com/area51/1707 ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:53:41 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] Casters anonymous Message-ID: <000201beb032$a24903a0$1d478cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am I the only one automatically deleting any post with the word 'casting' in the subject header? Bah humbug and who the smeg is Willow? 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