From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #219 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/219 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 219 Today's Topics: [B7L] [Fwd: Mail System Error - Returned Mail] [B7L] alone and silent? Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long) Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long) Re: Lyst wars (Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan)) Re: Re[B7L] website Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long) Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long) Re: [B7L] Disliked characters, etc [B7L] new newsgroups Re: [B7L] Soolin and Avon? Mmmm... Mmmmm... Mmmmm Re: [B7L] new newsgroups [B7L] Re: webpage [B7L] Jenna and Cally [B7L] Penny and Arkaroo can't get through [B7L] Test. 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I await the comfy chairs, the poking with soft cusions, etc. with dread! Actually, I am more surprised that there is someone incensed enough about Travis II to torture me than I care about the torture itself! Does he REALLY have fans?! Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps I just imagined his dreadful, dire acting and whingy irritating voice... I stand corrected. Rob: Are you kidding? You think Avon lacked subtlety? He was beautifully subtle and sophisticated! What you you mean that black leather and studs isn't exactly understated? Who cares - he looked wonderful! Neil: I have to agree that I find the Tarrant/Vila pairing one of the least believable. That isn't because I think they necessarily hated each other - although Vila was wary of Tarrant (not scared though - witness his response in "Moloch" when Tarrant pointed the gun at him). He was mistreated by him though, and I think he felt somewhat of an outcasst when Cally died. "Orbit" certainly lost any previous, tenuous security he felt and I thought he looked quite scared when Avon appeared in "Blake" - in the shack where he was sheltering with Dayna and Soolin (neither of whom liked him either). However, a lot of relationships in B7 were ambiguous - and, therefore, more interesting. Now Blake and Avon - THAT I could believe. A lot was going on there! Tiger: You think Vila preferred Doran to Tarrant. However, I thought that was odd. Doran was a psychotic rapist (well, they all were!). However, I couldn't really see Vila going for that. "Moloch" is worth watching for the Vila/Servalan scenes though - wish they'd done more together. As for only one body on B7 worthy of sculpture - ah well, you're quite welcome to leave Blake for me (and Judith!). I certainly think Gareth Thomas is the most physically attractive - but that's only a matter of taste. Besides they were all gorgeous (apart from Travis II - grin! Sorry Penny!). Lorna B: Perhaps Tarrant and Dayna were a little more impressed with being on Liberator than they admitted? Dayna's father certainly knew who Avon was and seemed quite chuffed at his attempts to bring down the Federation. The chance for "Legendary" or "Infamous" status? I'm not putting this forward as a theory - it's just a thought that occured to me. Adam: You say that Avon showed "no real hostility towards Vila." YES, that's what I meant! Thank you. I await censure, reprimand and reproval in the next list... --===========================_ _= 3882751(4156)931873080-- --------------E2F9611BB67BA22C3E1C70DC-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 02:15:04 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: [B7L] alone and silent? Message-ID: <378C5518.90FCDFB8@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My server's been down most of a day. Got the morning mail from the crossover list but nothing from lysator or personal stuff. If anybody's sent me personally anything particularly important, please resend. Thanx. Mistral -- "It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo." --the third Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 03:27:04 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long) Message-ID: <19990714102712.13805.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Carol Mc writes: And Adamwho replies: Oh, he was scared all right - Tarrant knew what he was doing, and twisted the knife very well. Vila’s 'cowardly posing' is a *completely* different thing and fairly easy to spot (see the start of Seek-Locate-Destroy for a perfect example. And just before he and Avon are teleported into the Forbidden Zone in Pressure Point). No, trying to criticise Vila in order to excuse Tarrant is *not* on, IMHO, it's simply blaming the victim. Once he was down on Keezarn, Vila did what he *had* to - swallowed his fear and got on with surviving. Something he's good at. In a separate post, Carol wrote: Could have been, but I don't think Vila ever had much faith in Avon in that way, and would have just have easily believed it if he'd been told Avon was going to throw *Tarrant* of the ship if it suited. After all, it wasn't IMO till Trial/Killer that Vila sussed out that Avon would *not* do the same to Fearless Leader, and he had no reason to believe anyone else except - maybe - Cally was safe. And he could quite easily have believed that Cally would be no match - even if she tried to help him - for Avon and Tarrant. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:36:43 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 13 Jul, Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote: > > I agree that Vila is a willing accomplice, despite the fact that they are > leaving Blake, Cally and Jenna without emergency teleport in a very dangerous > situation. However, Vila didn't come to his senses from the drug until he was > already in the chair. He says he doesn't want to play, whereupon Krantor > declares that the five million credits would be forfeit. Avon insists that > Vila play, despite the risk to Vila's life. He tries to protest and Avon > overrides him because he'd rather risk Vila's life than forfeit the five > million credits. This seems to be nothing more than selfishness and greed to > me. > > > The script is at > > > > ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/scripts/24.Gambit > > > > if you want to check for yourself. > > I have something better: the pro tapes.;-) Scripts are Ok, but they don't > always have what actually appears on screen in them. They aren't scripts, they're transcripts typed in by fans while they listened to episodes. Thus, baring mistakes, they will agree with what was on screen. Horizon sell copies of rehersal scripts and these will often have dialogue or comments that did not appear on screen. > > > Once Vila has recovered from the drugging, yes, Avon does tell him to > > play (rather than lose the money). But Vila is sober if panicked at > > that point, and I think he wants the money every bit as much as Avon does. > > Hmmm, it looked to me as though Vila wanted to quit and not risk his life, > even if it meant forfeiting the money. I doubt Avon would have been so eager > if it had been his life on the line. That's the way I've always seen it. Avon gambled with Vila's life rather than lose the money. Avon can be an absolute bastard. I love him dearly, but I have to recognise both his good and bad bits. His charm can make love blind. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:22:54 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: Lyst wars (Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan)) Message-ID: <001701bece26$2a89b6e0$f7418cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mistral wrote stacks of stuff, far more than I have time to answer: I can understand that. I don't much care for serious character analyses to be turned into one-sided paeans, either. OTOH, isn't it possible for a thread to split, or progress logically from one topic to another? Hijack it back ;-)> Not generally possible, since the sheer volume of posts takes the thread firmly onto one course. Obviously, this does reflect the interest of most posters (who would seem to be in the Acc 1/2 corner, by Una's Q sorts), and I'm not suggesting they should be silenced in any way, but us Acc 3/4s can end up getting stifled. It's not just a difference in spheres of interest, but a difference in perspective, terms of reference, and just the way posts get written. It's easy for a thread to move in from the outside, far harder for it to move back out again. The series, for example, offers heaps of reference points re the characters, far fewer re the background, so any discussion on the latter has to be conjectural with very little hard evidence to support it. No, of course not everyone enjoys every thread, nor should they feel they have any right to. And the Tarrant example you cite is just another case of moving onto the very character-specifics I would prefer to avoid. (Does Tarrant have dysfunctional attitudes anyway? Ask a question like that and you get a sackload of posts about Tarrant, very few about dysfunctionality). << <> < Now I find this both fascinating and unfathomable. You'd have preferred that paragraph stopped after the first sentence?> Er ... well, yes, actually. So I'm lazy. But supplying evidence without being challenged to do so is something that can really drive me up the wall - I tend to assume that people know what they're talking about until they've proved otherwise (especially on the Lyst - we're all fans here, after all). If nothing else, it makes posts a lot shorter:) I don't really think we're here to change each other's minds. I doubt if you'll ever change mine. I certainly don't believe I could ever change yours:) < *Why* people think and do certain things is far more illustrative than *what* they think and do. For example, I am always disappointed, as earlier this week, when you make a comment about how you view Cally, without explaining *why* you view her that way.> I view her that way mainly because I want to. Same goes for all the other characters. They're fuzzily defined fictional creations that can be adapted to suit the preferences of the viewer, as indeed can the entirety of the series. For me, active fandom is about turning B7 into what you want it to be, not seeking some non-existent definition of what it was. This malleability is one of the most important characteristics of B7, certainly to me one of the most attractive. < From an odd comment here and there, and your essay 'Oh no! Not Dayna', I believe you must have thought about the characters a great deal; and I'd enjoy giving serious consideration to a new slant on Cally; but an unsupported conclusion gives me nothing to ponder, and no incentive to reevaluate my own position.> Since I wasn't trying to get you or anyone else to reevaluate their attitude to Cally, looking for an incentive to do so would be a pretty pointless exercise. << and (b) I don't think - though here I admit that I may well be wrong - that they are half as significant as all these in-depth character analyses seem to suggest. Isolated moments are next to meaningless as sources of information for how two people relate to each other.> <:) Approximately as meaningless as points that define a mathematical function. The more complex the function, the more points are necessary. Human relationships are notoriously complex; the goal is to show the pattern.> We obviously have a very different approach here. At least you acknowledge that I've given the characters some thought... My impressions of the characters is probably based on subliminal absorption of them over the course of all the relevant episodes, rather than specific focussing on particular moments, actions, statements etc. Obviously I notice what they do/say, but I don't -study- such things. I acquire a general fuzzy impression rather than a sharply detailed picture. True, and I would have said so, but I didn't want to ramble on with endless caveats and provisos (another habit I find extremely irritating, and best left to lawyers). I don't think I've seriously tried to argue otherwise (I might have done so with tongue firmly stuffed in cheek, though). Of course the milieu is every bit as contrived as the characters, and considerably more under-developed, which makes it far harder to discuss even though it is, to me at least, every bit as interesting. You could always try reading some B/A slash:) Guaranteed to have me reaching for the sick bag. They're colleagues, not cousins. > Intensive Care, here I come... Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:53:58 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: Re[B7L] website Message-ID: <001601bece26$291873a0$f7418cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una wrote: >> http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/index.htm Judith had a problem with this as well. It loaded OK for me on IE4, though. I'll have a look and see if I can fix it, but if it's nothing eye-grabbingly obvious then it's going to be beyond me. Oh, and Julia - if I really was a masochist, I would change my name to Sara... A Cally tribute page is in the pipeline. First, however, I need some decent pictures of sheep. Neil > >Una > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:41:42 -0500 From: "Lorna B." To: Subject: Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long) Message-Id: <199907141849.NAA29721@pemberton.magnolia.net> Carol Mc said: >I believe the point is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw >stones. Avon doesn't hesitate to send Vila into danger. Sometimes Vila >protests (to no avail) and sometimes he doesn't. It's still a case that >Avon's mission is putting Vila in danger. I don't fault Avon. They were a >team. It's only fair to spread the risks around. The point is both Avon and >Tarrant sent Vila into risky situations. And so did Blake. None of them were saints, lucky for us. :-) >Again, I'm not faulting Avon for choosing Vila for missions or for risking >Vila's life. As Avon said, there are "calculated risks." And they are all >required to take some of them. But I do find it hypocritical that Avon >criticizes Tarrant for frightenging Vila and for sending Vila into danger >when he does the same thing himself. Yes. Nicely put. Actually, it kind of hearkens back to when Blake was around--Avon always had to gripe about and nitpick at whatever plan Blake brought forward (sometimes justifiably, yes) so maybe he was falling back into that pattern with Tarrant's plans. Just a thought. Lorna B. "Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:44:06 -0500 From: "Lorna B." To: Subject: Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long) Message-Id: <199907141851.NAA00021@pemberton.magnolia.net> Carol Mc wrote: >Ooops, you are absolutely right! I need to revise Vila's reliability as a >trustmeter. It's not effective around women (he'd have probably been taken >in as easily by Piri as Tarrant was, come to think of it :) or around men who >enjoy partying. He *was* taken in by Piri. Seemed quite taken by her when they met, to the point of coughing loudly in order to force their being formally introduced. I have no doubt he'd have been falling all over her had he been around her for any length of time. Wonder if she had good legs? Lorna B. "Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:48:58 -0500 From: "Lorna B." To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Disliked characters, etc Message-Id: <199907141856.NAA00550@pemberton.magnolia.net> >> That was a very nasty scene. The only excuse Avon had for that action was >> the very bad position the rebels were in. That would make anyone >> exceptionally testy. But, jeez, Vila really couldn't help blabbing to >> Travis. With a gun to his head, what else could he do? Carol Mc said: >Die. ;-) :-P I meant *besides* that! >Granted Avon has cause to be worried and testy, but he also seems to be >conveniently forgetting that Vila wouldn't have been there to mess up if Avon >hadn't chosen him for the job. Mind you, Avon didn't expect Vila to mess up. This *is* Vila we're talking about. Avon probably should have expected him to mess up. :-) > But things don't always turn out as you expect. Tarrant didn't think he was >sending Vila into danger in CITY. Everyone makes mistakes. True. The Keezarnians looked about as threatening as a basketful of fluffy kittens. They sure made quick work of Bayban's bunch when the closing bell sounded, though. >This might be a time to look at different leadership styles. I'm not saying >one style is wrong and one style is right; I'm just pointing out differences. >When Blake and Tarrant sent people off into danger, they assumed >responsibility for them. > >In SEEK, LOCATE Blake insists on going back for Cally, to name just one >example. A stupid move, this is true. But very Blake. >In CITY Tarrant isn't willing to leave Keezarn without Vila when Avon >suggests it is time to leave (because the light is failing), to name just one >example. I never could figure out why Avon wanted to get back to the ship before lights out. Afraid of the dark, or did they not have enough batteries for their torches? >What say we pop on over to ye old Space City Satellite of Sin >and discuss two bodies worthy of sculpture, particularly when they are >tangled together. Sounds good to me. Lorna B. "Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:31:03 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] new newsgroups Message-ID: Someone's just posted to alt.fan.blakes-7 with the following cross- posting: alt.fan.blakes-7, alt.tv.blakes7, apana.lists.rec.blakes-7, sff.tv.blakes7 s.t.b7 is in the Demon feed (it wasn't last time I checked a few months ago), although a.t.b7 and the apana group aren't. Looks like it's time to update that bit of the FAQ about "Why isn't there a newsgroup?". The groups might have a wide enough propogation now to be usable. (Before anyone says "Deja" might I remind you that much of the European contingent have net access through dialup on metered local calls. Deja is not a financially practical means of following newsgroups for those of us in that situation.) -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:04:16 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Soolin and Avon? Mmmm... Mmmmm... Mmmmm Message-ID: <378CD120.A3ED96BB@netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mistral@ptinet.net wrote: > Mmmm.... [And one of the things > I particularly like is that he always, quite calmly, gives her > an explanation -- and generally without showing any hint > of irritation.] That's because she didn't carry on inanely or ask stupid questions. I feel his tolerant answers showed that he resepcted her intelligence. > Take a look at Headhunter, Gold, Warlord (especially > Warlord). Their working relationship is smooth, efficient, wordless *sigh* they would have made such a mahvelous spy team back in the '60s: The man from R.E.B.E.L. and his beautiful hitman, Soolin > and not only can she handle him -- he allows himself to be handled. oooooooohhhhhhhhh! At this imagery, I feel all ... tingly. Mmmm... Mmmmm... Mmmmm... '-) > > In general, though, Soolin had the ability to look into people's hearts. > > Actually, it's because of that sensitivity that she's likely to > care for him eventually. Watch her expression in Headhunter, when Avon is trying to seat the android's limiter head. He is getting painful electric shocks, and from the look on Soolin's face, she is the only observer who "feels his pain." In a way, it is out of character for Soolin to show that kind of caring for another, but I like to think she makes a special exception to her icy facade just for Avon. > > Someone as complicated as Soolin would need to be with someone who > > understood her perfectly. Avon simply lacked the subtlety and > > sophistication to do so. > > Dear me, I'd have to think that Soolin's well aware that no-one > is ever understood perfectly. I agree. Soolin in practical, with no delusions about how things could be, should be, might be, etc. That's Cally territory. I could even see Dayna operating from a sense of righteousness illusion. And, of all the characters (except perhaps Servalan and Carnell) I found Avon the most subtle and sophisticated. As for Avon's flaws, I think Soolin would appreciate them, for she is flawed herself and could not measure up to a perfect paradigm of loving warmth and compassion such as an emotionally "whole and undamaged" man might be. I see Soolin's driving force as survival. Hence, becoming intimate / trusting with someone superior to her would put her at a disadvantage; a position she would never assume. Her S.O. would need to be a competent survivalist, yet imperfect. Avon fits the bill. (and being handsome and briany and sexy don't hurt a bit either) Slavering Pat P http://www.geocities.com/area51/1707 ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:15:14 EDT From: AdamWho@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] new newsgroups Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-07-14 15:09:23 EDT, julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk writes: << Someone's just posted to alt.fan.blakes-7 with the following cross- posting: alt.fan.blakes-7, alt.tv.blakes7, apana.lists.rec.blakes-7, sff.tv.blakes7 >> AOL has none of these listed as available, if any of the other AOLers here want the process to move a little faster, send mail to NewsMaster and request any or all of these newsgroups. If anyone else has any other suggestions, be my guest, I know very little about how to get AOL to allow us access to these newsgroups. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:12:43 +0100 From: "Susan Bennett" To: "Lysator" Subject: [B7L] Re: webpage Message-ID: <005e01bece3d$c2d330e0$2691cbc1@compaq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una & Neil: You mean that wasn't the joke? The caption said that promises were hard to deliver and there was no picture, so I thought it was one of Neil's... er... political statements . Susanb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:12:09 +0100 From: S Riaz To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Jenna and Cally Message-ID: <378CFD28.EDD91461@virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam wrote: The only way Cally and Jenna could ever be more than civil toward each other was a team up against Blake. Not so. Witness Cally's behaviour in "Orac" when Jenna is ill with radiation sickness and staggers in the corridor returning to her cabin. Cally is obviously concerned, and rushes up to help her. I think Cally missed Jenna and Blake a lot. After all, the Liberator crew had rescued her really, from a very lonely and traumatic situation. After being virtually outcast from Auron and then alone on Saurian Major, I think Cally appreciated being accepted by the others. I'm not entirely sure about this, but I think Tarrant and Dayna did make the odd reference to Cally's being alien and, therefore, suspect, which seemed to upset her. Possibly because having done her part to be accepted by the original Liberator crew, she then had to deal with new people who saw her as "different" all over again. Jacqueline, Chief High Inquisitioner of the Church of the True Travis?! I sense I am dealing with some VERY odd people here... Perhaps we have more in common than we would like to admit! (Didn't like his eyepatch either...) I remain unrepentant! Sally Manton: Oh, PLEASE don't tell me that there are Jarriere fans? Please, please! I don't believe it - I can't believe it. Surely there were reasons he only appeared in one episode! (Actully, saying that, so did Carnell and Del Grant - thus the scriptwriters threw away two very good characters). By the way, Neil, I visited your website today. The photo's of Avon's range of expressions was deliciously priceless and wickedly funny! Also, I read "Morgan" yesterday. Judith has had my emails enthusing over it - simply the best zine I've ever read. Anyone want to share thoughts on it with me? Anyone not read it - go get a copy then! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:03:46 -0600 From: Arkaroo To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Penny and Arkaroo can't get through Message-ID: <378D1752.CEC@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I certainly hope this gets through to the list, though I doubt it will. We're unable to post, you see. Tragic. Arkaroo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:39:17 -0600 From: Penny To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Test. Don't Bother To Read. Really. Message-ID: <378D1FA5.3263@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Test. Yawn. I warned you it wouldn't be worth your while. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #219 **************************************