From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #23 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/23 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 23 Today's Topics: Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #316 Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #321 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:21:01 GMT From: "Dita Stanistraken" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #316 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT [Content deleted by admin. You've already seen it about 15 times...] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:21:51 GMT From: "Dita Stanistraken" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #321 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:33:00 +0100 (MET) > From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se > Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #321 > To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se > Reply-to: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > ------------------------------ > > Content-Type: text/plain > > blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 321 > > Today's Topics: > Re: [B7L] Travis, etc. > Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Re: [B7L] T.'s Offer to S. in 'The Keeper' > Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > [B7L] Re: Casting > Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Re: [B7L] Re: Casting > FW: [B7L] Travis has three faces > RE: [B7L] RPG > Re: [B7L] RPG > Re: [B7L] RPG > [B7L] zine prices > [B7L] Space Fall > [B7L] OT: ah been cut off from worl > Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:55:49 -0000 > From: "Jenni -Alison" > To: "lysator" > Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis, etc. > Message-Id: <199812292347.AAA02564@samantha.lysator.liu.se> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Neil wrote: > > > Iasked who, not why. The why is obvious. > > If Servalan seized power during the crisis of Star One, which was somewhat > unanticipated, she may have leapt before she was ready. Her influence might > well have extended far enough to knock out the influential members of the > high council, but could she really have had enough people in place to kill > off all bureaucrats - councilors in waiting ready to fill the old members > shoes when time allowed? With the unexpectedly high losses of troops and > ships in the conflict with the Andromedans her hold on power could well > have been tenuous at best. I suggest that she may have had the slenderest > of holds on power, and the frequency with which she was forced to leave the > centre of power, combined possibly with the abortive coup lead by Sula, > destabilised her sufficiently that the remaining support group centred > around the ex-councillors combined could elevate and appoint new > Councillors, call on political or familial loyalties within the military > (may commanders could well be family members for high placed political > Alphas) and declare Servalan a traitor while she was off on a mission with > some of her most loyal officers. After all, Travis was so much better than > what she had left, and he didn't turn out that effective, did he? > > Jenni > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:17:28 -0000 > From: "Neil Faulkner" > To: "lysator" > Subject: Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Message-ID: <003701be3399$72dab020$fc1aac3e@default> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Because of the spiders, it was only safe to harvest kairopan for the seven > >days after the vernal equinox. The plan was to steal the kairopan when it > was > >in transport. The impression the episode gives is that the heist would > have > >succeeded if Tarrant hadn't been up against someone who knew him so > >well--Jarvik. Tarrant easily outwits a standard Federation trap early in > the > >episode. Tarrant's military background gave him an edge in that case. His > >military background--most specifically the time he served under > Jarvik--worked > >against him later. > > > The trouble with 'Harvest' is it's too concerned with ranting from a soapbox > and not nearly concerned enough with making sense. The central thrust of > Ben Steed's luddite tirade is that we poor human beings are degraded, > deluded and dehumanised by the relentless march of technological progress. > Hence we get Jarvik, who as a 'real man' is ultimately nothing more than an > untypically rugged Mary Sue. He proves he's a bona fide Ubermensch by > lobotomising a couple of troopers, fooling Tarrant and capturing the > Liberator with a ruse the Brady Bunch could see through, and giving Servalan > the good hard shagging she's been needing for years. Rambo's almost a pinko > drip by comparison. > > And it all hangs on a plot that doesn't bear examination. All that > technology that Jarviks rails against would make short work of any marauding > spiders. Or since the kairopan (just what was it valuable for anyway?) > simply lies around on the surface, it could be collected by robots. > > I don't really know much about Ben Steed, but he comes across as a closet > fantasy-monger who thinks SF falls under the same umbrella. And why does he > always have to peddle his misogyny in every episode he writes? He's worse > than Robert Holmes and his homophobia. > > Neil (aka Rik) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:49:03 -0000 > From: "Neil Faulkner" > To: "lysator" > Subject: Re: [B7L] T.'s Offer to S. in 'The Keeper' > Message-ID: <003601be3399$7209a480$fc1aac3e@default> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Can I be Vyvyan, then? > > Oi, no! Bagsy me for Vyvyan. Actually I'm more of a Rik, and I'm only > *calling* myself Neil to *confuse* you and it actually worked rather well > didn't it, which is really pretty 'anarchic' when you think about it. > > > >>Disagree completely. Servalan believed in the Federation. > > > >She tried to rip them off in 'Deliverance'/'Orac' and 'Weapon', screwed > >them over to save her own skin in 'Pressure Point', *and* overthrew them > >at her earliest viable opportunity in 'Star One'. She may well have > >believed in *Servalan's Federation* (cf. Dave Barry, beating Terry > >Pratchett to the punch, I think - and I paraphrase: 'Power to the > >People: i.e. Power to Me and a Few of My Friends Who Know What's Good > >For The People') but inasmuch as loyalty to the Federation means > >respecting/obeying its precedents...No. Servalan is an Eva Peron who did > >not have the misfortune to die at 33. > >Or was that Jesus? > > > Servalan believed in the Federation, just as Hitler believed in Germany. > When you know what's good for everyone else, you're driven by something far > higher and nobler than mere personal ambition. Just look at Blake. For > Servalan, power was a means to an end. And an end which justified any means > at that. > > > >>Who the frag is frag, and if you revere Him so, why don't you capitalise > >His name? > > Frag is shorthand for 'fragmentation'. As in grenade. It can also be > regarded as a euphemism. > > > >>>Travis didn't want all that power, too complicated, messy. He wanted > >>>*access* to all that power. He wanted Servalan to take control and > >just > >>>give him whatever he asked for (Ships to chase Blake. Guns to shoot > >>>Blake. Knives to stab Blake). > >> > >>Nope, he wanted to take out Star One, let the Andromedans in, and wave > >>bye-bye to the human race. Since he went to Star One believing he was > >the > >>only one knowing where it was, he had no reason to expect Blake to be > >there. > >>Ergo eliminating Blake had become a lesser priority. > > > >Aaah, I really would like to disagree with Neil here, but that's always > >been my reading... > > Then you're right, aren't you... > > > >>Travis needed to believe that Servalan, along with > >>the rest of the Federation, was corrupt beyond redemption. His offer > >of > >>Star One on Goth was his way of testing Servalan. The result ran > >counter to > >>his expectations but he went ahead anyway. > > > >Yes, no doubt in my mind, it *was* by way of testing Servalan, but I > >don't imagine his reasoning was that *rational*. > > Whoever said it had to be? He was one poor mixed-up bunny by that stage, > albeit the kind that bites people's heads off. > > Neil > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:07:01 -0000 > From: "Neil Faulkner" > To: "lysator" > Subject: Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Message-ID: <003801be3399$738288e0$fc1aac3e@default> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Jenni Allison wrote: > > >If Servalan seized power during the crisis of Star One, which was somewhat > >unanticipated, she may have leapt before she was ready. > > She knew Blake was looking for Star One, she'd be a right fool to believe > that Travis might not have found it. So she had some forewarning that a > crisis involving Star One was in the offing. By saying 'she may have leapt > before she was ready', which suggests she had been planning a coup for some > time. There's no real evidence for that, as I recall. In fact, her removal > of the President and High Council seems to be motivated by her belief that > *they* are the ones tinkering with Star One, so she was forced to stage a > coup in order to save the Federation from this enemy within. > > On the other hand, that might just have been her excuse, though personally I > don't think so. > > >Her influence might > >well have extended far enough to knock out the influential members of the > >high council, but could she really have had enough people in place to kill > >off all bureaucrats - councilors in waiting ready to fill the old members > >shoes when time allowed? > > Would she need to? Most of those scrambling up the ladder of power don't > really care who's at top, they just want to make it to the next rung up. In > fact, many would welcome a change of management - a whole brand new pair of > shoes to lick. > > >With the unexpectedly high losses of troops and > >ships in the conflict with the Andromedans her hold on power could well > >have been tenuous at best. > > This was first mooted, I think, in 'Harvest' ("There isn't a Federation any > more" - Tarrant), and things didn't seem to have got much better by > 'Moloch'. > > >...the remaining support group centred > >around the ex-councillors combined could elevate and appoint new > >Councillors, call on political or familial loyalties within the military > > and declare Servalan a traitor > > Quite possible. Although the magic words are never mentioned, I think the > Federation was thrown into a state of civil war following the Andromedan > invasion. Evidence is slender, though: > - Chesku talked of "Earth and the Inner Planets being reunited", so > presumably they had been divided for a while. Perhaps this was one of > Servalan's few successes? Control of Earth would give her a considerable > edge, if only psychological. > - CA1 referred to a galactic rather than intergalactic war, possibly > indicating galaxy-wide infighting. More likely a slip up by Roger Parkes, > though. > - Justin cited the rest of the research team on Bucol 2 being wiped out > by an enemy gunship. If the enemy were alien, you'd think he might have > mentioned that. But then again, perhaps not. > > One thing I do suspect strongly is that Servalan was not deposed by a > military faction. The High Council was restored after she was deposed > (which implies she dissolved the Council at some point after 'Rumours'), not > replaced by a military government. Also, there is no mention of Space > Command throughout the 4th Season, suggesting that the new civilian > government was determined not to give the military the same kind of > quasi-autonomy it had enjoyed in the pre-War days. Which endorses what > Jenni suggests above, that familial and ideological loyalties ultimately > took precedence over professional ones. > > Thank you, Jenni. > > Neil > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:07:01 EST > From: Tigerm1019@aol.com > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics > Message-ID: > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-12-29 21:15:40 EST, Neil wrote: > > << One thing I do suspect strongly is that Servalan was not deposed by a > military faction. The High Council was restored after she was deposed > (which implies she dissolved the Council at some point after 'Rumours'), not > replaced by a military government. Also, there is no mention of Space > Command throughout the 4th Season, suggesting that the new civilian > government was determined not to give the military the same kind of > quasi-autonomy it had enjoyed in the pre-War days. Which endorses what > Jenni suggests above, that familial and ideological loyalties ultimately > took precedence over professional ones. > >> > > This raises a question. In the fourth season, was it the Federation that was > after the Scorpio crew or was it primarily Servalan/Sleer? She seemed to be > behind the attempts to capture or kill them, and in episodes such as > "Assassin," I got the impression that it was a personal vendetta, perhaps > because they could identify her as Servalan. She either wanted them dead or > under her control where they could don her no harm. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:14:51 -0500 > From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> > To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" > Subject: [B7L] Re: Casting > Message-ID: <199812292215_MC2-6508-7110@compuserve.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Joanne replied: > >Harriet said: > >>If Basil is Krantor, can Manuel be Toise? > > >Can't see it myself (the ABC is repeating Fawlty > >Towers on Saturday nights at the moment). How > >about Sybil? Well, it's just a suggestion. Sybil and > >Basil seem to be operating on roughly the same > >planet, as do Krantor and Toise. Manuel might > >be better off as the croupier. > > If anything, I'd have Sybil as the Croupier. Polly is Chenie, and I think > the Major might be Docholli. The casting for Cevedic doesn't immediately > strike me. > > Harriet > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:18:36 EST > From: Tigerm1019@aol.com > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Message-ID: <31d2cce7.36899b8c@aol.com> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-12-29 21:15:27 EST, Neil wrote: > > << And it all hangs on a plot that doesn't bear examination. All that > technology that Jarviks rails against would make short work of any marauding > spiders. Or since the kairopan (just what was it valuable for anyway?) > simply lies around on the surface, it could be collected by robots. > >> > > Perhaps the kairopan would be damaged by robots, or robots were too expensive. > I remember an anecdote one of my history professors told. He was in Turkey. > He saw a refridgerator unloaded off a ship ans several men picked it up and > started carrying it down the road. He asked what was going on and was told > that the fridge was being delivered to a town something like a hundred miles > away. It was cheaper to hire several men to carry that fridge on foot than it > was to get a truck. The Federation didn't seem to be particularly concerned > about people's lives. > > As for the spiders, maybe they were as tough as cockroaches or something. For > all our technology, there's not too much we can do about them. And perhaps > the kairopan was essential to a manufacturing process or was refined into > something else. Silver ore doesn't look like much either. > > Tiger M > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:31:17 PST > From: "Joanne MacQueen" > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Message-ID: <19981230033118.5224.qmail@hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > >The trouble with 'Harvest' is it's too concerned with ranting from a > >soapbox and not nearly concerned enough with making sense. [snip] > >And it all hangs on a plot that doesn't bear examination. All that > >technology that Jarviks rails against would make short work of any > >marauding spiders. Or since the kairopan (just what was it valuable > >for anyway?) simply lies around on the surface, it could be collected > >by robots. > > Thank you, Neil. Would it be better if I avoided that > episode if it ever came my way? Or does it have to be seen to be > believed? > > Mind you, the same writer was responsible for "Power", wasn't he, and I > haven't seen that either. Which episode is worse? (You are at liberty to > point to other episodes as being truly bad, if you wish.) > > Regards > Joanne > > When you're seaching your soul, when you're searching for pleasure > How often pain is all you'll find > But when you're coasting along & nobody's trying too hard > You can turn around and like where you are > --The Sundays, When I'm Thinking About You > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:08:21 -0600 > From: Lisa Williams > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Message-Id: <199812300404.WAA06563@mail.dallas.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Joanne MacQueen wrote: > > >Would it be better if I avoided that episode if it ever came my way? Or > >does it have to be seen to be believed? > > Oh, you *have* to see "Harvest". It's one of the funniest episodes of the > whole series. > > - Lisa > _____________________________________________________________ > Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@rsc.raytheon.com > > Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ > New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:22:07 -0600 > From: "Lorna B." > To: > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Casting > Message-Id: <199812300416.WAA21197@pemberton.magnolia.net> > > Harriet said: > > >If anything, I'd have Sybil as the Croupier. Polly is Chenie, and I think > >the Major might be Docholli. The casting for Cevedic doesn't immediately > >strike me. > > How about Terry the Cook? Or better still--O'Reilly the contractor. > Competence was hardly his middle name either... > > Lorna B. > "Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:59:13 +1030 > From: "Dunne, Martin Lydon - DUNML001" > To: Lysator List > Subject: FW: [B7L] Travis has three faces > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Judith Proctor [SMTP:Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk] > > Sent: Monday, 14 December 1998 3:56 > > To: Lysator List > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis has three faces > > > > > > > > >> 1980 Blake's 7 annual, published by IPC. > > >> Why is Travis a guy with a goatee and no obvious cybernetic attachments? > > > > >Probably because the artists lived overseas and had hardly any reference > > >pictures. You'll find the same few character costumes crop up again and > > again, > > >even when they were no longer being worn on screen. > > >I'd bet that they simply didn't known what he looked like. (They usually > > get > > >his rank wrong in the annuals) > > >Judith > > > > > > So, is this the answer? Poor source material? Does anyone know who the artist > > was? > > > > Homophobic or not, Robert Holmes was still The Man! A Holmes script is > > readily identifiable through equal parts Drama and Sadism. > > > > What about the film clip of "Learning to Fly"? The one with the guy reaping a > > field and then jumping off a cliff with a couple of feathers? Couldn't escape > > it in 1988! > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:24:41 +1030 > From: "Dunne, Martin Lydon - DUNML001" > To: "'Dangermouse'" , lysator > Subject: RE: [B7L] RPG > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain > > > ---------- > > > From: calle@lysator.liu.se > > > Unless it's a very, *very* strange campaign, Orac absolutely should > > > not be a player character. > > > Dangermouse > > Hm. > > > > Again, I could see him work in Paranoia... > > > > > > > I like Paranoia. My players are undecided. > Martin > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:02:36 -0000 > From: "Dangermouse" > To: > Cc: > Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG > Message-Id: <199812301315.NAA08190@gnasher.sol.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > ---------- > > From: ARBoddy@aol.com > > > Again, I could see him work in Paranoia... > > > > As a PC? He'd be rather hampered, wouldn't he? No functional > > mobility, and given the nature of the computers with which he'd have > > to interact, the player would be making insanity rolls every few > > minutes. [Insert smiley here] > > Still, it'd be a challenge. > > > As an NPC, though, it'd be fun, since we all know what the > > Computer's reaction would be. > > Absolutely, which is mainly what I meant. > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:01:43 -0000 > From: "Dangermouse" > To: "Dunne, Martin Lydon - DUNML001" , > "lysator" > Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG > Message-Id: <199812301315.NAA08187@gnasher.sol.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > ---------- > > From: Dunne, Martin Lydon - DUNML001 > > I like Paranoia. My players are undecided. > > Yeah, it's generally better for the GM - who at least gets to see how funny > the plot can be... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:10:41 +0100 (BST) > From: Judith Proctor > To: Space City > cc: Lysator List > Subject: [B7L] zine prices > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > As of 10 January the prices of all Linda Knight's zines will be going up by a > minimum of 20 cents because of increased US postal rates. (Zines that she > agents from me will be unaffected as UK postal rates have not changed) > > If you get an order in before 10 Jan (or before 9 Jan if ordering via me in the > UK) then you'll get the zines at the current price. > > Judith > -- > http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 > > Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention > 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent > http://www.smof.com/redemption/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:14:17 -0000 > From: "Dangermouse" > To: > Subject: [B7L] Space Fall > Message-Id: <199812302018.UAA09861@gnasher.sol.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Oh, I was just flicking through the BBFC's website and it says the > rerelease this year was uncut- wish I'd bought one now... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:20:56 +1100 (EST) > From: kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen) > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Blake's 7 list) > Subject: [B7L] OT: ah been cut off from worl > Message-Id: > Content-Type: text > > This is terribly off-topic, but if anyone's been trying to email me > for the past few days, it may not have gotten through, since a site > upstream from welkin got its disk filled up and went comatose for a > few days. > > ObB7: This of course reminds me of my usual perennial wondering; what > is a Tarriel Cell really? And how widespread were voice-recognition > computers in the Federation? I got the impression that they were rare > because the standard interface we see the plebs and Servalan's people > using was a keyboard. I assumed that this was because computers able > to understand voice commands were really expensive. > > However, another thought has just occurred to me -- maybe at least in > the military, voice-recognition computers weren't used for security > reasons. Yes, voice-recognition as a way of preventing unauthorised > persons *using* the computer would seem to be a *positive* security > aspect - but get one audio bug in a command centre, and there goes all > your security. The other thing is that it might be clearer if spoken > commands only went to people; it might confuse the computer if a lot > of people were talking at once. After all, Slave was considered to be > *unusually* sophisticated, so maybe other voice-recognition computers > were limited to being rich people's playthings, or academic perks. > > Kathryn Andersen > A.S.K.S. > -- > _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen > / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat > \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" > v | > ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere > Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:59:09 -0000 > From: "Paul Whalley" > To: "Blakes7 Mailing List" > Subject: Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > Message-ID: <000001be3454$d80ed320$9402883e@twleckuj> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joanne MacQueen > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Date: 30 December 1998 03:46 > Subject: Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest > > > > > Thank you, Neil. Would it be better if I avoided that > >episode if it ever came my way? Or does it have to be seen to be Dita, President and Supreme Commander of the Terran Federation. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #23 *************************************