From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #234 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/234 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 234 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Holidays/presents Re: [B7L] Holidays/presents Re: [B7L] Holidays/presents [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... Re: [B7L] Holidays/presents [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... Re: [B7L] Holidays/presents Re: [B7L] Sheila Paulson, try two [B7L] Re: Harriet's Pella essay Re: [B7L] Holidays/presents Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... [B7L] Happy Hondo [B7L] Re: Mission to Destiny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:25:58 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Holidays/presents Message-ID: <379FF3F5.C21D891@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holidays: I've got an urge to send Blake and Cally on a ski-trip, can't think why unless it's that they'd both look terrific in the clothes. Tarrant to do an intensive dance course, where he'll specialize in the tango, the flamenco, and the Tarrantelle. Hmm. Think I'll send Servalan along as his dance partner. Avon gets a sabbatical at a Shaolin temple, to work on inner peace. Vila? I'll tell him he's going to lie on a tropical beach and look at nice legs, but then I'll really send him to be a counselor for two weeks at a camp for gifted child delinquents. Presents: Jenna needs a change of necklace. Soolin gets lacy lingerie to go under those too utilitarian jumpsuits. Dayna gets twenty minutes alone in a room with Servalan and a clean getaway. Books for the fellas: Blake gets The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Gan gets Anthony Robbins' Awaken the Giant Within, Vila gets The 48 Laws of Power, and Avon gets copies of all the fanfic ever written about him, plus a bottle of tranquilizers. FWIW, Mistral -- "It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo." --the third Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:34:54 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Holidays/presents Message-ID: <01f501bed997$1ccdefe0$4e418cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Writeth Mistral +AD4-Soolin gets lacy lingerie to go under those too utilitarian jumpsuits. We're just never going to see eye-to-eye, are we? You say the jumpsuits are too utilitarian, whereas I would contend that they're unnecessarily ornate and gaudy. And they look too damn -new-, like all the S4 outfits. I want split seams, frayed hems, and stains that will never wash out (meaning grease or engine oil and stuff like that, but I'll settle for curry). And Soolin's way too hard to bother with lacy lingerie. Anyway, I'm off on my hols, seven days in sunny Somerset (oo-arrr). Pressure Point has been delayed by printing problems (aka grey tones on screen not matching those my printer wants to give me) but I'll get cracking on it once I get back. Merry posting, Lysters Neil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:05:03 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Holidays/presents Message-ID: <37A0193F.16F0E61B@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > We're just never going to see eye-to-eye, are we? Oh, I dunno, we both like B7, and dislike Servalan's more vampish turns ;-) There was something else, but I forget. > You say the jumpsuits are > too utilitarian, whereas I would contend that they're unnecessarily ornate > and gaudy. And they look too damn -new-, like all the S4 outfits. I want > split seams, frayed hems, and stains that will never wash out (meaning > grease or engine oil and stuff like that, but I'll settle for curry). Ooh, I agree they're more gaudy than is necessary for practicality, I just meant they were too utilitarian to be fun to wear. If one must choose between practical and stylish, I'm for practical every time; but it should be possible to have both. The rest of that I'll agree with; although, maybe laundering techniques have improved considerably; maybe you hang your clothes in a cabinet that removes everything that's not the appropriate fibre content? > And Soolin's way too hard to bother with lacy lingerie. Nah, she's more complex than that; call it a guilty pleasure. Enjoy the hols. Mistral -- "It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo." --the third Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:24:27 -0400 From: "Gary W" To: Subject: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... Message-ID: <002101bed9b4$ec16a400$c76cf4cf@Pgadam> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello all, I thought the other day after watching one of my fave episodes.... what about Blake cultivating the virus that killed the populous of Fosforon? The ep in question is 'Killer'. I know Blake felt bad about anyone, even Servalan getting the viral infection and escaping... however, I think towards the end of the series Avon would be desperate enough to try it. Recall that Orac had typed the viral structure of the virus and relayed it to Dr. Bellfriar so he could come up with a viral antidote... isn't it possible that Orac could as well? Just a thought that the Zukon-Unification idea fell through, Avon might have tried that ideal. He had no reservations about killing Servelan in it, and opposed the launch of the plague warning beacon, which presumably Blake launched after the 'credits' if we are to believe the ideal he expressed at the end of the show. What do others think about this. I am sure there are other similar things that happen throughout the series that could also make it onto a list of things that would end the Federation for good. This seemed to me to be the best solution. Perhaps the aliens in 61 Cygni would also be pleased? I throw in the towel and prepare to dodge the bullets! :) Regards, Gary W. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:34:57 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Holidays/presents Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joanne wrote: > You are perfectly at liberty to send Avon to a loony bin, should you so > desire, but I'd rather you didn't (Some hope! ) I suppose you'd object to a SCUBA vacation in barracuda infested waters as well. ;) Not that we have to worry about Avon; barracudas would probably end up on the endangered species list after he finished with them. Let's be kind to Vila and send him and Orac to Las Vegas; he can win at gambling, go to all the shows, and drink to his heart's content. Dayna deserves a cruise--one with special programs designed to entertain hand-to-hand combat enthusiasts. Soolin might like a health spa with massages and mud baths. I somehow picture Tarrant left guarding Scorpio while the others are gone, but peace, quiet and isolation can be the most pleasant vacation of all. If he feels the need for companionship, he can call on Slave. Slave seemed to have a soft spot for Tarrant. As for your own vacation, Joanne, I do hope you remembered to pack Tarrant Nostra approved items for your brainwashing pleasure. ;) Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:33:26 +0200 From: Angria@t-online.de (Tanja Kinkel) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hello Gary, > I thought the other day after watching one of my fave episodes.... > > what about Blake cultivating the virus that killed the populous of Fosforon? > The ep in question is 'Killer'. I know Blake felt bad about anyone, even > Servalan getting the viral infection and escaping... however, I think > towards the end of the series Avon would be desperate enough to try it. Yes, but towards what purpose? Infect the galaxy, and then say he's got the antidote and if the Federation doesn't surrender, he won't deliver? Since the whole thing kills in less than a day, he wouldn't even have time to accept a potential surrender. And desperate or not, what good would a wiped out galaxy be to anyone? If you're thinking of "only" infecting Servalan plus assorted Federation officials, watch "Killer" again. There's no way they could keep the infection from reaching the rest of the population in time. Besides, I've always suspected that the "alien" virus Servalan uses to kill the Auronar is the same as from "Killer" (it works as fast, the symptoms are similar), which would mean she's already got the antidote. Tanja ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:12:36 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... Message-ID: <37A06153.B36F1BE9@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tanja Kinkel wrote: > Hello Gary, > > > I thought the other day after watching one of my fave episodes.... > > > > what about Blake cultivating the virus that killed the populous of Fosforon? > > The ep in question is 'Killer'. I know Blake felt bad about anyone, even > > Servalan getting the viral infection and escaping... however, I think > > towards the end of the series Avon would be desperate enough to try it. > > Yes, but towards what purpose? Infect the galaxy, and then say he's got the > antidote and if the Federation doesn't surrender, he won't deliver? Since the > whole thing kills in less than a day, he wouldn't even have time to accept a > potential surrender. And desperate or not, what good would a wiped out galaxy be > to anyone? If you're thinking of "only" infecting Servalan plus assorted > Federation officials, watch "Killer" again. There's no way they could keep the > infection from reaching the rest of the population in time. I understood from 'Killer' (one of my top five faves!) that the virus only affected people who'd been into deep space. If that were the case, the damage would be massive, but not all the population would be destroyed; however, the Federation would collapse because with the virus in people's systems, it couldn't send troops into space, each planet would be isolated and independent. > Besides, I've always suspected that the "alien" virus Servalan uses to kill the > Auronar is the same as from "Killer" (it works as fast, the symptoms are > similar), which would mean she's already got the antidote. Similarly, I don't see how that's possible, as not all of the Auronar could have been into deep space, and yet they were all wiped out. However, Bellfriar was a Federation virologist, and he came up with the antidote, so presumably other Federation virologists would eventually; and surely not all of them would have been into space, so some of them would live long enough to find a cure. So releasing the virus would seem to be a pointless exercise, providing temporary confusion at best. Just IMHO, Mistral -- "It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo." --the third Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:01:04 PDT From: "Hellen Paskaleva" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... Message-ID: <19990729180104.15770.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mistral wrote: >I understood from 'Killer' (one of my top five faves!) that the >virus only affected people who'd been into deep space. If that >were the case, the damage would be massive, but not all the >population would be destroyed... Well, now, let me speak as a professional... Viruses usually affect the one's body, linking to the one's DNA. Therefore, it is needed deep space trips to cause some kind of mutations in the human's DNA (which mutation, as a feature, to be "recognised" and affected by the virus). Such a mutations, thinks, are unlikely to appear. Otherwise, all these people, who had been travelled into deep space, would have had problems with their heredity (is *this* the proper word, i.e. when one have genetic problems in one's progeny -- my dictionary spat it out, but I'm not sure...), which, consequently, would affect the basic structure of the society. Last, but not least, I can't see Blake to use such a threat against Federation' citizens. He fights FOR them, not AGAINST them, at least. Hellen, the Bulgarian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:46:45 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Holidays/presents Message-ID: <2f3K$GAFOJo3Ewym@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <379FF3F5.C21D891@ptinet.net>, mistral@ptinet.net writes > Avon >gets copies of all the fanfic ever written about him, plus a >bottle of tranquilizers. *All* of it? He's going to need more than a bottle... -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:01:20 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Sheila Paulson, try two Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 27 Jul, Mac4781@aol.com wrote: > "I am the author of two RGB stories that were published a long time ago > in separate zines: Game of Humanity, which was in Probability Square, and The > Dreamers, its sequel, which was in Blake's Doubles 4. I recently managed to > get a computer file of the former story, which I had not had before, since it > was written before I had one. It made me wonder whether there was anyone out > there who might be interested in the two of them published together as a > one-shot. I know that a lot of fans might already have them and would not be > interested, but on the off change that anyone might be, could you e-mail me > directly and let me know." > > Again, Sheila's e-address is Venkie@aol.com Err, did Shelia really mean RGB (Real Ghostbusters). I think she meant B7, but then she does write a lot of Ghostbusters. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:04:42 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Harriet's Pella essay Message-ID: <19990729220445.55766.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Harriet wrote re her very good essay on Power: Such courage and self-sacrifice...you will notice that when I wrote an essay, I carefully chose an episode (Star One) that I could watch - ummm (counting on fingers) oh, lots of times without wincing at all...(oh all right, it was sheer coincidence. But don't expect one on The Keeper in the next millenium or so. Or Dawn of the Gods. Or Cygnus Alpha. Or...) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:05:54 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Holidays/presents Message-ID: <19990729220555.69959.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Holidays: Trying to imagine Avon and Vila - and possibly Jenna - in The *Real* Great Outdoors (sleeping bags and insects in the bedding and rocks *under* the bedding and dirt and drizzle and Nature's Dawn Chorus and beautiful-but-bloody-*early* mornings and insects in the brekkie (and having to catch and *kill* the brekkie) and no hot water or fresh coffee, and sizzling heat/icy cold and snakes and alien-equivalents-of-bears-and-snakes-and-spiders and yet more insects in the undies and... Yes, very attractive. And I'd send Blake to deal with them (We Only Hurt the Ones We Love...) On the other hand, I think they could Fight For Freedom on more beaches (well, if it was good enough for Churchill...) and most of them wouldn't mind doing it in luxury hotels. And re presents, Mistral wrote: Ummm.....*all* the fanfic? Hasn’t the poor darling suffered enough? (probably not ) Then we'd better feed him the tranquilizers - lots of them - first, or at least before he gets to that pile labelled BUARA... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:43:09 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender.... Message-ID: <19990730074309.A26883@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 11:01:04AM -0700, Hellen Paskaleva wrote: > Mistral wrote: > >I understood from 'Killer' (one of my top five faves!) that the > >virus only affected people who'd been into deep space. If that > >were the case, the damage would be massive, but not all the > >population would be destroyed... > > Well, now, let me speak as a professional... Viruses usually affect the > one's body, linking to the one's DNA. Therefore, it is needed deep space > trips to cause some kind of mutations in the human's DNA (which mutation, as > a feature, to be "recognised" and affected by the virus). This is what Dr. Bellfriar said about the virus: "Everyone who's been into deep space has had the Terran ague, or the three-day sweats as it's commonly known as. It's a sort of a mild infection, it slightly alters the body's nucleic structure, it seems to be a metabolic reaction to space travel. Well this new virus, Paratype 926, attacks those altered cells and acts as a catalyst, they burst and, well the effects are literally a series of explosions that race through the body's neural cell structure. The virus is easily cultured in human tissue or in nucleic acid solution." That's the cannonical gobbledegook itself. > Last, but not least, I can't see Blake to use such a threat against > Federation' citizens. He fights FOR them, not AGAINST them, at least. Agreed. Using the virus would be ten times more appalling than destroying Star One. At least Star One was a partially military target. Using the virus would be indiscriminate uncontrollable slaughter. Blake objected to taking the chance that any of it would be let loose at all; he's *not* going to turn around and deliberately infect people. Actually, Lorna Breshears wrote a fascinatingly chilling little short A/U story (in one of the Input zines, can't remember which one), in which the Liberator had been infected with the virus and became a plague-carrying ghost ship... -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 02:18:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Carol & Gordon Burgess To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Happy Hondo Message-ID: <379F929900000532@base.catchnet.com.au> (added by base.catchnet.com.au) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All, A question for the learned members, if you please :-) . Did anyone notice the set of 14 Paul Darrow pic's that was up for auction on ebay this past week? Well yours truly has purchased them ( and is ever so chuffed about it :-) can't wait for the postman to come next week ). Anyway, back to the question, does anyone who saw them, know at which Con they were taken and when please ? :-) Thank you very much.. TTFN Carol 'Hondo' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:47:09 +0100 (BST) From: Murray Smith To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Re: Mission to Destiny Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was reading the following article in 'The Independent' of London, dated Wednesday, 28 July 1999, which reminded me very much of the fungal disease that was destroying the vegatation on Destiny: Magic Mushrooms enlisted in war on dope by DAVID USBORNE in New York THE BIGGEST environmental hot potato in Britain is genetically-modified crops. But American politicians have fewer qualms. Drug enforcement agents in Florida think they have the perfect solution for eradicating marijuana crops in the state: dusting vast areas with a genetically engineered fungus which would kill the illicit plants but leave everything else unharmed. With its "Day of the Triffids" connotations, the project is highly controversial. But to the Florida Office of Drug Control it may offer the best hope for thwarting growers who nurture marijuana in plots that are often camouflaged to avoid aerial detection. Plants are interspersed among other crops or even grown on rafts in swamps. About 100,000 plants are seized in Florida annually. The plan's biggest champion is Jim McDonough, recently hired by Governor Jeb Bush to combat the Florida drugs industry. He has won permission to begin testing the fungus on a quarantined site outisde Gainesville. Deployment of the fungus has also attracted crucial political support from a high-profile Florida congressman, Bill McCollum, who has called it the "silver bullet" in the war against marijuana cultivation. Among those sounding the alarm about the potential risks, however, is the head of the state's environmental protection agency, David Struhs. In a recent letter to Mr McDonough he warned that the fungus could spread and mutate to damage other plant life. "Mutation of the organism would not only threaten Florida's natural environment, but would also put at risk our economically vital agricultural industry," he wrote. "I strongly recommend that Florida not proceed further with this proposal." Florida has a history of organic cures that are worse than the disease. Huge sums are being spent on attacking the melaleuca tree, introduced from Australia in the twenties to drain the Everglades. Now the tree is everywhere and the state is trying to replenish waters in the Everglades. "The idea is shockingly dangerous," said _The St Petersburg Times_ recently, pointing out that much of the illegal marijuana crop is grown indoors. Murray -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #234 **************************************