From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #245 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/245 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 245 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Josette Simon sighting Re: [B7L] Josette Simon sighting [B7L] How big's a spacial? [B7L] Orbit (was Killer) [B7L] I think it would be a bad thing to do today... [B7L] Re: Wanka (see Viz comic for more details) [B7L] I think it would be a bad thing to do today... (Pt 2) Re: [B7L] I think it would be a bad thing to do today... (Pt 3) [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #244 Re: [B7L] I think it would be a bad thing to do today... (Pt 4 and last) Re: [B7L] Wanker Re: [B7L] Re: Wanka (see Viz comic for more details) Re: [B7L] Wanker Re: [B7L] I think it would be a bad thing to do today... (Pt 2) Re: [B7L] Wanker [B7L] Rewriting the Canon (wasPossible Federation Ender....) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:27:53 -0400 From: Susan Beth To: blake7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Josette Simon sighting Message-Id: <3.0.4.32.19990812092753.00ed4d18@world.std.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Calle Dybedahl wrote: >I just saw Josette Simon in a fairly crappy movie called "Bridge of >Time", apparently made in 1997. This noted just for completeness or >something, I assume that everyone except me already knew about it :-) Um. Was this the Shangri-La movie, lost village living past a secret cave thing? If so, yes, it showed up on TV in America a couple of years back. Susan Beth (sbs@world.std.com) ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 1999 16:05:27 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blake7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Josette Simon sighting Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Susan Beth writes: > Um. Was this the Shangri-La movie, lost village living past a secret > cave thing? Yes. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "Last week was a nightmare, never to be repeated - until this week" -- Tom, a.s.r ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:01:09 +0100 From: Michael Cugley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] How big's a spacial? Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990812190109.007b2dd0@mail.virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just got bits 2 and 3 of the Horizon Technical Manual, and some of the ships have scales measured in feet, others in "millispacials". It'd be occasionally handy to know how much an actual spacial is... Anyone know? -- Mike Cugley, lunatic at large http://freespace.virgin.net/michael.cugley/ http://freespace.virgin.net/michael.cugley/Art/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:08:13 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Orbit (was Killer) Message-ID: <19990812210813.61155.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Harriet wrote: That was what Vila was teleporting down to the local Cheap-N-Nasty outlet for... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:41:01 EST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] I think it would be a bad thing to do today... Message-ID: <19990812224101.60928.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ...because I'm half asleep (though there may be some who would say it would improve it no end!). Listening to my just acquired (last night) copy of The Syndeton Experiment at work, that is. Anyone in Sydney who has not acquired it by other means, and wants to have it, go to Dymocks in George Street, just down from the QVB. There's a copy of Queen, The Eye, there as well - I decided to leave that alone Regards Joanne (feeling decided dormousy this Friday morning) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:58:21 +0100 From: nrice To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Wanka (see Viz comic for more details) Message-ID: <37B3518C.BCB22547@nrice.enterprise-plc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting discussions for once!:-) > > >>it came from the mouth of a Scotsman who was > >>bemoaning Englishmen in general > > > >LOL > > > >>I assumed that it was a derogatory term > >>for Englishman. > > > >ROFL > > > Sounds like Huldah has been Trainspotting. However, Una, you may note that Renton (the character who mentions 'wankers') also criticises the Scottish for allowing the English to rule or ruin Scotland, making them worse than the English. He also says English people can't help being wankers, and I know that. My sense of the word applies to somebody who is rather conceited but stupid and crap. Somebody who thinks he knows everything and gets away with it, but in fact is completely relying upon and using everybody else (like Tarrant and Cockney Wanka). Its a great subject for the Lysator list because we are a community only based around discussing a cult TV series, and nobody can ignore wanking. Read some Erica Jong. To Neil Sevencyclopaedia: yes I agree with you, crystals would require refining. But I'm not sure Fosforon is 3000 light years away; its a fictional creation and therefore should best be put at around 10 light years away, which is far enough for anything to happen. A light year is a vast distance, after all! NJackD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:12:21 EST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] I think it would be a bad thing to do today... (Pt 2) Message-ID: <19990813001222.47772.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ...but I'm doing it anyway. Time: 4 minutes, 25 seconds. Comments: Why the hell is Tarrant so calm at the beginning? Is he on something? I'd presume he'd be more worried, with Vila missing presumed drunk. Then he wants to leave Vila on the planet when trouble does start - it's one thing for Avon to threaten to abandon him (the automatic assumption is that he won't, for the simple reason that Vila doesn't like personal violence (complete quote for yourself!) and will spill any beans before pressure is applied, poor dear). It's another for the fourth series Tarrant to just give up on someone like that, especially as he seemed to be rather more team-oriented by then. Another thing about Tarrant - his comment on Avon's "flowery" phrasing is spot on - if "a belly full of boojuice" isn't offensive enough (I protest on Vila's behalf! let alone Avon's ), I could very well do without the "mutant mongrels" bit. More later, if you can stand it. Regards Joanne (waking up a bit, probably through outrage about some of the dialogue) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:01:30 EST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] I think it would be a bad thing to do today... (Pt 3) Message-ID: <19990813010131.27354.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It is Friday the 13th today. Might explain a few things. Comments: Peter Tuddenham is brilliant. Servie obviously a sybarite (evidence: her wardrobe), but the dinner table doesn't usually come into it. So why is she suddenly such a gourmet? Is Bazza reluctant to let go of the food obsession in 7FC, and has, therefore, reassigned it to Servalan? "Very dry and very strong" a better description of the woman herself, rather than her taste in alcohol (apparently preferring the green fluoro stuff consumed on the Liberator). Worse, she claims to be lonely, and tells the plot to an underling, who is no Jarriere and, therefore, must be a member of the Ensignus Expendibilis family (or so I'm led to think). The Purple Nightingale bit, and Madame Gaskia as an old flame of Avon's - ugh! Servalan getting lovey-dovey with the underling - double ugh! Gaskia saying (paraphrase) that the acid cannon were needed, like, yesterday - triple ugh! Thank goodness for Vila going into circular logic mode, as it made me smile. Gaskia again, and she's a shrew, if her vocal cords are any indication. So much for Avon's much vaunted taste in the female of the species, but we knew that, didn't we? Vila at hyperjump - obviously needs more alcohol and some salted nuts to cushion his system. (And probably a towel.) Scorpio's alias would be better as Space freighter Pompous, especially after a certain person's turn of phrase earlier. Tarrant right to be suspicious at the ease of getting into Gaskia's apartments, and her guard is an irritant. (Unfortunately, after my comment about Vila and hyperjumps, I've begun to picture the guard as a Vogon. This is a bad thing, believe me!) The next bit is unbelievable. God help us all - Avon being addressed as "my dear boy" and being invited to "give the old girl a kiss" and, from the sounds of things, not being as enthusiastic as Gaskia would've liked. Avon being bearhugged and slobbered over - as the football ad. says, I'd like to see that (and I'd be howling with laughter, much to the "dear boy" 's discomfiture). Seven tracks to go. Let's see me get out of this alive! Regards Joanne (wanting badly to laugh out loud, but not wanting to have to explain why) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:57:36 -0400 From: "Huldah Beasley" To: Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #244 Message-ID: <005c01bee52f$382c3f00$bd90fea9@eight> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" ROFLMAO means Rolling On the Floor Laughing MY Ass Off :) and LOL can also my Laughing Out Loud. I don't know if there's a dictionary for net slang or not. It helps if you chat a lot. It took me forever to learn all the little bits and pieces. Let me know if you need anything else. -----Original Message----- From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 4:42 AM Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #244 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:35:33 EST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] I think it would be a bad thing to do today... (Pt 4 and last) Message-ID: <19990813033539.73922.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Work? That's an interesting concept Further comments: Gaskia (I keep typing Gaksia - I wonder why) calling Avon a "cheeky little sod" - I'm glad he laughed. I call that whole bit bizarre, regardless of how it furthers the plot. Tarrant a "pretty boy", which we don't need to be told, really (yes, I'm Carol-baiting again!). Given an unnecessary vicious streak - yeah, he's been trained to kill, but to gloat over the fact? Yuk! Long standing grudge between Avon and Gaskia, or so it appears - just how old was Avon when he was 'kicked out' of this academy of his? No, on second thoughts, make that a rhetorical question. Avvy has to ask how Servie knew he was on his way to Syndexia? He's not normally quite that thick (even when he doesn't have the benefit of the audience's knowledge). Servalan a bit thick there too - she should've ordered the underling to take their bracelets (or so my notes say - but I didn't know the bit of plot that made that undesirable at the time) lest they teleport (which Avon does). Once Tarrant is rescued, Avon's stupidity kicks in again - he should've been more suspicious about the lack of pursuit and been hunting for homing beacons on Tarrant's person at the very least. (NO! Don't do it! Don't even think about it!) Nice work, Vila, in making sure Tarrant was unconscious - interesting crunch noise, there. "Why have I lost control, why, why, why?" Now, now, Servie, it's not that bad. Give the poor woman a cup of tea (or a slap from Soolin - cures hysteria in no time at all). The robot that captures them, down on Capica, sounds rather like a Cylon - it may be purple, but it's probably got a single red dot moving across its eyeline (as in Battlestar Galactica or, worse, KITT in Knightrider). Given that the thing is purple, I suppose I should be grateful that it doesn't say, in sing-song tones, things like "You are requested to attend the Borad". Tarrant's wheedling for Soolin to let him loose - that tone of voice, when he suggests that Soolin would have to feed him, might work on Carol (perhaps), but Soolin? Dr Rossum typical eccentric megalomaniac (possibly with a goatee beard - same actor as Count Grendel in Doctor Who story The Androids of Tara). "What could I possibly do with one hand?" Tarrant, Tarrant, you shouldn't say things like that - it causes spluttering in the listener. Vila/Cylon hybrid voice nearly caused more spluttering. Tarrant shooting at Vila - I know T is under the influence at that time, but I'm still in a mean mood. Avon's sudden development of a vicious streak, as well - remember the alien in Sarcophagus? He doesn't normally like killing unneccessarily either. Difficult to believe that he'd offer to share Rossum's secret with Servie either. Hasn't Bazza seen Aftermath? Avon worried about genocide? When did he get religion? (Which triggers something else - I still think Paula Wilcox's voice is too "girly" for Soolin). Final comment: Somwhat better than The Sevenfold Crown, but still not what we want to hear. Maybe I should just think of both as typical fourth series episodes, given how the quality of the episodes that year was so inconsistent. Thank you for putting up with this series of jottings, made while the CD was playing. Regards Joanne (and now I don't feel like working, but I have to get something done today) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:00:25 -0400 From: "Huldah Beasley" To: "Una McCormack" , "blakes7 mailing list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Wanker Message-ID: <003a01bee56a$75e3a5a0$b62cfea9@eight> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay. I hope to finish some of my fan fic :) I've been keeping up with Alison's dissertation on the introvert/extrovert subject. While easy to follow and understand, it makes me wonder if maybe I'm out of my league. I don't think I would have noticed if it hadn't been pointed out to me, at least not on a consciencious level. I've never felt like I needed a degree in Psychology just to hold a conversation before. It also made me realize that I don't know much about B7 fandom. You guys are the first living, breathing B7 fans I've ever talked to (other than my friend Bess). See, we're both 20 years old. B7 went off the air when we were around 2. We only ever saw B7 because we were raised on Maryland Public Television. There was Doctor Who (with fuzzy curls, jelly bellies, and that mile-long scarf), Are You Being Served?, Black Adder, and later Red Dwarf. I think we were 8 when it first came on. Blake was a "cool-leader dude", Vila was funny and Avon was Mr. Spock only more sarcastic and mean. Course it's being re-broadcas now that we're a bit older. We see the flaws in our "fearless leader", Vila is still funny, and Avon is a total hottie with brains and a full on 'tude to boot. Not to mention the leather. Ooooh the leather. Not to mention some poor deluded lass (Bess) thinks Travis is " Cold, Calculating, Dark, Devious, Determined, Ruthless, Single-minded, Ruthless, Ruthless...and he, too, has the leather...and is ultra sexy" *shakes head and sighs* Sneers, eww factor 10. Umm. Anyway, point is, I want to write fic for this whole group of people I know nothing about. I mean, what kind of people get almost obsessive over a show that had it's last series in '81 (I think)? I've written fics for other shows, mainly one called "Buffy The Vampire Slayer". Fans of that show are used to fic writers completely abusing the cannon and ignoring the ocassional time paradox, but then, they're also used to vampires, demons and the ocassional slime monster. So, before I get deep into anything, my question (I know, I know it took me a while to get to the actual question) is how strict are you? Do I have to come up with a long, complicated mass of intersecting plot points or would you be cool with a few PWP's (that Plot? What Plot? for those of you who are internet challenged)? I've got several ideas knocking about in my head and some of them are getting rather violent about wanting to get out. Weapons have been primed, so I hope comments are forthcoming. Okay, s'it for now. Open to all opinions :) H "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein -----Original Message----- From: Una McCormack To: blakes7 mailing list Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [B7L] Wanker >Mark Johnson asked: > >>I'm not complaining at all, just curious. What exactly does the word >'wanker' have to do with Blakes 7.< > >and Huldah replied: > >>I've been trying my hand at B7 fan fiction. While discussing it with a >friend of mine, I mentioned Tarrent and she said he was a "wanker". I asked >her what that meant exactly and she told me that she used the word as an >all-encompassing term in reference to pathetic losers not worth her time or >respect.< > >So it has plenty to do with B7! > >Hope we get to see some of your fanfic, Huldah. > > >Una > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:28:08 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Wanka (see Viz comic for more details) Message-ID: <009e01bee56e$305a2550$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wrote: > Sounds like Huldah has been Trainspotting. However, Una, you may note > that Renton (the character who mentions 'wankers') also criticises the > Scottish for allowing the English to rule or ruin Scotland, making them > worse than the English. He also says English people can't help being > wankers, and I know that. This is the point where I suddenly claim to be Irish anyway. That's the benefit of being British - you often can be whatever suits you! Una ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 1999 11:56:12 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: "blakes7 mailing list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Wanker Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII "Huldah Beasley" writes: > what kind of people get almost obsessive over a show that had it's > last series in '81 (I think)? What's that *almost* obsessive?! -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se "I'd rather hang on to madness than normality" -- KaTe Bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:53:33 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] I think it would be a bad thing to do today... (Pt 2) Message-ID: <8adb694c.24e5613d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joanne (more stressed than before her vacation ;-) wrote: > Why the hell is Tarrant so calm at the beginning? They had a rule that someone had to be calm at all times. It was his turn. :) > Is he on something? That's a possibility I hadn't considered. I like it. > I'd presume he'd be more worried, with Vila missing > presumed drunk. Then he wants to leave Vila on the planet when > trouble does start - That was definitely out of character. You mention fourth season, but Tarrant's loyalty to shipmates was evident from the get go. He and Dayna were fresh-faced newbies when Tarrant said they'd make a try at rescuing Cally in VOLCANO. And it was Tarrant who insisted they owed Cally loyalty and needed to go Auron. And Tarrant who immediately pushed for the Cally rescue from Ultraworld. Tarrant who went to back Avon up on Terminal not long after Avon stuck a gun in his belly. Tarrant who felt guilty about being forced to leave Dayna in ANIMALS. Etc. IOW, you couldn't get Tarrant more out of character if you made him homely. > The Purple Nightingale bit, and Madame Gaskia as an old flame of Avon's - > ugh! What? You didn't think they were a match made in heaven? ;-) > it furthers the plot. Tarrant a "pretty boy", which we don't need to be > told, really (yes, I'm Carol-baiting again!). ;-P > Servalan a bit thick there too - she should've > ordered the underling to take their bracelets My biggest complaint about BL's writing is that he consistently dumbs down characters to advance plot. > and been hunting for homing beacons on Tarrant's person at the very least. > (NO! Don't do it! Don't even think about it!) Once again, Joanne's tasteful mind takes her where she didn't think she wanted to go. :) > "Why have I lost control, why, why, why?" I really felt sorry for JP at that point. How she managed to deliver those lines is a mystery to me. > Tarrant's wheedling for Soolin to let him loose - that tone of voice, when > he suggests that Soolin would have to feed him, might work on Carol > (perhaps), but Soolin? Now why would I want to *untie* him? ;) > Vila/Cylon hybrid voice nearly caused more spluttering. Tarrant shooting at > Vila - I know T is under the influence at that time, but I'm still in a mean > mood. What about Dayna going at Tarrant with a knife -- and she wasn't under any influence. > Final comment: > Somwhat better than The Sevenfold Crown, but still not what we want to hear. Agreed. Though I have to say one good thing about BL, I do like the angst he tosses into his writing. But his characterizations and plotting are at the low end of the scale. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:03:47 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "blakes7 mailing list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Wanker Message-ID: <003101bee583$ea6b2740$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Huldah wrote: > So, before I get deep > into anything, my question (I know, I know it took me a while to get to the > actual question) is how strict are you? Do I have to come up with a long, > complicated mass of intersecting plot points or would you be cool with a few > PWP's (that Plot? What Plot? for those of you who are internet challenged)? > I've got several ideas knocking about in my head and some of them are > getting rather violent about wanting to get out. Weapons have been primed, > so I hope comments are forthcoming. I'm happy to read whatever you post, Huldah, be it fragments, or large stories (split across several posts - tho' ). I think that goes pretty generally, but I can't speak for other people. The only main proviso for posting to this list, I believe, is that you avoid adult subject matter. Una ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:01:43 -0700 From: "Kinkade, Carol A" To: lysator Subject: [B7L] Rewriting the Canon (wasPossible Federation Ender....) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >Neil wrote: >> I see the entire series encompassing something in the region of 11 years, though thanks to time dilation (a well-known phenomenon of all ftl travel) the crew experienced it as something less than that. I've got a rough timeline mapped out, you can see it at http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/wehist - all completely non-authoritative, I hasten to add. >> I tried accessing Neil's website but keep getting a message saying the site does not exist. Neil, have you closed it down? I'd really like to see your timeline. I enjoy your theories. Thanks, Carol K AVON RULES!!!! -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #245 **************************************