From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #50 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/50 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 50 Today's Topics: [B7L] Videos Re: [B7L] sundry Re: [B7L] sundry Re: [B7L] Round robin idea... Re: [B7L] Cock-up RE: [B7L] Round robin begins... Re: [B7L] Cock-up Re: [B7L] Cock-up [B7L] Common People Re: [B7L] Cock-up Re: [B7L] Common People Re: [B7L] Common People Re: [B7L] sundry [B7L] Stiffies Re: [B7L] sundry Re: Re [B7L] Cock-up re [B7L] Die, Versification Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma [B7L] HEAT Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:15:00 -0000 From: "Debra Collard" To: "B7L" Subject: [B7L] Videos Message-ID: <019e01be4ec7$7f690500$9949883e@whisson1globalnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just visited a local music shop to find that they have remaindered their B7 videos and are selling them off at £5.99 (the cheapest I had found locally so far was £6.99). I bought two that had been missing from my collection, Orac/Redemption and Shadow/Weapon, but they had lots more. If anyone on the list is missing any to make up a full set of the ones issued so far, I am happy to check whether they carry it and I can even buy it on your behalf and bring it to Redemption if you wish. Debra ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:23:35 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] sundry Message-ID: <002b01be4ec8$8304ace0$0b1cac3e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First of all, Helen: thank you so much, I now have a full proper song to my name. What a shame that only the last line has any bearing on reality. Jenni wrote: <> I am in fact known as 'Orange Peel' at work, a harmless nickname compared to some of the others floating around (Gumby, Frank the Wank etc) Jacqueline: <> It's from 'Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters', Robert Calvert's concept album about the Luftwaffe's disastrous endeavours with the F104. Musically it's uninteresting unless you're a Hawkwind junkie, but the interludes between the tracks are brilliant. ("Ground control to pilot - ready for last-minute cockpit check ... valium - ten milligrams..."). A searing and darkly humorous assault on the military mentality. And finally, Calle wrote: <<> And for my next post, I'll treat you all to my Ars Magica stats for Cally's > moon disc. Yes? I'm waiting.>> Sorry about that. I've had to shelve the moondisc - I'm now engrossed in the Phoenix Command stats for Ensor's fish. A task made all the harder for my not actually possessing the Phoenix Command rules... Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:26:25 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] sundry Message-ID: <36B74351.371E@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil, Neil, Neil, Neil Your wit is too quick to steal (Vila tried). Preoccupied, Avon would like to deal. (like those rhymes any better?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:44:27 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Round robin idea... Message-ID: In message <36B6456C.7C68@jps.net>, Helen Krummenacker writes >Well, now, I was thinking of it being on the _Lysator_ list. Which is >why I was asking if people here want to participate. But I can >understand copyright concerns and there may be good reasons other than >what you mentioned for us _not_ to... I was just concerned that someone might think it a wonderful idea to share a crossover with the Discworld group, and send a copy to afp. I'm not the only person who's a member of both, although I'm certainly the one with the biggest mouth. Pterry is pretty laid back about fan activities that don't involve trying to make money, which includes fanfic, but he doesn't want the fanfic anywhere where he might be accused of having seen it and swiped it. He gets pretty uncomfortable even with people speculating on afp about what they'd like to see in a book, for the same reason. Severe irony has been employed on occasion. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 13:45:15 PST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Cock-up Message-ID: <19990202214517.20857.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain >There once was an Auron named Cally. >With Gan she was reasonably pally. >Poor Gan she ignored, [snip] >No doubt I'll regret kicking this one off. >Neil A rhyme-seeker is our Neil. He always writes with great zeal. But Vila will be amused, 'Cause he's made Gan confused And Cally too, or so I feel. Regards Writing doggerel again ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:59:31 +0100 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Round robin begins... Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F10FAEF@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain (both the list father and Avona have pretty much told me to put my money (or story) where my mouth is, so here goes:) < protect it from?">> > "Giant french chefs, maybe", Avon snapped. "I don't care what Cally says, turtles and elephants do not go flying around the universe. This must be Orac's idea of a joke. It wouldn't be the first time he projected something on the screen." "True enough" said Blake. "Orac, what is the meaning of this?" "If you are referring to Avon's misconception that this is a joke, I must correct you". Orac's voice sounded as nerve grating as ever. "What you see on the screen is a correct representation of events." "It's not exactly like anything we've seen before" said Jenna, looking at the screen with a mixture of scepticism and wonder. "I wonder if there's life on that disk. Zen, scan that Pl..., Umm, that object ahead, please." Zen needed only a few seconds: "Breathable atmosphere and normal gravitation" it reported. Vila looked alarmed. "I hope you don't expect me to go down there", he said. Blake frowned. "We're on our way to Star One now. Don't start with me, Avon, looking at this...., this thing for a few minutes is fine, but we have no time to go exploring." "Come on, Blake", said Avon, impatient as ever, "Star One is not going to blow up before we get there. This, on the other hand, looks like it may go swimming off for parts unknown at any time. A few hours won't hurt any more than a few minutes." Blake looked at Avon for a few seconds, and decided that giving in on this one wouldn't hurt them. It might even put Avon in a good mood for when he really wanted him to do something. "All right", he said, "we can have a quick look. But only a quick look. Two hours, no more." Avon and Cally nodded, which pretty much told Blake who were going with him on that particular trip. Next, please... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 16:05:06 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Cock-up Message-ID: <36B784A2.67A7@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joanne MacQueen wrote: > > >There once was an Auron named Cally. > >With Gan she was reasonably pally. > >Poor Gan she ignored, > [snip] > >No doubt I'll regret kicking this one off. > >Neil > > A rhyme-seeker is our Neil. > He always writes with great zeal. > But Vila will be amused, > 'Cause he's made Gan confused > And Cally too, or so I feel. An aspiring poet, our Neil, Dreams up limericks full of appeal. So he made one mistake, Writing "Gan", meaning Blake-- I don't think that was such a big deal. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:51:45 PST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Cock-up Message-ID: <19990202225149.19331.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain >So he made one mistake, >Writing "Gan", meaning Blake-- >I don't think that was such a big deal. No, true. But was it Blake, though, that he meant? It could've been Jenna, I suppose. Neil? Well, was it Blake? I know both Blake _and_ Gan are burly and curly ... Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:55:56 PST From: "Edith Spencer" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Common People Message-ID: <19990202225557.376.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain To all, Hmmm... to add to what Neil said, I went to College with people who not terribly bright nor intellectual; they were there to study fo rtests, to get the degree and to join a company. However, some of the farmers I worked with in Wisconsin ( I have a degree in Biochem, and was interested in Ag science)were some of the most witty, thoughtful and introspective people I ever met- unafraid to talk about the meanings of life in all their facets. And they did not go to college. Which brings me to B7 (phew!) Surely not all of the peoplen who lived in the domes stayed drugged forever. i was think that it would an ever increasing amount of whatever to keep people placid. Would this involve: Media manipulation Diet water supply contraceptives Or a combo of all three? Edith "It's not what you think" "Oh? I'm disappointed." Urs and LC, Ashes to Ashes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:39:55 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Joanne MacQueen CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Cock-up Message-ID: <36B79ADB.5177@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joanne MacQueen wrote: > > >So he made one mistake, > >Writing "Gan", meaning Blake-- > >I don't think that was such a big deal. > > No, true. But was it Blake, though, that he meant? It could've been > Jenna, I suppose. Neil? Well, was it Blake? I know both Blake _and_ Gan > are burly and curly ... Scansion. And the behaviors-- Cally and Jenna didn't seem close, so you wouldn't define them as pally. But scansion is the main indicator. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:49:19 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Common People Message-ID: <36B79D0F.4B1A@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To those who spoke of the high intelligence among 'common people'. Absolutely. I went to college, then dropped out from a combination of health problems and the obvious fact that I could learn more on my own than mandatory attendence at dumbed-down lectures. My parents both got degrees, but my mother's father was a carpenter, cowboy, and field hand as work was available. And he knew a great deal of Shakespeare by heart. So I view a degree not as a symbol of intellect but a willingness to do things the established way. When I said intelligent people tend to spend time with intelligent people, I didn't necessarily mean by dint of their place in society. I work in an office and spend very little time socializing with anyone there, unless I respect their intelligence. Often it is the ones who are 'just temps' (and therefore at the bottom of status) who draw me to them with their quick wit or unusual fields of knowlege. On the other hand, I actually helped a woman much higher up in the office feeding chain get her Masters, because she'd never have passed algebra on her own. And there's a chap who's been working with us-- he was a doctor in Mexico and is studying to get back into medicine in the States-- and I am frightened to think that anyone as slow and sloppy in his work may one day have people's health in his hands. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:00:40 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Common People Message-ID: <36B7D7F8.240@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > > I find this interesting, because although I've got a degree I've > deliberately chosen to 'slum it' down on the factory floor. I went for > years believing all the people who told me factory work was beneath me, but > when I started temping I discovered that... I _like_ factories. I like > being turned into a mindless robot for 12 hours at a stretch. I like the > noise and the sweat and the grime. On a good night I can even handle the > risk of maiming myself on an under-maintained piece of machinery. ... I truly cannot determine whether this is satirical or not, cuz the following sentences seem so serious. > Personally, after working a 2 day stint taking inventory in a warehouse, I developed a new respect for people who do that *every damn day!* I also came to better understand why drug testing is becoming so common prior to (and spot checks during!) employment these days. That kind of work is stultifyingly boring - yet requires the utmost accuracy. Such an oxymoron! This does not mean I approve of drug testing: I find it despicable and demeaning: equal to considering one guilty until proven innocent. > Maybe charisma is a > double-edged quality, one that tends to polarise reactions? Please explain. Do you mean people either loved or hated him? > If so, I reckon it's a good bet that Blake had it. Only Avon developed a love hate relationship with Blake. All the others seemed to like him A-OK. erm- Except Travis, who hated him. > Am I to take it nobody's familiar with the reference with sewing up the sky > with gleaming needles? > I thought you were just being poetic. Please explain the metaphor and most importantly, its relationship to Blakes 7 Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:30:19 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] sundry Message-ID: <36B7D0DB.3312@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen Krummenacker wrote: > Neil, Neil, Neil, Neil > Your wit is too quick to steal > (Vila tried). > Preoccupied, > Avon would like to deal. > Avona, Avona, Avona Neil will toss all these poets to Pirahanna You'll run and you'll hide On your wild outlaw ride And wind up in remote Tijuana Pat P awk! Stop me before I rhyme some more!!! There once was an Auron named Cally Who oft liked to dilly and dally With Blake she was bad, With Avon so sad, But with Vila she'd shilly and shally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 99 05:34:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Stiffies Message-Id: <199902030541.FAA06232@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just posted to the Space City list information on all the B7 zines, stories, poems, and art that are eligible to be nominated for the 1998 Stiffies (Slash Talent In Fandom awards). If there are any slashfen here who aren't also on SC, e-mail me privately and I'll cc you. Sarah T. s.thompson8@genie.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:43:51 -0800 From: Tramila To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] sundry Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990202214351.007cc3e0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >There once was an Auron named Cally >Who oft liked to dilly and dally >With Blake she was bad, >With Avon so sad, >But with Vila she'd shilly and shally PAT!!!!!! Tramila ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 01:30:09 EST From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Cock-up Message-ID: <1c292f9b.36b7ecf1@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Neil wrote: << There once was an Auron named Cally. With Gan she was reasonably pally. Poor Gan she ignored, And Vila deplored... ...But Avon was right up her alley.>> I love limericks! Thanks, Neil. Now here's one for you: There once was a pirate named Neil Who tried to cut Avon a deal. Though he offered him gold To sell Blake out cold, Cally laughed and said, "Neil, be real." They're right. Neil rhymes with lots of cool things! Gail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:18:36 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: re [B7L] Die, Versification Message-ID: <008f01be4f48$0ca48220$191dac3e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all of you noticed, yes I made a big mistake In citing Gan not once but twice (the first time should be Blake). But ere this thread gets out of hand and Calle grows hysterical, I think it's time to draw a line beneath all things limerickal. Though Gail - or VulcanXYZ - is right (She is no fool), The many words that rhyme with Neil may be described as cool. But words like 'fail' or 'pale' or 'snail', they tell a different story. A shame that her own appellation snubs her bid for glory. Oh, and I'm still grappling with Ensor's fish. Can anyone suggest a suitable damage range for a pectoral fin attack? Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:36:37 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma Message-ID: <009001be4f48$0d64c4e0$191dac3e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat wrote: >I truly cannot determine whether this is satirical or not, cuz the >following sentences seem so serious. No satire, honest. I'd sooner be cutting out air ducts for Saab than sitting in an office, or a classroom or a laboratory. At least on the shop floor it's Us against Them, not every little prick out for himself. Last night I got three fag breaks in as many hours, all of them without me even asking for them. Solidarity. (NB: just in case any Americans are pondering in entirely the wrong direction, 'fag' means cigarette). >> Maybe charisma is a >> double-edged quality, one that tends to polarise reactions? >Please explain. Do you mean people either loved or hated him? Pretty much, yeah. > >> If so, I reckon it's a good bet that Blake had it. >Only Avon developed a love hate relationship with Blake. All the others >seemed to like him A-OK. >erm- Except Travis, who hated him. I was actually thinking more of the way Blake polarises fans. Tarrant might get bashed, but only Blake draws the heavy vitriol. Avon might be adored in many quarters, but there doesn't seem to be any significant Avon-bashing faction. >> Am I to take it nobody's familiar with the reference with sewing up the sky >> with gleaming needles? >I thought you were just being poetic. Please explain the metaphor and >most importantly, its relationship to Blakes 7 Very very tenuous, I fear, but my copy of Captain Lockheed is on tape, and on the other side of the cassette is an Electric Prunes album which contains a track about a character called Doctor Do-Good, who as I recall was partly the inspiration for Doctor Do-Right, the cybersurgeon who gave Gan his limiter in my story 'A Casting of Swords'. Like I said - tenuous. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:35:31 +0200 From: "422ami" <422ami@nt52.parliament.bg> To: , Subject: Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma Message-Id: <199902031234.NAA11813@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Faulkner wrote: > > Maybe charisma is a > > double-edged quality, one that tends to polarise reactions? And Pat asked him for explanation, as follows: > Please explain. Do you mean people either loved or hated him?... > ... > Only Avon developed a love hate relationship with Blake. All the others > seemed to like him A-OK. No! No! It seems to me, that charisma is much more social, public, than private (between two people) phenomenon. This quality, I would rather say, gift, which Blake possesses, can be seen as in Federation authority's zeal to eliminate him, so in "common people"'s faith, that Blake is the one, who would release them (In this instance I would quote the part of the conversation between Bercol and Servalan - Ep. 1-6 "Seek-Locate-Destroy''): "...My department has done all in its power to suppress information about Blake and his actions -- there is a total blackout on all reports concerning him -- but still the stories get out. They spread by word of mouth, by whispers, by rumour; each time the story is told it is elaborated upon. Any damage to the Federation is attributed to Blake. The smallest incident is exaggerated out of all proportion until it becomes a major event. Blake is becoming a legend. His name is a rallying call for malcontents of all persuasions..." Therefore, these, who hate Blake, hate him awfully, while these, who love him, love him thoroughly. That is, what charisma does. Seemingly, relationship between Blake and Avon is not based on Blake's charismatic "skills", but on more pragmatical ("visualable") reasons. Here I can quote Mr. Faulkner himself: "...Despite their differences of opinion, Blake and Avon recognise each other as educated, intelligent men of shared background. They can regard each other as social equals..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:57:15 -0000 From: "Julie Horner" To: Subject: [B7L] HEAT Message-ID: <01be4f7d$1af25cf0$170201c0@pc23.Fishnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Circulated recently: >AVON : THE PAUL DARROW SOCIETY >LATEST NEWS - 25TH JANUARY 1999 >A new magazine will be out next week, and it covers such things as CD's, >videos, films and TV. Called 'HEAT' - Issue No 1 will have an article about >Paul - under TV Icons. I have just seen Issue No 1 of this and it *doesn't* have an article about Paul. There is the first part of a regular feature called 'TV Heroes', which is a full page interview on the inside back page. However, this week's interview was with John Noakes. I guess they must have Paul lined up for a later issue. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:01:13 +0200 From: "422ami" <422ami@nt52.parliament.bg> To: "422ami" <422ami@nt52.parliament.bg>, , Subject: Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma Message-Id: <199902031359.OAA15438@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > From: 422ami <422ami@nt52.parliament.bg> > To: pussnboots@geocities.com; blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma > Date: 03 Ôåâðóàðè 1999 ã. 14:35 > > Neil Faulkner wrote: > > > Maybe charisma is a > > > double-edged quality, one that tends to polarise reactions? > > And Pat asked him for explanation, as follows: > > Please explain. Do you mean people either loved or hated him?... > > ... > > Only Avon developed a love hate relationship with Blake. All the others > > seemed to like him A-OK. > > No! No! It seems to me, that charisma is much more social, public, than > private (between two people) phenomenon. This quality, I would rather say, > gift, which Blake possesses, can be seen as in Federation authority's zeal > to eliminate him, so in "common people"'s faith, that Blake is the one, who > would release them (In this instance I would quote the part of the > conversation between Bercol and Servalan - Ep. 1-6 "Seek-Locate-Destroy''): > "...My department has done all in its power to suppress information about > Blake and his actions -- there is a total blackout on all reports > concerning him -- but still the stories get out. They spread by word of > mouth, by whispers, by rumour; each time the story is told it is elaborated > upon. Any damage to the Federation is attributed to Blake. The smallest > incident is exaggerated out of all proportion until it becomes a major > event. Blake is becoming a legend. His name is a rallying call for > malcontents of all persuasions..." > Therefore, these, who hate Blake, hate him awfully, while these, who love > him, love him thoroughly. That is, what charisma does. > > Seemingly, relationship between Blake and Avon is not based on Blake's > charismatic "skills", but on more pragmatical ("visualable") reasons. Here > I can quote Mr. Faulkner himself: "...Despite their differences of opinion, > Blake and Avon recognise each other as educated, intelligent men of shared > background. They can regard each other as social equals..." Regards: Hellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:34:16 +0000 From: Russ Massey To: 422ami <422ami@nt52.parliament.bg> Cc: pussnboots@geocities.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Common People/Charisma Message-ID: >Neil Faulkner wrote: >> > Maybe charisma is a >> > double-edged quality, one that tends to polarise reactions? > I wasn't really sure myself what charisma was until I went to a talk given by Brian Blessed at a book signing a few years ago. The man is absolutely magnetic, and if he had asked his audience to march on Poland that very evening they would have been with him. It's so hard to define the quality, but it boils down to - someone with charisma can talk rubbish and you will never interrupt or disagree simply because you are so impressed with how he says it. -- Russ Massey -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #50 *************************************