From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #89 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/89 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 89 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7 Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7 [B7L]Buddleia [B7L] Videos (was Re: SC: A space city questionnaire) Re: [B7L]Buddleia Re: [B7L] More B7 game stats ( really long) Re: [B7L] More B7 game stats ( really long) [B7L] Re: Avon & Vena [B7L] Tarrant Nostra Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7 Re: [B7L] Evolving Avon (was More B7 game stats ( really long) Re: [B7L] Career change? Re: [B7L] Career change? [B7L] Wales Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7 Re: [B7L] More B7 game stats ( really long) Re: [B7L] More B7 game stats ( really long) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:05:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: "Blake's 7 List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Jonathan wrote: > I have a *strong* gut feeling that Tarrantino is the man we need for this, > although Villa especially may disagree. > Nonononono. The scenes you described were just _so_ John Woo. He's the only man for the job. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 05:21:58 PST From: "Stephen Date" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7 Message-ID: <19990303132158.28900.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain >Jonathan wrote: > >I have a *strong* gut feeling that Tarrantino is the man we need for this, > > and Lisa added > >I'd recommend Giacomo Puccini, personally. > Surely the scenes described were from Richard Wagner's little known epic "Der Siebendammerung". Luciano Pavarotti would be entirely convincing as Avon. Stephen. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:57:00 -0000 From: "Julie Horner" To: Subject: [B7L]Buddleia Message-ID: <01be657d$b5d7aac0$170201c0@pc23.Fishnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil said : >As VJC pointed out, it is indeed Buddleia (sometimes spelt Buddleja), but >also known just as 'butterfly bush'. B. davidii is a good one for >attracting butterflies to the garden, since it flowers in late summer. >Plenty of sunlight, not too much water, and make sure the soil is alkaline >(it can grow in bare chalk). >Note to butterfly fans - .... After all the praise heaped upon this wretched plant, I wonder if anyone can tell me whether there is a plant with the inverse effect on butterflies i.e. a sort of negative Buddleia. I have a phobia of moths and butterflies and would love something to keep them away from me. Last summer our next door neighbour had a buddleia in the garden which attracted some of those huge dark butterflies with eye-like markings on the wings (red admirals?). I can't tell you the panic and confusion it caused when one of those flew into our kitchen. If any of you gardeners can help I would be very grateful as then I could plant the appropriate butterfly repellent around the borders and feel comfortable again about opening the windows on a sunny day. Julie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:41:50 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:space-city@world.std.com" , "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Videos (was Re: SC: A space city questionnaire) Message-ID: <199903030942_MC2-6C93-166B@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jacqueline mentioning that she had only the first seven B7 tapes reminds me that I still failed to get rid of my two surplus reissued videos, number eight (Shadow/Weapon) and number nine (Horizon/Pressure Point) at the Bring and Buy at Redemption; has anyone else turned up who might be interested? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:43:47 -0000 From: "Alison Page" To: Subject: Re: [B7L]Buddleia Message-ID: <000201be658b$4574e1e0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julie said - >After all the praise heaped upon this wretched plant, I wonder if anyone >can tell me whether there is a plant with the inverse effect on >butterflies >i.e. a sort of negative Buddleia. It isn't a very pretty plant but Artemesia or mugwort used to be used to get rid of moths (mug = moth). However that might be moth caterpillars in cloth for all I know. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:34:55 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: Rob Clother Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] More B7 game stats ( really long) Message-ID: <+u6YjRAPDY32Ew8R@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <19990303092135.7523.qmail@hotmail.com>, Rob Clother writes >Everyone is entitled to hold their own opinion: however, this list >amounts to a public forum. Please keep your sexist opinions private: >they are no more acceptable coming from members of one sex than the >other. I really didn't think I'd have to insert a :^) smiley in that one. If others misunderstood my sense of humour (which I admit, is easy to do), then I apologise. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Mar 1999 22:26:11 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] More B7 game stats ( really long) Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit >>>>> "Julia" == Julia Jones writes: > I really didn't think I'd have to insert a :^) smiley in that > one. If others misunderstood my sense of humour (which I admit, is > easy to do), then I apologise. Personally, I don't think you have any reason to apologise. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:05:09 -0000 From: "Susan Bennett" To: "Lysator" Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon & Vena Message-ID: <00a201be65c5$fae18940$6792cbc1@compaq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nina said: >>>One of my favorite Avon/Cally scenes is in "The Web", when she finds him taking the teleport apart. He's obviously startled by her, then goes sort of quiet and looks at her with a *very* speculative expression - you can practically see the wheels spinning in his head as he tries to figure out why she's coming on to him and how to react. Another glimpse of the "real" Kerr Avon, I think -- a little shy and appealingly geeky.<<< I love that scene. Avon looks so fascinated with her, as if he has just seen her for the first time, although there was a look in Time Squad that was somewhat similar. Fascination is the only word I can find to describe it. Susan Bennett -------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Network/9754/ ebonyben@geocities.com susanb@iol.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 18:51:37 PST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra Message-ID: <19990304025138.10936.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Carol, are you sitting comfortably? I've deliberately visited the site for the above. Purely in the interests of research, of course. Regards Joanne (wondering what she let herself in for when Carol and Susan Beth scared her the other day) PS visited the B7 sounds site too - very nice redesign. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 22:15:36 -0600 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7 Message-Id: <199903040411.WAA02953@athena.host4u.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ---------- >From: "Jonathan" >To: "Blake's 7 List" >Subject: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7 >Date: Wed, Mar 3, 1999, 9:41 PM > >Proposed pointless exercise : If you imagine you had a US primetime sixth >season of Blake's Seven - there's a big budget and the CGI team has already >been headhunted from B5/DS9 - who would you pick to write / direct / guest >star ? > Hmm, Douglas Camfield as director (just because it would be fun). Writer, well we've seen what Neil didn't do for B5, so scratch him... how about a Harlan Ellison script. Just Harlan. Guest star? Why Sylvester McCoy of course. Reuben http://www.reuben.net/blake/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:24:11 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Evolving Avon (was More B7 game stats ( really long) Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/24/99 9:25:30 PM Mountain Standard Time, mistral@ptinet.net writes: > Okay, the first five reasons for the change in Avon from series A to > series D that I can come up with are: > > 1) Desperately Seeking Avon: > 2) On a Guilt Trip: > 3) The Combination Plate > 4) What Happens When You Give a Geek a Spaceship > What did you think was going to happen when geeky little Avon got his > hands on the most powerful ship in the galaxy? For me, the problem seemed mainly that not much of anything happened. > 5) Male Mental-Pause: Can I have a combination of all of the above? But mostly 1 and 5, with a dash of 2 for general angst. I agree with your argument that he's on a slow slide from the very beginning, although I think it probably started as far back as when he first planned the bank fraud. Bored and cranky, our repressed little computer geek gets fed up with being under-appreciated and under- compensated, and starts rebelling in the most gratifying way his pragmatic mind can think of. On the brink of what he thinks is victory, he gets caught and dragged through a very traumatic experience. (He definitely has a guilt thing going on about Anna, from start to finish.) Escaping with the others on Liberator initially looks like a positive change in his luck, and he does start to relax a bit. He's at his mellowest (OK, that's a *very* relative term ) in late season 1 / early season 2. He even starts to believe in Blake (however reluctantly) but as Blake goes downhill himself in season 2, Avon's stress level starts climbing again. Seeing that his idol has feet of clay does not sit well with our boy. In season 3, he discovers that being the leader is not such an easy or desirable thing after all, not to mention that he's not particularly good at it. With Tarrant instead of Blake, his position is reversed and he's on defense instead of offense. Possibly, it serves him right , but it does turn one of his few means of venting his stress into a new source of it. He starts making increasingly reckless decisions; I think he avoids involving the others because in an odd sort of way he doesn't want them to have to share the guilt of responsibility if things go wrong. Losing Cally and Liberator piles on more guilt. The humiliation of being so thoroughly tricked by Servalan seems to give him a huge final push into taking up Blake's crusade, even if it's for practical reasons of survival rather than Blake's idealistic ones. But notice that his definition of survival requirements has at this point expanded to include entire planetary systems, not just a bolthole: "In the end, winning is the only safety." (Sure seems like a mid-life-crisis type change to me.) The more things go wrong, on into season 4, the more stressed out and aggressive he (and his wardrobe) gets and for some reason that seems to make him even more willing to accept increasingly risky plans, as though he truly doesn't see any alternatives. Contrary to what seems to be popular opinion, though, I don't see him as being *consistantly* crazy by the end of season 4. Oh, there are a couple of moments where he snaps temporarily in moments of unendurable pressure, but other than Orbit and Blake, to me he still seems as rational as you could expect him to be under the circumstances. > 8) Avon: A Terrible Aspic: Surprise!!!! While at Star One, one of the > Andromedan Lime gelatins duplicated his form, sucked his brains, and teleported up > to the Liberator. The strain of being Avon was too much for it :D I think maybe they got to PD and his editor too. Force wall activated!! Time to stop rambling now..........Nina (queen of the run-on sentence...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:24:08 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Career change? Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/2/99 6:32:33 AM Mountain Standard Time, csm80316@port.ac.uk writes: > I think he'd be great as Zaphod Beeblebrox in a re-make of HHGTTG Hmm. I have a hard time picturing that, maybe because I've never seen PD in anything comedic. (I'd LOVE to see GG, but that's pretty unlikely I suspect.) Personally, I favor Harrison Ford as Zaphod. Nina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 23:00:03 -0800 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Career change? Message-ID: <36DE2F72.8E0A6D65@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pherber@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/2/99 6:32:33 AM Mountain Standard Time, > csm80316@port.ac.uk writes: > > > I think he'd be great as Zaphod Beeblebrox in a re-make of HHGTTG > > Hmm. I have a hard time picturing that, maybe because I've never seen PD in > anything comedic. That's odd. I was under the impression you'd watched B7 :) > Personally, I favor Harrison Ford as Zaphod. Ooooooh! Decisions, decisions..... then again, didn't he have two heads? Mistral -- "And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:11:35 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Wales Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I'm not sure whether they got to meet up in person or simply did it by radio link (because nobody seemed too sure in advance) but Paul and Gareth were supposed to do something today (Wednesday) for Welsh TV or radio. I don't suppose anyone caught it did they? It was basically a quick chat between them to generate publicity for the two plays. The performance we saw of Guards Guards was absolutely hilarious. Paul was on fine form and so were the rest of the cast. The young man playing the 'king' of Ankh Morepork would have made an excellent Tarrant . He even made jokes about toothpaste. Lady Ramkin was another favourite character. 'Hosts of Rebecca' had some stunning scenes. How they managed to create a totally believable coal mine with little more than three ladders and a few staves is beyond me, but the lighting director deserves an Oscar for making the scene changes so convincing. Gareth was on fine form and it was another good ensemble cast. He looks very fetching with a beard, too. I'd add that Cardiff is also an excellent city to visit. The castle interiors are a Victorian gothic fantasy and really beautiful. The art gallery has made me a convert to Rodin's sculptires and there are also Impressionist paintings and lots of other stuff. They're both within walking distance of the theatre. Go and see both plays if you possibly can. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 02:35:09 PST From: "Stephen Date" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7 Message-ID: <19990304103513.609.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Reuben wrote: >Hmm, Douglas Camfield as director (just because it would be fun). Definitely. >Writer, well we've seen what Neil didn't do for B5, so scratch him... how >about a Harlan Ellison script. Just Harlan. My own choices (in no particular order of importance) JMS, Iain M. Banks, William Gibson, James Blish, Nigel Kneale, Joe Aherne (the chap who wrote Ultraviolet) oh plus Chris Boucher and Terry Nation. (I am assuming that I have access to a fully working TARDIS here). >Guest star? Why Sylvester McCoy of course. Morgan Freeman, Andreas Katsulas, Peter Jurasik, Claudia Christian, Patrick McGoohan, Tom Baker, The four main characters from Ultraviolet, Edward Woodward, Andre Morell, Julian Glover, Dame Diana Rigg. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 03:02:42 PST From: "Rob Clother" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] More B7 game stats ( really long) Message-ID: <19990304110243.2423.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-type: text/plain Julia Jones: > I really didn't think I'd have to insert a :^) smiley in that >one. If others misunderstood my sense of humour (which I admit, is >easy to do), then I apologise. It may be that I was oversensitive -- I'm not sure, and at the moment, I'm not making an awful lot of sense anyway. I think I'd better unsub: otherwise I'll only end up taking things out on members of this list. And that wouldn't be fair. -- Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:52:53 -0000 From: "Alison Page" To: "Rob Clother" , "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] More B7 game stats ( really long) Message-ID: <004001be6635$b47f6420$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not sure if you have unsubbed Rob. I don't think you should unless for your own sake, if you need a bit of a break. I don't think a bit of disagreement at that level does the list any harm. FWIW I agree with Julia on this but who cares? It's just a minor difference in views. The same goes for the Penny thing. I haven't a clue what has upset anyone, but speaking as an outsider to what was going on, it's not intrusive or uncomfortable to read. Not for me anyway. I certainly don't want people to unsub because of things like that. I think it would be a shame if we couldn't express contrary views on the lists. It's interesting as often as not. Alison -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #89 *************************************