From tariqas-approval Mon Nov 6 10:05:48 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23138; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:17:40 -0500 Received: from halon.sybase.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23108; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:17:37 -0500 Received: from sybase.sybase.com (nntp1.sybase.com) by halon.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybFW4.0) id AA23720; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:17:16 -0800 Received: from serii.sybase.com ([158.159.40.63]) by sybase.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.4) id AA22261; Mon, 6 Nov 95 18:17:34 PST Received: by serii.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-4.1/SybEC3.2) id AA03344; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:05:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:05:48 -0800 From: mateens@sybase.com (Mateen Siddiqui) Message-Id: <9511070205.AA03344@serii.sybase.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: four wives X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: Shaykh Hisham Kabbani on "Four Wives" [a sohbet (association) held at the home of Abdus Salam Boone on October 23, 1995] Allah says "My mercy precedes my Anger." He, Glorified and Exalted also said, "My mercy encompasses everything." What is that mercy and what is its sign? If we are fighting it is not mercy for me to stop and back up. If I am a huge wrestler and you are a weak person and I have overcome you, I can harm you. Then it is mercy if I back up. That is the meaning of mercy--to be in the powerful position and then withhold from harm or to extend the hand of kindness and assistance. For that reason Allah says in His Book, "and if you cannot do justice then only one." The outward meaning of this verse, and this is the one on which the shari'ah is based, is that Allah is permitting four wives to a man. But there is a condition on that. It is a very difficult condition. Some scholars say the condition is so difficult as to make it practically impossible to fulfill. And Allah says if you can't meet that condition: then only one. Only one wife if you can't meet the basic condition: that you show them perfectly equal treatment in everything. That your mercy be on all of them. You buy one a car, you buy the other a car; you spend an extra hour with one, you must spend an extra hour with the other three; you take a vacation with one, you take a vacation with each of the other three, with the same entertainment and enjoyments; Most important: you must give them all love and mercy from your side equally. For that reason, it is considered by Sufis that having more than one wife is so difficult, because Allah is Just and He expects justice from His servants. If they cannot be just then they are the ones who fall under the Divine address, "and if only, when they had done injustice and oppression to their own selves, had come to you [O Muhammad] and asked forgiveness of God and you had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found God oft-Returning and Merciful." The door of mercy comes through justice and the door of justice is closed through mercy. Mercy means the Prophet, peace be upon him, as he is named in the Holy Quran "Mercy to the worlds," "rahmatan lil-'aalameen." God is Merciful, and the Prophet is His Mercy, peace be upon him. Because if we are asking to be judged according to God's Justice, none of us will be able to pass. If we examine each and every little thing we did, everything we said, every harm we intended and carried out from the side of our little ego, we will find that we are in bad shape. But if we are asking God to judge us according to His Mercy, that is according to the love the Prophet peace be upon him had for mankind, then we hope to succeed. For that reason there is the Tradition from the Prophet (pbuh) that "no one will enter Paradise by your deeds, but only by the Mercy of God." So for Sufis, the possibility of marrying four wives is behind them. However, that is only the surface meaning of the verse. But to understand it more deeply, Sufi masters spent long times concentrating and meditating on it and seeking its inner meaning. Our master, Mawlana Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani says, "what does God mean 'you must give justice to all four?' It means you must balance all four elements: nafs, dunya, hawa and shaytan [the selfish self, the world, lust and Satan]. None of them must overcome you and you must address each of them so as to keep them in balance and to prevent any one of them from overcoming you. That is when you are allowed all four: when you can balance them perfectly and keep them all in their correct place." For this reason, when a Sufi master puts his murid in seclusion, that is when he will encounter all four of these enemies. In each encounter, if he runs away he fails. His first encounter will be with his nafs. His nafs will appear to him as an awful and most terrible creature. It will not be an appearance or a dream: that monster will be there in front of him attacking him. If he flinches or runs, it is over: the seclusion is broken! And even though it is an illusion, it is so real that he cannot except feel that he will be die, but he must not back up. Then will come to him the hawa, lustful desire. For a man it will come in the form of the most exquisitely beautiful woman on earth beckoning him. If he touches her, it is over! He has failed and the seclusion is ended. For a woman this appearance will be that of the most handsome and perfect man and similarly she must keep herself. That is why seclusion cannot be passed without the spiritual support of one's master. Without that support, every murid will run out. In our time, it is rare for a murid to be ready for seclusion. For that reason, it is unusual for the shaykh to prescribe it. I went through two seclusions, each of forty days. What I saw and what I experienced, I can only say a little about it. When I finished one of those seclusions, I was unable to speak to anyone for forty more days, and they told me I would speak all kinds of things, nonsense, which no one understood. That was from the appearances that only I could see, under the direction of our shaykh. Dunya means to love everything in this world, to desire with your eye what you see in other's possession. Even if you have all treasures of the world, if you see another you want it. To reach the station of satisfaction with what Allah has given you, you will be able to balance with the other three states. The eye is greedy, never full, even if you have all treasurs and you see a poor person, who has some sinmple thing you dont have you want to get it from him, or at least have one like it. That is the psychology of our human nature. The lowest level of faith is to love for your brother and sister what you love yourself. That is the first step of faith according to the Sufis. The next level is to love for your brother better than what you love for yourself. However, that is not enough. When you are in seclusion you must reach and pass the stage which is: to love for all mankind to sacrifice yourself for everyone, even the worst sinner, for them to go to Paradise and you to go to Hell in their place. Then you pass the test. May Allah grant us to be among His servants who die before they die. That is the purpose of seclusion. By die, here means be born. Born from this worldly life to the spiritual life, in which spirits and human beings are freely conversant and in which every person's spiritual powers are there free to use: just as you use your hands, feet, lips, tongue and so on, if you die before you die, you will find your spiritual faculties as easy to use as your own physical limbs. It is a big blessing to reach that. When this opens to you, it is according to the words of God from the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him: "My servant does not cease top approach me with voluntary worship until I love him. And when I love him, I will be the ears with which he hears, the eyes with which he sees, and the hand with which he strikes and the legs with which he walks,... until he will be "lordly" he will only say to a thing 'be!' and it is!" Finally, the fourth "wife" is shaytan. Every person has his orher own personal shaytan in his or her heart. That shaytan is constantly living in the house of the heart. There he is busy incessantly whispering evil insinuations and ugly thoughts. So for the Prophet (s) Jibreel removed that part from his heart when he was a child. Similarly, every person who has that qareen, if he can control it, that shaytan will be obliged to make sajdah to you, as shaytan was ordered to make sajdah to Adam. That is the sign of clean-heartness as Adam was clean . at this time the Allah will teach you all the names, as soon as the shaytan will make sajdah, Allah will inspire into your heart to reval to you the names which He taught Adam. At that time you will reach to the heaven, as Adam was in heaven, and you will be revealed all the knowledge, as Adam had revealed to him all the kowledge. When Allah asked the angels "tell me the names of those if you know them" they said, "we don't know them" He then ordered Adam to teach them the names and he did so. May God Almighty and Glorious, grant each of us, man and woman that grant. He destined it for each person and granted it, but no one is accepting that grant. Seek to reach your real self, be dead to this life and be born to the real life. >From God is all success. O God bless your Beloved Prophet and Servant, Muhammad and all his brother prophets and messengers and spiritual successors and his Companions and his family. for the sake of the Beloved we read the Opening chapter of the Quran: al-Fatiha. __________________________________________________ Naqshbandi-Haqqani Sufi Foundation URL: http://www.best.com/~informe/mateen/haqqani.html [in 9 languages] From tariqas-approval Tue Nov 7 01:21:53 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26835; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:51:23 -0500 Received: from mail.pixi.com (phoenix.pixi.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26793; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:51:19 -0500 Received: from pixiuser.pixi.com (rodan09.pixi.com [140.174.243.200]) by mail.pixi.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) with SMTP id JAA28406 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:51:14 -1000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 09:21:53 PST From: sanjuan5@pixi.com (alberto san juan jr) To: Caravan To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: RE: what next Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim Beloved Friends, I would like to correct what was stated by Daniel Muzaffer (Caravan). Sheikh Nur was given outward permission within the last two years if not earlier, by Sheikh Sefer Efendi to make khalifas, in that at least three turbans were given to persons of the Circle Nur who visited Istanbul, with instructions from Efendi that Nur would place the turbans on their heads, which he did. Alhamdulillah. Only Allah knows to what extent Sheikh Nur was/is empowered, but even outwardly this was given. So much of him has been hidden, and will inshallah shine much more clearly now. May Allah bless him and us with peace. Salaamu aleykum From tariqas-approval Tue Nov 7 08:22:58 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15942; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 19:23:16 -0500 Received: from diamond.sierra.net by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15913; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 19:23:13 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (tol-d239.sierra.net) by diamond.sierra.net with SMTP id AA27946 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:23:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199511080023.AA27946@diamond.sierra.net> X-Sender: frank@sierra.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 16:22:58 -0800 To: tariqas@world.std.com From: frank@sierra.net (Tanzen Frank Gaude) Subject: Re: al-choir akbar Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: Alhamdulillah! >> dear mr. tanzen of tahoe >> >> i have never sung in any choir but i do recite Qur'an daily. > >> A. N. Durkee >> Green Mountain > >I am told that Qur'an is music to Allah's ears; perhaps you >are singing is his choir. >-Michael- I am told that Allah's ears are our ears and that every kind thought, word and deed is heard throughout the cosmos, up and down Ray of Creation... reading Al Qur'an is music that spreads out all over earth, so Mr. Durkee does sing! And sings beautifully... Allah Hooooooo Akbar! tanzen of tahoe From PERSC@BREMNER.UCT.AC.ZA Wed Nov 8 07:11:58 1995 Received: from uctmail2.uct.ac.za by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00398; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:11:58 -0500 Received: by uctmail2.uct.ac.za (Smail3.1.29.1 #14) id m0tD9MA-0005U1C; Wed, 8 Nov 95 14:11 SAT Message-Id: Received: by uctmail2.uct.ac.za (Mort 2.0a) id 453 from BREMNER; Wed Nov 8 14:11:53 1995 From: "Cassim, S, Shakiena" To: tariqas@world.std.com, tariqas-approval@world.std.com Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:14:41 SAST-2 Subject: Re: [1]Light of the Prophet (s) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Status: RO X-Status: HI Thanks for message, something useful for a change. S From tariqas-approval Wed Nov 8 07:12:04 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00423; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:12:04 -0500 Received: from uctmail2.uct.ac.za by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00398; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:11:58 -0500 Received: by uctmail2.uct.ac.za (Smail3.1.29.1 #14) id m0tD9MA-0005U1C; Wed, 8 Nov 95 14:11 SAT Message-Id: Received: by uctmail2.uct.ac.za (Mort 2.0a) id 453 from BREMNER; Wed Nov 8 14:11:53 1995 From: "Cassim, S, Shakiena" To: tariqas@world.std.com, tariqas-approval@world.std.com Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:14:41 SAST-2 Subject: Re: [1]Light of the Prophet (s) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: HI Thanks for message, something useful for a change. S From tariqas-approval Wed Nov 8 06:53:06 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02756; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:10:57 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02678; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:10:52 -0500 Received: from asb12 (sls2.asb.com [165.254.128.12]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA16716 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:53:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:53:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199511081853.MAA16716@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: f_haddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: f_haddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: Abraham's Honored Guests X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: Abraham's Honored Guests ======================== An excerpt from Shaykh Hisham Kabbani's 1995 book <> (KAZI Publications, Chicago). 51:24: "Hath the story of Abraham's honored guests reached thee (O Muhammad)?" Abraham's nickname was: "Father of guests" because he was so hospitable. Because of his great hospitality, God always sent him an angel to keep company with him, so that Abraham would not have to sit and eat alone. One time God sent Abraham three angels to bring him news of a son, although he and his wife were quite old. It is said that the three angels who visited Abraham are called "honored" because Abraham, the Intimate Friend of God, served them himself. It is also said that they are called this because the guest of an honorable person is himself honorable. God blessed the lands of the entire Middle East with great angelic presence and light. He caused all the prophets and saints who are mentioned in His revealed Scriptures and traditions to be born there. God made them visit and bless the various locations that He caused to bathe in perpetual angelic light, such as Mecca, Madina, Jerusalem, Damascus, Sinai, Yemen, and the mountains of the Lebanon. God brought Abraham to Syria and called it: "The land which we have blessed for the benefit of the worlds" (21:72). One day Gabriel asked God: "O God! show me one of Your beloved servants." God sent him down to see Abraham. Gabriel searched the earth and found him sitting with his son on a hill overlooking a valley entirely filled with flocks of sheep and cattle. In the blink of an eye Gabriel appeared before him as a man and addressed him: "O stranger! what is your name?" - "My name is Abraham." - "And who is this with you?" - "My son." - "What are you doing on this hill?" - "Tending those flocks you see below." - "Whose flocks are these?" - "They are mine." Abraham was wondering why this man was asking all these questions but he kept quiet. Gabriel went on questioning him and checking his faith. He said: - "O Abraham! these flocks are too many for you." - "They are not too many but if you would like to have a share I can give you some." - "Yes, but I cannot pay the cost." - "The price will not be too much for you but it will be dear to me." - "I do not understand." - "Ask me." - "What is the price, O Abraham?" - "The price of half this flock is under your tongue and between your lips." - "What is that?" - "It will take only a few seconds to move your tongue and your lips with some words then half the flock will be yours." - "What are these words?" - "Are you accepting my terms?" - "Yes, I accept." - "Then say: 'subbuhun quddusun rabbul mala'ikati war ruh,' 'Most Glorious and Holiest, Lord of the angels and the Spirit!'" Gabriel said: - "Subbuhun quddusun rabbul mala'ikati war ruh." - "O my son! go down rightaway and put half of these flocks on the side for our guest." Gabriel continued Abraham's examination: - "O Abraham! what remains is still too many for you and your son alone, while we, my tribe and I, are greater in number than you." - "O my brother! do not worry. I shall give you another half of the remaining half if you say a second time: 'Most Glorious and Holiest, Lord of the angels and the Spirit!'" God ordered all the angels in heaven to pay attention at the dialogue between Gabriel and Abraham and to marvel at the latter's faith and loyalty. Gabriel again said: - "Subbuhun quddusun rabbul mala'ikati war ruh." Abraham immediately ordered: - "O my son! take half of the remainder and add it to the first half." Then he looked at the man and said: - "I feel that you want to ask for more. I will not wait for you to ask again. I shall ask you myself if you want more." At that time all the angels in heaven wept and praised the generosity of the perfect man, Abraham. God said to his angels: "I am creating from every drop of your tears an angel that will inhabit the earth until the end of this world. They will be my messengers in charge of protecting and guiding human beings until Judgment Day." And God said: "Be," and the angels were created, and descended in throngs upon the earth for guiding and protecting human beings. That was for one person, Abraham. What about all the other pious ones, prophets and saints who, like Abraham, are causing God's mercy to descend on the earth for our benefit? Then Abraham said to Gabriel: - "Say: 'Most Glorious, Holiest, our Lord and the Lord of angels and the Spirit!'" Gabriel said: - "Subbuhun quddusun rabbuna wa rabbul mala'ikati war- ruh." Abraham then said to his son: - "O my son! leave eveything for our visitor and let us go. I have received the price I asked. These three utterances of blessing on my Lord are more precious to me than all these flocks." - "Abraham, wait! said the visitor. I am Gabriel the angel, I only came to check your love and your sincerity. I don't need all these flocks!" - "O Gabriel! Abraham said, did you think I did not know it was you? Were you not aware that I recognized you from the first moment you came here? You came veiling yourself from me but I pointed you out when I asked you to praise your Lord with the words: 'Lord of the angels and the Spirit.' It is I who covered myself from you. I differentiated myself from you when I made you say the third time: 'Our Lord (Lord of human beings) and the Lord of angels and the Spirit.'" Gabriel was baffled by Abraham's answer. He did not know what to do with the cattle and sheep! God called him and said: "O Gabriel! leave Abraham, for he will never take them back. This is because when the generous one gives he never takes back and never reminds someone of a favor he did him. I have adorned Abraham with that attribute of Mine, al-Karim: 'the Generous One,' for his love and sincerity. Direct these flocks of sheep, cows, goats, horses, donkeys, buffaloes, and camels to the jungles of this earth. Appoint over them guardian angels to look after them. My will is that these species of animals will never be extinguished from the earth because of Abraham's generosity." Gabriel assigned angels to those flocks. Wherever you go on this earth you will find generations of these animals in every part of the globe because of the blessing of Abraham's generosity. From tariqas-approval Wed Nov 8 06:53:17 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02710; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:10:59 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02631; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:10:50 -0500 Received: from asb12 (sls2.asb.com [165.254.128.12]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA16720 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:53:17 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:53:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199511081853.MAA16720@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: f_haddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: f_haddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: Abraham and Nimrod X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: Abraham and Nimrod ================== An excerpt from Shaykh Hisham Kabbani's 1995 book <> (KAZI Publications, Chicago). When Nimrod desired to hurt Abraham he had a great fire built, such as had never been seen on the surface of the earth. The fire was so great that they could not approach it in order to throw in Abraham. A man told Nimrod that he had invented a special machine which he could use if he wished. That was the manjaniq or catapult. Abraham was seized, placed in it, and thrown into the fire. All that time he was saying: "My reliance is on God!" When he landed in the fire, he said: "O God, You are One in heaven and I am one on earth worshipping You." Gabriel immediately asked God for permission to go and help Abraham. God said: "If you wish you may go and ask him if he desires help." Gabriel went down and appeared before Abraham. God told all the angels to watch what would happen and listen to Abraham's answer. Gabriel said: - "O Abraham! I came to help. Do you want me to take you out of the fire?" Abraham answered: - "Does God not see His servant, O Gabriel?" - "Yes, of course, He sees everything!" - "Then let Him do as He wishes with me, O Gabriel!" The angel of rain asked God: "Our Lord, will you let me order the rain to put out that fire?" All the animals of creation gathered and tried to put out the fire, each using the means at its disposal. Only the gecko lizard was found fanning it. But God's order to the fire itself was faster, for God had already made the fire cool and safe for Abraham. The angels praised Abraham for his absolute trust in God. The only discomfort that he suffered at that time was that he sweated a little and Gabriel wiped his sweat for him. Then God ordered the angel of the shade to descend and make Abraham's stay a comfortable one. The angel of the shade came down and caused a huge garden to sprout instantly in the midst of the fire. A green meadow appeared in the midst of which there was a pleasant pond filled with fish and swans from Paradise. Their scales and feathers shone like silk and reflected all the colors of creation. Servants were attending Abraham, who was found under the cool shade of a willow-tree surrounded with delicious fruits and dainty dishes, and the angels engaged him in a divine conversation, during which they revealed to him the secrets of their stations and the powers God had endowed them with, giving him everything. At that time those who were outside looking in, began to wish that they, too, would be thrown into that fire with Abraham. Even his father, who previously disbelieved in him, said: "O Abraham, what a wonderful Lord your Lord is!" And his mother actually went into the fire escorted by the angels, hugged Abraham and came back out without being harmed. No-one else could approach it without feeling an intense scorching heat. The fire burnt uncontrollably for forty days. But Abraham's garden only increased in verdure and kept expanding with the constant visitations and blessings of the angels. At that time, Abraham's fire was the most blessed spot on the entire surface of the earth, as God looked upon it with the highest favor. He ordered all the angels of creation to pay at least one visit to His Friend Abraham. From tariqas-approval Wed Nov 8 06:52:29 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA05017; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:52:37 -0500 Received: from orion.it.luc.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04916; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:52:33 -0500 Received: (from stourk@localhost) by orion.it.luc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA138109; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:52:30 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:52:29 -0600 (CST) From: Sonia Tourk To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Cairo and Tariqas Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: A Bismallahi Ar-rahmani, Ar-rahim In the name of God, the Compassionate the Merciful Assalamu Alaikum, dearest brothers and sisters on tariqa net I have been intending now for a while to share with you some of my experiences in Egypt. When I was writing, though, I found that everything I tried to share with you concerning my experiences there led into a more general discussion of the role that tariqas, more specifically the Most Distinguished Naqshbandi tariqat, has played in my life over the past few years. Insha'Allah (God Willing), given the nature of this net, my more revised topic subject is even more appropriate to you all:) I went to Egypt to study Arabic this summer. I live near Chicago, and Alhamdulillah (Praise is God's) have been given the oppurtunity to attend dhickr sessions quite regularly in the area. I was raised as a Muslim, but until I encountered tariqas had never experienced the beauty that is "true" Islam. The masjids I attended when I was young were divided up among ethnic and/or financial lines. In those big enough to contain a number of different ethnic groups, they would inevitably break off when meals were served or at any other oppurtunity outside of prayer. Furthermore, in one of the biggest masjids in the area there is a book which expained that Islamically we know women are not intellectually equal to men...Of course, this view is absolutely untrue from an Islamic viewpoint, but Insha'Allah here I will not digress into the hotbed-topic of women in Islam. Anyway, these dhickr sessions were also the first place that people did not surge up to me asking where I was from, what I wanted to study, who my parents were and what they did, etc. In short, these people became like my family, knowing and relating to me not through the "dunya," or worldy aspects that can characterize relationships. This aspect, of not being defined by any sort of worldly status, but only as a fellow seeker - indeed as a fellow human being - was extraordinarily dear to me. Thus, ironic as it was, I was a bit scared of not having this very special sort of atmosphere when I went to Egypt. Alhamdulillah, once I got there I was given the oppurtunity to attend not only dhickr, but associations and darses (lessons) about Islam and tasawuf (purity, sufism), which were in English! Although, of course, there were a number of people who attended these who did not speak English as their native language (Arabs, Africans, and Euopeans attended) they all had a very good handle on it. In fact, their relative mastery of languages humbled me a bit, but Alhamdulillah, humility is certainly a desireable characteristic. Thus, with the blessings of my shaykh, Mawlana Shaykh Hisham al-Kabbani,I experienced the same familial atmosphere I had known, and am blessed to know, in Chicago. I was welcomed to Cairo with open arms, and people I had never seen before and had no previous contact with opened their hearts and homes to me. Looking back, this attitude of "Welcome. Come stay in our house totally unsupervised" would be perceived as idiocy here. In Cairo, however, it seemed totally natural, and I was very grateful for this. Again, there was a sense of being a part of a family, a rather huuuge family that could encompass an ocean. When I experienced this sort of situation; the "family" and the diversity of the people in it, it helped me come to the realization that, as my Shaykh has said, we are *all* connected to each other. This is regardless of color, gender, economic class, shoe size, everything. Of course, this idea is not a new one, but it is not an easy one to fully internalize (at least not for me). Of course, I have not yet come to a perfect realization of this, but Insha'Allah someday I will. Another marvelous thing I found demonstrated over and over again was a Qur'anic principle that my Shaykh has spoken of a number of times; namely that any badness you see in the world comes from within, and any goodness come from the Divine One. This principle definitely deserves more explanation, however I am certainly not able to give it, and am wary of any attempts to. If one tries to convey the teachings of a true shaykh, it will always be in a diluted or confusing form. A true shaykh can address the needs you have and the questions in your heart without you even expressing them. A true shaykh gives you whatever you need through his Heavenly Support. Thus, I do not mean to leave anyone hanging. As a westerner in Egypt, one can experience a sort of hyper-awareness that you are, indeed, a foreigner in a country very different from your own. This awareness can translate into a sort of extreme self-consciousness. You can imagine people looking at you, resent the food that you're not used to, things of that nature. (Although a few McDonalds have opened up recently in Cairo and Alexandria.) You can just plain want to come home to a place and lifestyle that you are more familiar with. On the other hand, you can open yourself up to the beauty of the East. You can give yourself over to the sort of pervasive mysticism that exists there. When I did this, not assuming any bad intentions from anyone, and just generally tried to be have good manners, my life in general became much easier. I could appreciate what was new or different to me and appreciate it more as a testimony to the Greatness of our Lord that He could create such diversity. Generally, I felt a sort of peace and tranquility that was totally new to me. To try and draw the parallel more clearly, I will use the example of visiting a maqam, or any other sort of holy site. You can go and sort of wait for something to happen, "Is something supposed to happen? What am I supposed to *do*? How long am I supposed to stay?" Or, you can go with no specific expectations, and just hope for some sort of benefit. You can sit, meditate, do dhickr, pray, whatever. Essentially, you give yourself over to the experience. Alhamdulillah, I have found that when this is my attitude, I have experienced some sort of benefit, and these moments are some of the clearest to me. I was also given the oppurtunity, with the blessings of my Shaykh, to have an excellent converstaion about this with a very good English friend I met over there, who had converted to Islam. We were speaking of wearing higab in western countries. Initially, you sort of expect everyone to be against you, and you sort of feel a hostility. However, when you get to be OK with it, then it seems like everyone else is as well. When you are comfortable with it, others are as well. Alhamdulillah, there is another Naqshbandi outpost in England where she attends school, so she, too, was able to return to a family:) These are a few of the things that I got out of Egypt. I hope it is clear that none of this awareness or the intensity of my experiences couldn't have happened without the blessings and guidance of my Shaykh. I don't mean to promote him, but when you have found someone as wonderful as him you can not help but want everyone to experience the same. So don't take me wrong, but I want to say this: If you have questions or feel an emptiness or confusion, I would urge you to seek out Mawlana Shaykh Hisham al-Kabbani. Nothing, no reading, no dialogues about it, nothing can compare to being in the company of an authorized Shaykh. It is like if you are eating something, a melon, for example. You could try to explain to someone the color of the melon, the sweetness, how juicy it was, etc. But the person can not get a true taste of it until they themselves try the melon. I would urge you all to come meet him if the oppurtunity is ever given. Thank you for taking the time to read this. All wisdom in this comes from Allah with the blessings of Mawlana Shaykh Hisham al-Kabbani. Any mistakes are from me. Wa min Allahi at-tow fiqh. (And from God is all success) Your sister, Sonia From tariqas-approval Wed Nov 8 01:39:01 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12348; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:38:21 -0500 Received: from mail.pixi.com (phoenix.pixi.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12299; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:38:18 -0500 Received: from pixiuser.pixi.com (mothra18.pixi.com [140.174.243.149]) by mail.pixi.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) with SMTP id JAA10775 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:38:14 -1000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 95 09:39:01 PST From: sanjuan5@pixi.com (alberto san juan jr) To: Sonia Tourk To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: RE: Cairo and Tariqas Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim Dearest Sonia, Asalaamu aleykum ve rahmatullahi ve barakatuhu. Alhamdulillah! Thank you for sharing your beautiful experience and heart with us. May Allah bless you and all of us and draw us to Nearness, immerse us in Bliss and unveil His Unity within our hearts. From tariqas-approval Tue Nov 7 23:55:15 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24498; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 01:55:46 -0500 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24464; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 01:55:44 -0500 Received: from diamond.sierra.net by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzozf15242; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (tol-d227.sierra.net) by diamond.sierra.net with SMTP id AA21956 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:55:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199511081555.AA21956@diamond.sierra.net> X-Sender: frank@sierra.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 07:55:15 -0800 To: tariqas@world.std.com From: frank@sierra.net (Tanzen Frank Gaude) Subject: Re: horrible situations Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: Alhamdulillah! Praise be to God (al-Hamdu'lillah)! Hello, Mr. McCoy! >> Jeremiah 31:31-34 Behold... I will make a new covenant... I >> will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their >> hearts; and will be their God... And they shall teach no more >> every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, >> Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of >> them unto the greatest of them... and I will remember their sin >> no more. (Also see Ezekiel 36:26-28.) > >Does this have anything to do with the Quaker church? No, but if you quake on understanding its inner meaning the Quakers would likely take you in their arms. The quaking Mr. Dunkee likely was pointing to was the awesome nature, peace of Allah. >The Gospel of Thomas (not in the canonical Christian texts, but a Gnostic >doctrine) makes the idea of The God Within even more explicit. With many of us Union is beyond idea but is gnosis, beyond understanding, beyond words. For you and all here: EVERYWHERE the aroma of God begins to arrive look at these people not knowing their feet from head as they begin to arrive every soul is seeking His soul every soul parched with thirst they've all heard the voice of the quencher of thirst everyone tastes the love everyone tastes the milk anxious to know from where the real mother begins to arrive waiting in fever wondering ceaselessly when will that final union begin to arrive Moslems and Christians and Jews raising their hands to the sky their chanting voice in unison begin to arrive how happy is the one whose heart's ear hears that special voice as it begins to arrive clear your ears my friend from all impurity a polluted ear can never hear the sound as it begins to arrive if your eyes are marred with petty visions wash them with tears your teardrops are healers as they begin to arrive keep silence don't rush to finish your poem the finisher of the poem the creator of the word will begin to arrive RUMI, ghazal number 837, translated April 16, 1992, by Nader Khalili. Allahu akbar, la illaha illa'llah - God is great, none exists but God; nothing exists but the being of God. tanzen of tahoe From tariqas-approval Wed Nov 8 17:37:50 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29897; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 04:37:55 -0500 Received: from blob.best.net by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29889; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 04:37:54 -0500 Received: from [204.156.129.34] (informe.vip.best.com [204.156.129.34]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id BAA07551 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 01:37:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 01:37:50 -0800 From: informe@best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: horrible situations Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: >RUMI, ghazal number 837, translated April 16, 1992, >by Nader Khalili. > >Allahu akbar, la illaha illa'llah - God is great, none exists >but God; nothing exists but the being of God. > >tanzen of tahoe As-salaam alaikum, Do you know if Nader Khalili is related to the Afghan poet Ustad Khalilullah Khalili? Salaams, Hamza From tariqas-approval Thu Nov 9 00:32:00 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02451; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:32:55 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02392; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:32:51 -0500 Received: from Trial.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tDZuA-0005ZlC; Thu, 9 Nov 95 08:32 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 08:32 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Re: horrible situations Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: >Alhamdulillah! Praise be to God (al-Hamdu'lillah)! > and thank you Mr Tanzen of Taho for this beautiful reminder. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval Thu Nov 9 16:27:43 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18936; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:27:48 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18891; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:27:44 -0500 Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA29907 for tariqas@world.std.com; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:27:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:27:43 -0500 From: Jinavamsa@aol.com Message-Id: <951109212742_102688100@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: Khalili family tree Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: A fresh rendering of the Allahu .... : always good to have it afresh! The change in subject I propose above (in the Subject box) may make it clearer, if anyone answers the question below, about Nader Khalili. in peace, Jinavamsa In a message dated 95-11-09 06:55:48 EST, you write: > >>RUMI, ghazal number 837, translated April 16, 1992, >>by Nader Khalili. >> >>Allahu akbar, la illaha illa'llah - God is great, none exists >>but God; nothing exists but the being of God. >> >>tanzen of tahoe > >As-salaam alaikum, > >Do you know if Nader Khalili is related to the Afghan poet Ustad >Khalilullah Khalili? > >Salaams, > >Hamza > > From tariqas-approval Thu Nov 9 16:27:50 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19056; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:27:54 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19004; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:27:51 -0500 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA26941 for tariqas@world.std.com; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:27:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:27:50 -0500 From: Jinavamsa@aol.com Message-Id: <951109212747_102688179@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: Cairo and Tariqas Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: dear Sonia, I did read your entire message, and perhaps I am wrong, but I sense that the beauty radiated there has at least a bit of Sonia in it. Jinavamsa In a message dated 95-11-09 10:20:30 EST, you write: > >All wisdom in this comes from Allah with the blessings of Mawlana Shaykh >Hisham al-Kabbani. Any mistakes are from me. Wa min Allahi at-tow fiqh. >(And from God is all success) > >Your sister, >Sonia > > From tariqas-approval Wed Nov 8 04:07:29 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12730; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 23:40:33 -0500 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12713; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 23:40:31 -0500 Received: from homer25.u.washington.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzozy28208; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by homer25.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA93845; Wed, 8 Nov 95 12:07:29 -0800 X-Sender: lilyan@homer25.u.washington.edu Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:07:29 -0800 (PST) From: Lilyan Ila To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: Cairo and Tariqas In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: asalaam-u-aleikum Many thanks, Sonia, for the beautiful account of your travels. I have had such similar experiences regarding travels, hijab and Sheikhs that it felt as though I was reading my own thoughts. much love Lily From tariqas-approval Fri Nov 10 02:40:25 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24971; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:41:03 -0500 Received: from diamond.sierra.net by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24953; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:41:00 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (tol-d234.sierra.net) by diamond.sierra.net with SMTP id AA08900 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:40:56 -0800 Message-Id: <199511101840.AA08900@diamond.sierra.net> X-Sender: frank@sierra.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:40:25 -0800 To: tariqas@world.std.com From: frank@sierra.net (Tanzen Frank Gaude) Subject: Re: Khalili family tree Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: As-salaam alaikum! I have a copy of "Rumi, Fountain of Fire", Burning Gate Press, 18401 Burbank Blvd., Suite 123, Tarzana, CA 91356... no telephone number listed. Within the book no relations are memtioned of Nader Khalili, except to say his native tongue is Persian and that he is a friend of Prof. Wm. C. Chittick of State University of New York, Stony Brook. Chittick has a piece in the rear of the book regarding Rumi and who he was... only thing I know of Khalili is his many books and his architecture... his is famous in certain parts... "Racing Alone", "Ceramic Houses and Earth Architecture", and "Sidwalks on the Moon" can be obtained from Burning Gate Press... do have a picture of Nader, which sorta looks like Pir Vilayat of Sufi Order in the West; amazing! Strange are the works of God, praise be to Him! >A fresh rendering of the Allahu .... : always good to have it afresh! Yes, yes... "To be creative means not to be limited by what we've inherited from the past, but to be something new, to be yourself, to affirm something that has never been done in the past." -- Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan Indicates to stop imitating an idol, save Allah! >The change in subject I propose above (in the Subject box) may make it >clearer, if anyone answers the question below, about Nader Khalili. >in peace, >Jinavamsa Thanks, so welcome! >In a message dated 95-11-09 06:55:48 EST, you write: > >>>RUMI, ghazal number 837, translated April 16, 1992, >>>by Nader Khalili. >>> >>>Allahu akbar, la illaha illa'llah - God is great, none exists >>>but God; nothing exists but the being of God. >>> >>>tanzen of tahoe >> >>As-salaam alaikum, >> >>Do you know if Nader Khalili is related to the Afghan poet Ustad >>Khalilullah Khalili? >> >>Salaams, >> >>Hamza From tariqas-approval Sat Nov 11 00:56:25 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA07865; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:49:31 -0500 Received: from shell.wco.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA07854; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:49:29 -0500 Received: from rock37.calon.com (rock37.calon.com [199.4.109.137]) by shell.wco.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA25690 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:46:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199511110746.XAA25690@shell.wco.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Altaf Bhimji" To: tariqas@world.std.com Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 00:56:25 +0000 Subject: "homeless" sufis Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: Salaam Ailaikum This is the first time I'm writting on this list, though have lurked on for a few weeks... I'm writting 'cause I ran into an intreasting discussion on a list devoted to "homelessness". We were discussing "begging" in different cultures/societies and someone mentioned that in some cultures begging not considered "immoral", and that there was a spiritual context to this "begging", or "panhandeling". The discussion seems to be moving towards the idea of folks being "homeless" for a "spiritual quest". An anthropologist has posted a message saying that "zen homeless" is a myth. I'm curious, and would like some opinions from folks on this list... 1) Is there really such a thing as a "wandering dervish"? Meaning the person moves from one place to another without a physical home? 2)What about subsisting on "charity" of others, and not "working" in a "mainstream" environment? Are there, or were there people who did this? How were they regarded by others? 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These doumbeks really combine the best sound with unmatched looks in a highfired, strong and durable drum; they have to be seen to appreciate how far in advance they are to the drums commonly available. Jack DeJohnette can be seen with one of these on pg. 48 of the June '95 isue of MODERN DRUMMER. Salaam, Z From tariqas-approval Sat Nov 11 17:50:05 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00295; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:08 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00222; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:07 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA15503 for Tariqas@world.std.com.; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:05 -0500 From: ZIAulHUQ@aol.com Message-Id: <951111225002_83547582@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: Tariqas@world.std.com Subject: DUSSUKI?????? Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: If anyone can provide me with any information on Hazrati Ibrahim Dussuki, or the Dussuki Tarikat I would be most appreciative. From tariqas-approval Sat Nov 11 17:50:06 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00299; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:09 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00224; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:07 -0500 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA15913 for Tariqas@world.std.com.; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:06 -0500 From: ZIAulHUQ@aol.com Message-Id: <951111225005_83547595@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Tariqas@world.std.com Subject: TARIKATS???? Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: I would be grateful for any information on Sheikhs and Tarikats, particularly Mevlevia,and Ruffai, I might visit both in the US and in Turkey. From tariqas-approval Sat Nov 11 17:50:07 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00335; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:10 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00288; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:08 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA00812 for Tariqas@world.std.com.; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:07 -0500 From: ZIAulHUQ@aol.com Message-Id: <951111225006_83547598@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: Tariqas@world.std.com Subject: MALEKNIA-NASERALISHAH ????? Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know what has become of the Kanegah Maleknia Naseralishah which was once in NYC ? Does anyone know of any other people from this tarikat in the US or elsewhere ? Any help is most appreciated. Salaam wasaalatuHU Z From tariqas-approval Sat Nov 11 04:36:41 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00789; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 07:58:48 -0500 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00773; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 07:58:46 -0500 Received: from espace.dcl.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzpnn02947; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 07:59:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from forthd by espace.dcl.com (MX V3.1C) with UUCP; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 04:57:13 PST Received: by forthd.dcl.com (DECUS UUCP /2.0/2.0/2.0/); Sat, 11 Nov 95 19:00:21 PST Received: from fifthd by fifthd.uucp (UUPC/extended 1.12b) with UUCP; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 04:36:48 GMT From: Caravan To: wh@seas.upenn.edu, khadim@forthd.dcl.com, tariqas@world.std.com Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 04:36:41 GMT+6 Subject: getting through? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: Peace be with you I sent today three postings to Winged Heart responding to specific questions about my contributions to the discussion on silsila, about Idries Shah as a reliable source of information about our silsila in particular and Sufism in general, and about recent recordings and poetry available through the Sufi Movement. Yesterday I posted verbatim extracts from Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan on minimum levels of courtesy to be observed by WH users. These postings did not appear on WH nor were they bounced back to our terminal by the "Mailer Daemon". Given the spate of recent verbal abuse we endured by those not in agreement with our views, we wonder if this is a coincidence or a connection. The courtesy of a response is requested, if WH is indeed an open forum which does not censor postings. This is being cc'd to tariqas for forwarding purposes to users of both Sufi on-line groups. Thank you! - Daniel & Khadim -- Caravan khadim@forthd.dcl.com From Majordomo-Owner@world.std.com Sun Nov 12 08:01:44 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01390; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 08:01:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 08:01:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199511121301.AA01390@world.std.com> To: tariqas-approval From: Majordomo@world.std.com Subject: APPROVE tariqas Reply-To: Majordomo@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: -- root!fifthd@forthd.dcl.com requests that you approve the following: subscribe tariqas [] If you approve, please send a message such as the following back to Majordomo@world.std.com (with the appropriate PASSWORD filled in, of course): approve PASSWORD subscribe tariqas [] If you disapprove, do nothing. Thanks! 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I DON'T NEED a companion who is nasty sad and sour the one who is like a grave dark depressing and bitter a sweetheart is a mirror a friend a delicious cake it isn't worth spending an hour with anyone else a companion who is in love only with the self has five distinct characters stone hearted unsure of every step lazy and disinterested keeping a poisonous face the more this companion waits around the more bitter everything will get just like a vinegar getting more sour with time enough is said about sour and bitter faces a heart filled with desire for sweetness and tender souls must not waste itself with unsavory matters RUMI, "Fountain of Fire: A Celebration of Life and Love", translated from the original Persian (Diwan-i Shams-i Tabrizi, the Furuzanfar's 10th Persian edition) by Nader Khalili. 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Majordomo@world.std.com From tariqas-approval Sun Nov 12 19:56:31 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28726; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 00:56:34 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28707; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 00:56:31 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA29352 for tariqas@world.std.com; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 00:56:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 00:56:31 -0500 From: Hafizullah@aol.com Message-Id: <951113005630_20692797@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: test text corruption Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: I know a little about this sort of thing. What kind of text corruption are folks experiencing? Please reply to me personally rather than fill other's mailboxes with what will be irrelevant to them. hafizullah@aol.com From tariqas-approval Mon Nov 13 11:38:13 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24967; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:38:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:38:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199511131638.AA24967@world.std.com> To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com From: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@world.std.com: Admin request Status: RO X-Status: >From davidh@netman.ENS.TEK.COM Mon Nov 13 00:36:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: from inet1.tek.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24897; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:38:08 -0500 Received: by inet1.tek.com id ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:39:07 -0800 Received: from tektronix.tek.com(134.62.48.24) by inet1 via smap (V1.3) id sma023535; Mon Nov 13 08:37:08 1995 Received: from cascade.ENS.TEK.COM by tektronix.TEK.COM (4.1/8.2) id AA22051; Mon, 13 Nov 95 08:35:56 PST Received: from netman.ENS.TEK.COM by cascade.ENS.TEK.COM (5.0/8.1) id AA06378; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:38:26 -0800 Received: from localhost.TEK by netman.ENS.TEK.COM (4.1/8.0) id AA07086; Mon, 13 Nov 95 08:36:06 PST Message-Id: <9511131636.AA07086@netman.ENS.TEK.COM> To: tariqas@world.std.COM Subject: Winged Heart Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:36:05 PST From: David Hatcher Content-Length: 110 Greetings Please, could someone tell me how to subscribe to Winged Heart? Thanks in advance David From tariqas-approval Mon Nov 13 01:52:29 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26611; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:04:44 -0500 Received: from halon.sybase.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26490; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:04:24 -0500 Received: from sybase.sybase.com (nntp1.sybase.com) by halon.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybFW4.0) id AA13226; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:04:05 -0800 Received: from serii.sybase.com ([158.159.40.63]) by sybase.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.4) id AA20854; Mon, 13 Nov 95 10:04:21 PST Received: by serii.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-4.1/SybEC3.2) id AA06477; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:52:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:52:29 -0800 From: mateens@sybase.com (Mateen Siddiqui) Message-Id: <9511131752.AA06477@serii.sybase.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: MALEKNIA-NASERALISHAH ????? Cc: mateens@sybase.com, alicamp@j51.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: salaam alaykum, write to alicamp@j51.com. He used to be the representative of Pir Maleknia Naseralishah. Give him my regards, --taher mateen siddiqui > From tariqas-approval@world.std.com Sat Nov 11 19:52:58 1995 > Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:07 -0500 > To: Tariqas@world.std.com > Subject: MALEKNIA-NASERALISHAH ????? > X-Lines: 6 > > Does anyone know what has become of the Kanegah Maleknia Naseralishah which > was once in NYC ? Does anyone know of any other people from this tarikat in > the US or elsewhere ? Any help is most appreciated. > > Salaam wasaalatuHU > Z > From tariqas-approval Mon Nov 13 01:52:29 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26611; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:04:44 -0500 Received: from halon.sybase.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26490; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:04:24 -0500 Received: from sybase.sybase.com (nntp1.sybase.com) by halon.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybFW4.0) id AA13226; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:04:05 -0800 Received: from serii.sybase.com ([158.159.40.63]) by sybase.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.4) id AA20854; Mon, 13 Nov 95 10:04:21 PST Received: by serii.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-4.1/SybEC3.2) id AA06477; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:52:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:52:29 -0800 From: mateens@sybase.com (Mateen Siddiqui) Message-Id: <9511131752.AA06477@serii.sybase.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: MALEKNIA-NASERALISHAH ????? Cc: mateens@sybase.com, alicamp@j51.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: salaam alaykum, write to alicamp@j51.com. He used to be the representative of Pir Maleknia Naseralishah. Give him my regards, --taher mateen siddiqui > From tariqas-approval@world.std.com Sat Nov 11 19:52:58 1995 > Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 22:50:07 -0500 > To: Tariqas@world.std.com > Subject: MALEKNIA-NASERALISHAH ????? > X-Lines: 6 > > Does anyone know what has become of the Kanegah Maleknia Naseralishah which > was once in NYC ? Does anyone know of any other people from this tarikat in > the US or elsewhere ? Any help is most appreciated. > > Salaam wasaalatuHU > Z > From tariqas-approval Mon Nov 13 08:27:49 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA05136; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:28:03 -0500 Received: from everest.cclabs.missouri.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA05082; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:28:00 -0500 Received: from muphnx6 (muphnx6.phlab.missouri.edu [128.206.115.16]) by everest.cclabs.missouri.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA18746 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:27:51 -0600 (CST) From: Jawad Qureshi Message-Id: <199511132027.OAA18746@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> Received: by muphnx6 (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA00778; Mon, 13 Nov 95 14:27:49 -0600 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 14:27:49 -0600 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: [2] On tawassul (seeking means) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: <> Assalamo alaikum wa rahmat Allah, I have to say that I have come across people that have a problem with the publishers of the text. Waqf Ikhlas, I have been told, are notorious for mistranslating material. One Turkish brother (where Waqf Ikhlas is headquartered) told me that on a comparison of the Turkish Waqf Ikhlas books with Imam Rabbani's Maktubat (rahimahullah) he found MANY blatant mistranslations. Of course, I am simply passing of second hand knowledge, though I have heard close to ten brothers (all of whom are active Muslims form Turkey) tell me to not read those books because of many false facts. Wa Allahu 'alem. Assalamo alaikum wa rahmat Allah, Jawad. From tariqas-approval Mon Nov 13 04:29:03 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16822; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:41:07 -0500 Received: from halon.sybase.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16758; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:41:01 -0500 Received: from sybase.sybase.com (nntp1.sybase.com) by halon.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybFW4.0) id AA25638; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:40:41 -0800 Received: from serii.sybase.com ([158.159.40.63]) by sybase.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.4) id AA12536; Mon, 13 Nov 95 12:40:56 PST Received: by serii.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-4.1/SybEC3.2) id AA06576; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:29:03 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:29:03 -0800 From: mateens@sybase.com (Mateen Siddiqui) Message-Id: <9511132029.AA06576@serii.sybase.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: [2] On tawassul (seeking means) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: A Dear Jawad, wa alaykum salaam, The book is in Arabic, of which it is simply Ikhlas Waqf's reprinting, not a translation. Dr. Haddad did the translation himself. The Waqf has reprinted many original sourceworks in the original Arabic. --mateen siddiqui From tariqas-approval Mon Nov 13 19:20:16 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14350; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:20:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:20:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199511140020.AA14350@world.std.com> To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com From: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@world.std.com: Admin request Status: RO X-Status: >From ismail.sanchez@ciber.es Mon Nov 13 19:20:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: from goya.eunet.es by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14297; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:20:11 -0500 Received: (uucp@localhost) by goya.eunet.es (8.7.1/13.23) id BAA12210 for tariqas@world.std.com; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:09:47 +0100 (MET) Received: by ciber.es id 0HR9L003 Mon, 13 Nov 95 12:38:24 From: ismail.sanchez@ciber.es Message-Id: <9511131238.0HR9L00@ciber.es> Organization: CiberLinea BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.00 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 12:38:24 Subject: Help build mosque Gran To: tariqas@world.std.com HELP US BUILD THE MOSQUE OF GRANADA THIS WILL BE THE MOSQUE OF THE ISLAMIC CAPITAL OF EUROPE The Islamic Community in Spain Although this is the most importanat project for the historical future of Islam and the foremost event of Da'wa in our time, only the Government of Malaysia has offered to help. Unfortunately it seems the arab governments have other priorities, wars with each other and peace with Israel. The only way we can build this mosque, and it is the best way, is to make it Masjid Al-Mumimin. At this moment Islam is coming to Europe not only by the emigration of muslims fleeing from tragedy and poverty in their countries, but also by means of the extensive Da'wa we have been doing for quarter of a century. We already possess the land and the licence to constructe. The time has come. Now we must build. Every contribution will go towards the building of the Mosque and the running of the project. In Granada there is already a small Madinah Zaharah, where indigenous Spanish Muslims are constructing a small settlement in order to live together under the Shariah. During your visit to this Islamic capital do not be the servant of Kafir tourism but have the self-respect not only to look at the past but also to visist the future. Visist the site of the Mosque. Visist the Madinah Zaharah project. Every contribution is welcomed. The Mosque will be built by flus. Arab gold is in the Kakir Banks. We offer you three levels of help, according to your capacity: 1. A personal contribution. 2. That you pledge your Zakat towards the building of this Mosque over two years. 3. Any gift in equivalence of 1.000 dollars will result in the name of the donor being inscribed in arabic with the other donors in one exterior wall of the Mosque as a sign and a reminder to those who visit it that where the Governments of the Muslims failed in their duty to Allah and His Messanger, salla-llahu alayhi wa salem, the muslins, as throughout history, have honoured their contract. All this is in the Name of Allah, ar-Rahman ar-Rahim and the building of this Mosque is assured us by His Promise of success to the Muslims: Hayy alas-Salat, Hayy alal-Falah. Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar, La ilaha illa Allah PERSONAL DONATION Bankers Order (Hand over in your bank and send a copy to Islamic Community in Spain. C/Elvira 13, bajo 18010 GRANADA. SPAIN) Please pay from my account N&.:____________________________________________ the amount of: _______________________________________________________ to: ISLAMIC COMMUNITY IN SPAIN Acc. N&.: 0030-42 89-09-0000115271 BANCO ESPA%OL DE CREDITO C/ Husares 2. La Chana. 18015 Granada. Spain. Donors name: __________________________________________________________ Address: ______________________________________________________________ City: _________________________________ Country: ________________________ DATE: ________________________ SIGNATURE: __________________________ CONTRIBUTION TO THE WALL OF THE MUMINUN BANKERS ORDER Name of the Donor: ___________________________________________________ Name to be inscribed: __________________________________________________ Please pay from my account N&.: _________________________________________ the amount of: ________________________________________________________ transfer to: ISLAMIC COMMUNITY IN SPAIN - Pared Muminun Acc. N'.: 0004-3494-81-0600917380 BANCO DE ANDALUCIA C/ Reyes Cat"licos, 40. 18009 Granada. Spain. DATE: ______________________ SIGNATURE: ___________________________ For more information please contact with: Islamic Community in Spain C/ Elvira 13, bajo * Tel: 34-(9)58-22 07 60 * Fax: 34-(9) 58 22 13 68 18010 * GRANADA * SPAIN From tariqas-approval Tue Nov 14 05:25:07 1995 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22340; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:25:42 -0500 Received: from UNiX.asb.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22261; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:25:33 -0500 Received: from asb17 (sls7.asb.com [165.254.128.17]) by UNiX.asb.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02087; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:25:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:25:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199511141725.LAA02087@UNiX.asb.com> X-Sender: f_haddad@unix.asb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: f_haddad@unix.asb.com (Fouad Haddad) Subject: Re: [2] On tawassul (seeking means) Cc: msa@htm3.ee.queensu.ca X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas Status: RO X-Status: Jawad Qureshi writes: > ><al-Dimashqi (Translated with permission from the 1994 Waqf Ikhlas >reprint)>> > >Assalamo alaikum wa rahmat Allah, > > >I have to say that I have come across people that have a problem with >the publishers of the text. Waqf Ikhlas, I have been told, are >notorious for mistranslating material. One Turkish brother (where >Waqf Ikhlas is headquartered) told me that on a comparison of the >Turkish Waqf Ikhlas books with Imam Rabbani's Maktubat (rahimahullah) >he found MANY blatant mistranslations. Of course, I am simply >passing of second hand knowledge, though I have heard close to ten >brothers (all of whom are active Muslims form Turkey) tell me to not >read those books because of many false facts. > >Wa Allahu 'alem. > >Assalamo alaikum wa rahmat Allah, > >Jawad. > > wa alaykum as-salam, The above, as Br. Mateen has said on Tariqas, is my own translation and I would appreciate it if anyone knowledgeable in Arabic would point out any mistranslation and I promise that I will correct it after due consideration. I have received permission to translate these works from my teacher Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, who represents the Grandshaykh of the Naqshbandi tariqa, Mawlana al-Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani. May God bless them both and keep them. In these translations I try to achieve as literal a sense as possible, and to stay as close to the original as I can without writing impossible English. Many times I provide the Arabic words in parentheses in order to afford interested readers a ready comparison of key terms to the original text. I often provide more than one English word for an Arabic term that cannot fully be rendered otherwise. I add notes of relevance between square brackets, taken from the writings of other scholars on the same subject and the commentaries of my teacher. Waqf Ikhlas is not a translating house, although it has translated some books. The bulk of its publications (80%) are unedited offset reprints of Arabic editions of out-of-print classical texts. These texts represent a priceless collection of the best Sunni scholarship on Islamic doctrine, law, and tasawwuf (sufism), dating mostly from the last 150 years. The books are sold at a nominal price, since the cost of their reprinting and distribution is subsidized by a religious endowment (waqf). Arabic-speaking readers are lucky to have access to them and I have never heard of any complaint about the quality of the Arabic collection. It should be noted also that qualified Arabic-speaking teachers of the books on sufism by the intensely technical Shaykh Ahmad Farooqi Sirhindi al-Naqshbandi (Imam Rabbani) are few and rare. Regardless of the edition, it is considered blameworthy to read him -- or any non-vulgarized Arabic text in tasawwuf for that matter -- without a teacher. Fouad Haddad Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunnat wal-Jama`at From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Nov 14 06:45:57 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19585; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:47:10 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA04595; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:46:14 -0500 Received: from inet1.tek.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA04571; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:46:10 -0500 Received: by inet1.tek.com id ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:47:09 -0800 Received: from tektronix.tek.com(134.62.48.24) by inet1 via smap (V1.3) id sma031878; Tue Nov 14 14:47:04 1995 Received: from cascade.ENS.TEK.COM by tektronix.TEK.COM (4.1/8.2) id AA18142; Tue, 14 Nov 95 14:45:37 PST Received: from netman.ENS.TEK.COM by cascade.ENS.TEK.COM (5.0/8.1) id AA29680; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:48:19 -0800 Received: from localhost.TEK by netman.ENS.TEK.COM (4.1/8.0) id AA24013; Tue, 14 Nov 95 14:45:57 PST Message-Id: <9511142245.AA24013@netman.ENS.TEK.COM> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Cc: tariqas@world.std.COM, davidh@cascade.ENS.TEK.COM Subject: Re: Are any tariqas members online right now? 2:30 West Coast time In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:25:20 +0001." Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:45:57 PST From: David Hatcher Content-Length: 211 Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: I'm here. Assalamu alaikum to you Wajeha. We are having wonderful sunny weather down here in Portland. The only problem with it is that I'm cooped up indoors and can not be out side to enjoy it. David. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Nov 14 06:45:57 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21089; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:49:06 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA04602; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:46:15 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA04583; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:46:11 -0500 Received: from inet1.tek.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18729; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:46:10 -0500 Received: by inet1.tek.com id ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:47:09 -0800 Received: from tektronix.tek.com(134.62.48.24) by inet1 via smap (V1.3) id sma031879; Tue Nov 14 14:47:05 1995 Received: from cascade.ENS.TEK.COM by tektronix.TEK.COM (4.1/8.2) id AA18142; Tue, 14 Nov 95 14:45:37 PST Received: from netman.ENS.TEK.COM by cascade.ENS.TEK.COM (5.0/8.1) id AA29680; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:48:19 -0800 Received: from localhost.TEK by netman.ENS.TEK.COM (4.1/8.0) id AA24013; Tue, 14 Nov 95 14:45:57 PST Message-Id: <9511142245.AA24013@netman.ENS.TEK.COM> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Cc: tariqas@world.std.com, davidh@cascade.ENS.TEK.COM Subject: Re: Are any tariqas members online right now? 2:30 West Coast time In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:25:20 +0001." Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:45:57 PST From: David Hatcher Content-Length: 211 Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: I'm here. Assalamu alaikum to you Wajeha. We are having wonderful sunny weather down here in Portland. The only problem with it is that I'm cooped up indoors and can not be out side to enjoy it. David. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Nov 14 06:59:15 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02704; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:02:55 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA06267; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:00:37 -0500 Received: from diamond.sierra.net by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA06258; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:00:33 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (tol-d233.sierra.net) by diamond.sierra.net with SMTP id AA11122 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 15:00:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199511142300.AA11122@diamond.sierra.net> X-Sender: frank@sierra.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:59:15 -0800 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: frank@sierra.net (Tanzen Frank Gaude) Subject: Re: Are any tariqas members online right now? 2:30 West Coast time Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum. Hello, Beloved Ones of God! >I am sitting here with a dear friend of mine, sister Wajeha, introducing >her to the Internet. Insh'Allah, if you get this message, could you >respond and say hi? Alhamdulillah! A little Rumi for sister Wajeha, for you too! RUMI, "Fountain of Fire: A Celebration of Life and Love", translated from the original Persian by architect, artist and teacher, Nader Khalili: "one by one our friends filled with joy and quest begin to arrive "one by one our friends the worshipers of ecstacy begin to arrive "earth, air, fire, and water are obedient creatures; they are dead to you and me, but alive at God's presence." Peace, love, hamony, and beauty, in the coming seconds, coming eons, tanzen of tahoe california From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Nov 15 21:13:51 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14177; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:19:13 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA07567; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:17:01 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA07562; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:16:59 -0500 Received: from vx23.cc.monash.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12197; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:16:57 -0500 Received: from vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au by vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (PMDF V5.0-4 #8933) id <01HXO2V178F49AW83N@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> for tariqas@world.std.com; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:13:51 +1100 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:13:51 +1100 From: D A Rice Subject: "God" and the "Buddha mind" To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: <01HXO2V17OFM9AW83N@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> X-Vms-To: IN%"tariqas@world.std.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: A Is "God" in Sufism the same as the "Buddha mind" ? Fred Rice From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Nov 14 07:17:08 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14196; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:19:14 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA07681; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:18:08 -0500 Received: from relay4.UU.NET by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA07670; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:18:03 -0500 Received: from tymix.Tymnet.COM by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzpwn14401; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by tymix.Tymnet.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27310; Tue, 14 Nov 95 15:15:08 PST Received: from antares by tymix.Tymnet.COM (in.smtpd); 14 Nov 95 15:15:07 PST Received: from kirin.Tymnet.COM by antares.Tymnet.COM (8.6.5/UCB) id PAA10308; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 15:15:06 -0800 Received: by kirin.Tymnet.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01178; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 15:17:08 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 15:17:08 -0800 From: mmoore@antares.Tymnet.COM (Michael J. Moore) Message-Id: <9511142317.AA01178@kirin.Tymnet.COM> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Are any tariqas members online right now? 2:30 West Coast time X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > From tariqas-approval@europe.std.com Tue Nov 14 15:04:58 1995 > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:25:20 +0001 (EST) > From: Steve H Rose > Subject: Are any tariqas members online right now? 2:30 West Coast time > To: tariqas@world.std.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Sender: tariqas-approval@europe.std.com > > Assalamu alaikum. > > I am sitting here with a dear friend of mine, sister Wajeha, introducing > her to the Internet. Insh'Allah, if you get this message, could you > respond and say hi? > > Thanks, > > habib rose > And here is what your post looks like to me. Salam Alaykum From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Nov 14 08:06:26 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29669; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:10:34 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA14313; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:09:34 -0500 Received: from digital.netvoyage.net by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA14296; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:09:31 -0500 Received: from SHAMSI (culver_pm1_27.netvoyage.net [205.162.154.57]) by digital.netvoyage.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA09120 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:06:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:06:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199511150006.QAA09120@digital.netvoyage.net> X-Sender: shamsi@mail.netvoyage.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: shamsi@netvoyage.net (Shamsi Ahmad) Subject: Re: Are any tariqas members online right now? 2:30 West Coast time Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >Assalamu alaikum. > >Hello, Beloved Ones of God! > >>I am sitting here with a dear friend of mine, sister Wajeha, introducing >>her to the Internet. Insh'Allah, if you get this message, could you >>respond and say hi? > >Alhamdulillah! > Hello, I'm on and thought I'll send you my greetings. If you have Iphone then we can talk via voice. Shamsi From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Nov 14 14:30:20 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15041; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:30:20 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA16626; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:30:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:30:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199511150030.TAA16626@europe.std.com> To: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com From: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@facteur.std.com: Imbalanced parentheses or angle brackets Status: RO X-Status: >From habib@world.std.com Tue Nov 14 19:30:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from orange.printronix.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id TAA16617; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:30:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199511150030.TAA16617@europe.std.com> Received: from VMS MAIL by orange.printronix.com (NRC MAIL Version 1.3); 14-NOV-1995 16:30:27 Date: Tue, 14 NOV 95 16:29:41 From: "NOORDIN (M.I.S) - EXT >> 112" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: RE: Are any tariqas members online right now? 2:30 West Coast time X-VMS-To: ORANGE::IPMAIL%"tariqas@facteur.std.com" X-VMS-CC: NOORDIN hi ....and sorry for this belated hi...just turned on my computer. wassalam Noordin Singapore From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Nov 14 16:55:37 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08259; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:56:29 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA29765; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:55:57 -0500 Received: from Vir.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA29755; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:55:39 -0500 Received: from ipdyne18.vir.com [199.202.197.18] by Vir.com (8.7.1/v1.1) with SMTP id VAA18646 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:55:37 -0500 (est) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:55:37 -0500 (est) Message-Id: <199511150255.VAA18646@Vir.com> X-Sender: beewrite@vir.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: beewrite@vir.com (Barbara Dingwall) Subject: Re: Are any tariqas members online right now? 2:30 West Coast time Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >Assalamu alaikum. > >I am sitting here with a dear friend of mine, sister Wajeha, introducing >her to the Internet. Insh'Allah, if you get this message, could you >respond and say hi? > >Thanks, > >habib rose > > > HI... From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Nov 15 04:44:36 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20427; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:46:56 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id JAA18356; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:44:50 -0500 Received: from cornell.edu by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id JAA18347; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:44:48 -0500 Received: from orie.cornell.edu (PIVOT.ORIE.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.138.201]) by cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA19205 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:44:47 -0500 Received: by orie.cornell.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11107; Wed, 15 Nov 95 09:44:36 EST Date: Wed, 15 Nov 95 09:44:36 EST From: johara@orie.cornell.edu (Johara Shahabuddin) Message-Id: <9511151444.AA11107@orie.cornell.edu> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Are any tariqas members online right now? 2:30 West Coast time Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Hi sister Wajeha, And assalamu alaikum, and welcome to the internet! Johara From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Nov 15 14:31:58 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08396; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:33:04 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA22430; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:31:03 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA22419; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:31:00 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06497; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:30:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:30:58 +0001 (EST) From: Steve H Rose Subject: Winged Heart (fwd) To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum. Postings which contain the wordSUBSCRIBE automatically get bounced. Please change this word to join or something similar. Thanks habib rose host of tariqas Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:36:05 PST From: David Hatcher Content-Length: 110 Greetings Please, could someone tell me how to join Winged Heart? Thanks in advance David From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Nov 15 14:34:58 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12106; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:37:03 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA23158; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:34:06 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA23116; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:34:00 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA09139; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:33:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:33:58 +0001 (EST) From: Steve H Rose Subject: Assist build mosque Granada (fwd) To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: From: ismail.sanchez@ciber.es Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 12:38:24 HELP US BUILD THE MOSQUE OF GRANADA THIS WILL BE THE MOSQUE OF THE ISLAMIC CAPITAL OF EUROPE The Islamic Community in Spain Although this is the most importanat project for the historical future of Islam and the foremost event of Da'wa in our time, only the Government of Malaysia has offered to help. Unfortunately it seems the arab governments have other priorities, wars with each other and peace with Israel. The only way we can build this mosque, and it is the best way, is to make it Masjid Al-Mumimin. At this moment Islam is coming to Europe not only by the emigration of muslims fleeing from tragedy and poverty in their countries, but also by means of the extensive Da'wa we have been doing for quarter of a century. We already possess the land and the licence to constructe. The time has come. Now we must build. Every contribution will go towards the building of the Mosque and the running of the project. In Granada there is already a small Madinah Zaharah, where indigenous Spanish Muslims are constructing a small settlement in order to live together under the Shariah. During your visit to this Islamic capital do not be the servant of Kafir tourism but have the self-respect not only to look at the past but also to visist the future. Visist the site of the Mosque. Visist the Madinah Zaharah project. Every contribution is welcomed. The Mosque will be built by flus. Arab gold is in the Kakir Banks. We offer you three levels of help, according to your capacity: 1. A personal contribution. 2. That you pledge your Zakat towards the building of this Mosque over two years. 3. Any gift in equivalence of 1.000 dollars will result in the name of the donor being inscribed in arabic with the other donors in one exterior wall of the Mosque as a sign and a reminder to those who visit it that where the Governments of the Muslims failed in their duty to Allah and His Messanger, salla-llahu alayhi wa salem, the muslins, as throughout history, have honoured their contract. All this is in the Name of Allah, ar-Rahman ar-Rahim and the building of this Mosque is assured us by His Promise of success to the Muslims: Hayy alas-Salat, Hayy alal-Falah. Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar, La ilaha illa Allah PERSONAL DONATION Bankers Order (Hand over in your bank and send a copy to Islamic Community in Spain. C/Elvira 13, bajo 18010 GRANADA. SPAIN) Please pay from my account N&.:____________________________________________ the amount of: _______________________________________________________ to: ISLAMIC COMMUNITY IN SPAIN Acc. N&.: 0030-42 89-09-0000115271 BANCO ESPA%OL DE CREDITO C/ Husares 2. La Chana. 18015 Granada. Spain. Donors name: __________________________________________________________ Address: ______________________________________________________________ City: _________________________________ Country: ________________________ DATE: ________________________ SIGNATURE: __________________________ CONTRIBUTION TO THE WALL OF THE MUMINUN BANKERS ORDER Name of the Donor: ___________________________________________________ Name to be inscribed: __________________________________________________ Please pay from my account N&.: _________________________________________ the amount of: ________________________________________________________ transfer to: ISLAMIC COMMUNITY IN SPAIN - Pared Muminun Acc. N'.: 0004-3494-81-0600917380 BANCO DE ANDALUCIA C/ Reyes Cat"licos, 40. 18009 Granada. Spain. DATE: ______________________ SIGNATURE: ___________________________ For more information please contact with: Islamic Community in Spain C/ Elvira 13, bajo * Tel: 34-(9)58-22 07 60 * Fax: 34-(9) 58 22 13 68 18010 * GRANADA * SPAIN From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Nov 15 14:42:41 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18067; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:43:33 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA24949; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:41:45 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA24935; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:41:42 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16270; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:41:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:41:41 +0001 (EST) From: Steve H Rose Subject: Sufis in Kansas City (fwd) To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:46:23 -0600 (CST) From: Mark A. Foster Hi! Your list was just recommended to me as a good place to discover more about Sufism. I am especially in locating Sufis in the Kansas City area but am anxious to discuss Sufism in general. Tnx! Mark * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Mark A. Foster, Ph.D., Sociologist of Religion * *President (1995), Kansas Sociological Society * *Kansas Director, Foundation for the Science of Reality * *Founding President, Two-Year College Sociological Society * *Address: Department of Sociology, Johnson County Community College * * 12345 College Blvd., Overland Park, KS 66210-1299 U.S.A. * *Phones: 913/469-8500, ext.3376 (Office) and 913/768-4244 (Home) * *Fax: 913/469-4409 Science of Reality BBS: 913/768-1113 (8-N-1; 14.4 kbps) * *Email: mfoster@tyrell.net or mfoster@jccnet.johnco.cc.ks.us (Internet); * * 72642,3105 (Staff, Three CompuServe Religion Forums);UWMG94A (Prod.);* * Realityman (America Online Ethics and Religion Forum Remote Staff); * * RealityDude (MSN);Realityman19 (CNet);Realityman (Interchange) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ___ * UniQWK #2141* Structuralists Know the Lingo ;-) From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Nov 15 14:47:00 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21874; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:48:03 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA25759; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:46:04 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA25754; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:46:02 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20311; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:46:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:46:00 +0001 (EST) From: Steve H Rose Subject: Thanks from Habib (and Wajeha :-) To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum, dear friends. Insh'Allah, I will compile all your welcome messages for my friend Wajeha and mail them to her. Thanks greatly for your warm welcome -- there is no need to send further messages to her right now. Insh'Allah I will be working to get her online sometime in the next 6 months, and perhaps she will join tariqas at that time. Yours, habib rose From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Nov 15 07:45:22 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26599; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:54:03 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA26338; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:51:08 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id OAA26329; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:51:05 -0500 Received: from tyrell.net by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24344; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:51:02 -0500 Received: by tyrell.net id AA22594 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for tariqas@world.std.com); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:45:22 -0600 From: "Mark A. Foster" Message-Id: <199511151945.AA22594@tyrell.net> Subject: Sufi Groups To: tariqas@world.std.com Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:45:22 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1010 Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Folks, I just joined this list today and am looking forward to reading and receiving postings. Since I am telnetting into my home server from my office, I will make this post brief: I am looking for the Sufi group that is headed by Lex Hixon. Specifically, I would like to find a Kansas City branch. I know that there is one, but somehow I lost the person's phone number. :-( If anyone of you have either the general phone number for the organization or, better yet, know of the Kansas City group, please email me. Second, I am also looking for Sufi groups in general in the Kansas City area. I understand that there are some - but I have no idea of how to contact them. BTW, Kansas City is in the two-state area of Missouri and Kansas. Although I live in the Kansas suburbs of Kansas City, I am only 10 minutes from Missouri. So, contacts on either side of the state line would be welcomed. Thank you for your help, and I look forward to reading the postings. Mark Foster mfoster@tyrell.net From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Nov 15 11:31:43 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20829; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:34:53 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA09214; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:33:38 -0500 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA09209; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:33:35 -0500 From: Jinavamsa@aol.com Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzpzy00800; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA06597 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:31:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:31:43 -0500 Message-Id: <951115163130_23453781@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: "God" & "Buddha mind" & "Christ consciousness" Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 95-11-15 07:39:13 EST, you write: >Subj: "God" and the "Buddha mind" >Date: 95-11-15 07:39:13 EST >From: PHS179B@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (D A Rice) >Sender: tariqas-approval@europe.std.com >Reply-to: tariqas@europe.std.com good question: shall we expand it just a mite by adding "Christ consciousness" to the question, as a means of getter a more rounded understanding and appreciation of Sufi wisdom? Jinavamsa >To: tariqas@world.std.com >Is "God" in Sufism the same as the "Buddha mind" ? >Fred Rice From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Nov 16 04:19:00 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06835; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:58:12 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA26647; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:56:59 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA26642; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:56:58 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA05949; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:56:56 -0500 Received: from Hope.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tGAm7-0005WkC; Thu, 16 Nov 95 12:19 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 12:19 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: White Cells and Prayers Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: A Sometimes I just cannot stand the medical proffesion. Three or so years ago I was diagnosed having leukemia only to find out a month and a half later that I did not have a tear drop blood cell in my body. I started dating a Doctor recently and she as a friend thought that a check up would be appropriate. This morning Ishe got a call from the pathologist and apprently my white blood cell count is about 200% above normal. No diagnosis as of yet, but she claims it might be something chronic we are looking at. Well its off to a pathologist and back to the business of a marrow test. Tough situation I don't have any insurance. So some how or another if it is God's will we want me to come across with the next set of exams with flying colors, and if not that with an equisite degree of poinse. We all are only here a short time. Who can we be for each other; How can we lift each other's spirits; What is it that we can do to pick the flowers which each of us are and lift them toward the nurturace and love of our creator? Please put me on as many healing circles as possible. My Warmest Love. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Nov 16 00:48:50 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA07064; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:39:28 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA01012; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:37:38 -0500 Received: from relay4.UU.NET by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id SAA00999; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:37:35 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzqcx07073; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from lafn.org by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22959; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:49:01 -0500 Received: by lafn.org id AA22820 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for tariqas@world.std.com); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:48:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:48:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199511161648.AA22820@lafn.org> From: an525@lafn.org (Ivan Ickovits) To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: [an525@lafn.org: Re: Nafs/Metaphors] Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: I think this topic is of wide enough scope and relevance to be included herein. Raqib in Santa Monica Dear friends: Box of Soap for the soapdish: Re: Discussion regarding exactitude in the definition of mystical terms. The use of metaphors is the apppropriate vehicle for describng spirituality. There is no exact scientific meaning, but what we have is a rich guidebook of symbols, metaphors, teaching stories, vague and approximate measuring rods of expressing the scope from the infinitesimal to the infinite domain which co-exist in each of us (sometimes in precarious tension). It is the richness of the metaphor that allows it to encompass a large variety of human experience, and keeps us eternally tasting new wine from some very vintage bottles indeed. Ambiguity is at the cornerstone of the spiritual quest. If you knew exactly what an experience means, why would you continue to pursue it? It is because we do not know although we have some sense, and with this comes bewonderment and continuously probing into greater and greater mysteries. The metaphor and ambiguity of light is a wonderful example. To a physicist, one description of light is that it is a manifestation of the disturbance of the vaccuum state that is accomodating the distortion to the topography of the space time manifold due to the presence of electrical charges. At the same time to a mystic it can be the vehicle of a direct communion with the beloved. Which of these is more exact? At the same time, one does need a relatively conscensual reality frame and some minimum amount of consensual descriptive language to communicate. Also, when the metaphor gets in the way of the experience and limits ones ability to express it, it is time to find a greater realization and a better more appropriate metaphor. Oops this soapbox is getting awfully slippery, Love Raqib in Santa Monica > > >To think that a limited definition is the perenial >philosophy which encompasses all uses and concepts, would be to >innur to the basics of society and its language of >expression. It is one of the thinkings that attracts me to >Spirituality. The beings which I value are world thinkers, >universal worlds thinking, and mentioning them in the quietest >simple terms so as not to disturb those who can not >accomodate a greater scope. It is, in my measure and >experience a way to understand the spiritual stage of a person. >What does this person feel responsible for, how great is >his/her scope of thinking. Michael Gest > >On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Granola wrote: > >> Tanzen, >> >> Thank you for your posting on Nafs. The concept interests me, as I took >> Arabic last year and we learned that the word directly translates to >> "soul", with nothing to do with either ego or personality. This was >> Modern Standard Arabic, though, so I checked it out with a guy on my hall >> who is from Jordan, and he says that it directly translates to "self" or >> "same", still with no ego connotations. I notice that many words in the >> "Sufi vocabulary" take on different and slightly more eloquent meanings. >> So my question for anyone is: Is there really a direct translation in >> some dialect for these words, and if not, what effect do these embellished >> translations have on our understanding of these somewhat mystical >> and fundamental concepts? >> >> love to all >> >> Satya@ >> (No, I haven't disappeared quite yet...) >> >> > > -- q k -- q k From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Nov 16 16:04:47 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22168; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:06:48 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA16401; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:04:50 -0500 Received: from MAINE.maine.edu by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id VAA16396; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:04:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:04:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199511170204.VAA16396@europe.std.com> Received: from maine.maine.edu by MAINE.maine.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Thu, 16 Nov 95 21:03:26 EST X-Sender: mcpheran@maine.maine.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: mcpheran@maine.maine.edu (Mark McPherran) Subject: Re: White Cells and Prayers Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >We all are only here a short time. Who can we be for each other; >How can we lift each other's spirits; What is it that we can do to >pick the flowers which each of us are and lift them toward the nurturace >and love of our creator? > >Please put me on as many healing circles as possible. >My Warmest Love. Jabriel You're on mine. Take care...and may it all be another medical misassessment. Mark From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Nov 16 20:37:46 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA05786; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 01:38:30 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA11107; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 01:37:50 -0500 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id BAA11102; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 01:37:48 -0500 From: Hafizullah@aol.com Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzqfa13085; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 01:37:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA16067 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 01:37:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 01:37:46 -0500 Message-Id: <951117013744_24987382@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: "God" and the "Buddha mind" Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: "Buddha Mind" is more like "Allah Hu." Further from manifestation. "Buddha Nature is something like "Sifat" or "Ayat." That's as near as I can tell, from the time I spent with Sogyal Rimpoche. And there's a good deal of distortion in my equivalencies. But equivalencies do exist. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Nov 16 17:14:00 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27700; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 04:15:23 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id EAA20438; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 04:14:51 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id EAA20433; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 04:14:49 -0500 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Island.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27537; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 04:14:47 -0500 Received: from Piers.islandnet.com by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tGMsd-0005VcC; Fri, 17 Nov 95 01:14 PST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 01:14 PST X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: White Cells and Blessings Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Thank you for each of you. Today has been quite amazing. My friend who has a hugh practice spent most of her time discerning some conclusion regarding my blood tests. Thank God the diagnosis she came up with is that I have chronic leuckemia and it is benighn. What this simply means is that it is going to be important to keep an eye on the cell count every four or so months. The day was rich. At one time I felt the distinction between that unrelational center which flows with unconditional love and this thing called an ego which lives in sheer terror. Watching this ego cling to life with all its might was an amazing thing. How to release it from its bondage; from its attachment; how to let it know some peace which would just occur from letting go. First flash what about just letting this thing I call myself blink out. Don't do anything accept live with as much poise as I can to serve myself by serving others. The second: combat - but what course: alternative? traditional? Then a history of healing in one sweep. From Parecles, to Bruhos, off to Ajmer in my mind, scuttling across wet oily streets in London seeking some leach, thinking of the blood letting my father told me of when he was a child in the Middle East. And then praying for Grace. Full well knowing that death is only the victor of the flesh. Knowing that it took generations to develope a Pir, a Dali Lama, A Ghandi and that yet a new cuttiong edge for humanity would allow a Rabia to blossum for the Glory of all that which we call Divine. Cutting through time with deeds and words which affected children's children. And tonight the rendering of accounts. The responsibility of freedom and liberation is what we all seem to seek and yearn for in a landscape of love.Thank you for your prayers, thank you for your pristine nature, thank you for your sinnlessness and your lack of seperation. God Bless you all my friends. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Nov 19 06:28:59 1995 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04041; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:29:56 -0500 Received: by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA20904; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:29:14 -0500 Received: from tymix.Tymnet.COM by europe.std.com (8.6.12/Spike-8-1.0) id RAA20896; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:29:12 -0500 Received: by tymix.Tymnet.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25104; Sun, 19 Nov 95 14:29:01 PST Received: from antares by tymix.Tymnet.COM (in.smtpd); 19 Nov 95 14:29:00 PST Received: from localhost by antares.Tymnet.COM (8.6.5/UCB) id OAA03152; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:28:59 -0800 From: mmoore@antares.Tymnet.COM (Michael J. Moore) Message-Id: <199511192228.OAA03152@antares.Tymnet.COM> Subject: Maghribi font? To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:28:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199511181714.LAA01185@UNiX.asb.com> from "Fouad Haddad" at Nov 18, 95 11:14:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 142 Sender: tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: hello, On behalf of shaykh Balil I am asking for help in locating a Maghribi font that will work with kitabi text editor. Thanks, -Michael-