From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Apr 22 21:31:52 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02207; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:01:07 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA19430; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:25:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from moon.nbn.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA19393; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.4.64.23] (srf-23.nbn.com [199.4.64.23]) by moon.nbn.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16383 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:25:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: ias@mail.nbn.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Eudora 2.1 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:31:52 -0800 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: ias@ias.org (International Association of Sufism) Subject: Re: Contacting Dr. Carlos Warter Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >Assalaam Aleikum, > >Does anyone on Tariqas know how to get in contact with Dr Carlos Warters (he >was one of the presenters at the Sufism Symposium). I was told he was a >Sheikh that lives somewhere in New Mexico. I would appreciate any help. > >Thank you, > >Gary Please send us your mailing address we will forward it to Dr. Warter. International Association of Sufism From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Mon Apr 22 22:16:38 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27107; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:48:50 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id SAA28368; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:17:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id SAA28355; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:17:52 -0400 (EDT) From: ennea@net-gate.com Received: from ns1.net-gate.com (inetgw-cwi.cwi.net) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA07841; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:13:20 -0400 Received: from modem25.net-gate.com (modem25.net-gate.com [205.136.25.203]) by ns1.net-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA25031 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:16:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:16:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199604222216.SAA25031@ns1.net-gate.com> X-Sender: ennea@mail.net-gate.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: A few questions Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: In my studies in the Gurdjieff tradition, I was introduced to the idea of body types. Though Gurdjieff only mentioned 'types' a few times, students of Gurdjieff developed this theory and created a system of body types placed on the enneagram. I have also seen the idea mentioned in Christian esotericism. I was wondering if anyone here knows of any information regarding body types and the reason I ask is this: The woman that now is in my life is not of the body type that I have 'maximum attraction' to. I certainly know what the type is that I do have 'maximum attraction' to because I have met a few perfect examples in my life. For many years now, I have had dreams about a certain person of this type and I wonder if she is my perfect compliment as me dreams seem to imply this. I am not unhappy in my current relationship but the relationship lacks the intenseness of other relationships and I feel it is because of body types. Gurdjieff had stated that relationships depend on types and unless people are of the proper types, they will not mix well (or something to this effect... I could dig up exact quotes if anyone wishes). Also, in esoteric Christianity, it is stated that to have the most success in all endeavors in life, it is best to have the closest to your polar opposite in types as possible. Can anyone off info on these ideas? Two ideas I would like to add.... I am not looking for a relationship that yields only emotional and physical love, the Western 'falling in love.' I am seeking the most beneficial relationship for me and my partner, one where love is conscious and intentional with effort, but one that offers the most promising potential in a life mate. And also I am not trying to say that my girlfriend is 'fat' and I want a 'skinny' girl. Along with the physical traits of the body types, there are psychological traits and possibly traits on a level deeper than I can view. Complimentary types seem to help each other on many levels. The other question I have is really the one of the greatest importance to me at this time. I have come to realize that until I have a teacher that can direct me, it is not good for me to practice any exercises that strikes my fancy. But I feel that something must be done to help prepare me and bring me to the level of being where I am appropriate to be a student and to know how to learn. I read many books to try and help me prepare but then I feel that this is not a good thing. I see many exercises in these books but I feel that it is not good to practise them unless I am told to do so by someone that will know thier actual effect on me. What is the best thing for me to do until I find a teacher? Is there any exercises that are good for all people in preperation? And dikhr? With my hope for Love, Mark Fenkner From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 01:01:05 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12598; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:20:40 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id VAA16111; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:03:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id VAA16107; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03198; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:01:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:01:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve H Rose Subject: World Sacred Music Festival Homepage (fwd) To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum. I am forwarding an edited note about the World Sacred Music Festival. It sounds amazing! Yours, Habib ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 22 Apr 96 15:25:19 EDT From: Legacy International <70742.3363@CompuServe.COM> To: Habib Rose Subject: Festival homepage Our URL address is http://www.infi.net/~legacy/morocco.html. We invite you to link up to it and broadcast it to the network. Our deadline for registration, May 6, is fast approaching and spaces are filling up. Best regards, Ira Kaufman From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 01:39:16 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15047; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:15:06 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id VAA21369; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:44:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id VAA21363; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from eprice@localhost) by helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA08568; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:39:16 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:39:16 -0700 (MST) From: Ellen L Price To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <199604222216.SAA25031@ns1.net-gate.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Mark, In answer to your questions about relationships and "body types," I suggest you get ahold of a story about Mula Nasrudin about his search for the "perfect mate." In answer to your second question I suggest that you find a teacher. There are certainly many good ones around, and remember that when the pupil is ready the teacher will appear (and I imagine so will the perfect mate). Ellen On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 ennea@net-gate.com wrote: edit > The woman that now is in > my life is not of the body type that I have 'maximum attraction' to. > I certainly know what the type is that I do have 'maximum attraction' to > because I > have met a few perfect examples in my life. For many years now, I have had > dreams > about a certain person of this type and I wonder if she is my perfect > compliment as me dreams seem to imply this. I am not unhappy in my current > relationship but the relationship lacks the intenseness of other > relationships and I feel it is because of body types. Gurdjieff had stated > that relationships depend on types and unless people are of the proper > types, they will not mix well (or something to this effect... I could dig up > exact quotes if anyone wishes). Also, in esoteric Christianity, it is > stated that to have the most success in all endeavors in life, it is best to > have the closest to your polar opposite in types as possible. Can anyone > off info on these ideas? > edit> > > > The other question I have is really the one of the greatest importance to me > at this time. I have come to realize that until I have a teacher that can > direct me, it is not good for me to practice any exercises that strikes my > fancy. But I feel that something must be done to help prepare me and bring > me to the level of being where I am appropriate to be a student and to know > how to learn. I read many books to try and help me prepare but then I feel > that this is not a good thing. I see many exercises in these books but I > feel that it is not good to practise them unless I am told to do so by > someone that will know thier actual effect on me. What is the best thing > for me to do until I find a teacher? Is there any exercises that are good > for all people in preperation? And dikhr? > > > With my hope for Love, > > Mark Fenkner > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 01:38:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13916; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:01:13 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA00613; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:27:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from comm.amtsgi.bc.ca by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA00582; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from i18.islandnet.com by comm.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0uBX3m-000VvdC; Mon, 22 Apr 96 18:38 PDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 18:38 PDT X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Re: World Sacred Music Festival Homepage (fwd) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >Assalamu alaikum.>I am forwarding an edited note about the World Sacred Music Festival. It >sounds amazing!>Yours,>Habib Dear Habib thank you for your post. I have had the great pleasure of meeting Ira Kaufman and even becoming somewhat intimate regarding the World Sacred Music Festival. I would encourage anyone who wanted to have a conversation with a truly enlightened human being to call this brother. He is a man of incredible vision which he offers freely to his brothers and sisters. Anyone who has the where with all to go to Moroco with him and the entrage of Shiayks who will be voyaging with him is in for a blessing which words neither lend the strength to contain nor the power to reveal. There are those who meet a brother who is unostentatious, and quite, but who say I have been kissed silently throughout eternity and this is what I say about my friend and the adventure which he offers so lovingly. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 05:04:31 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19365; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:17:40 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA25247; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:05:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA25243; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.jaring.my by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12884; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:04:36 -0400 Received: (from maarof@localhost) by relay3.jaring.my (8.7.1/8.7.1) id NAA20925; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:04:31 +0800 (MYT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:04:31 +0800 (MYT) Message-Id: <199604230504.NAA20925@relay3.jaring.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Subject: re: A few questions To: tariqas@world.std.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Mark and friends in Tariqas, Yesterday I watched a tv program, a question and answer program about religion (Islam). One of the questions was about finding a pefect mate (between man and woman). The ustaz or the religious expert gave a very interesting answer. He said (if I remembered correctly): "Man/woman and all living things are given facility to love as part of God's grace on all His creatures. In man/woman and all living creatures , the basic form of love is associated with the sexual impulse." He also mentioned that love in that basic form, is an awareness of the nafs (self) and gave a few tips to find husband/wife. He suggested man and woman to lterally "look" (see the face) for their possible partner. In sufi leteratures, I found that Love is the facility to "see" God. How this is done, only God knows best. maarof@pc.jaring.my From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 02:16:03 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00605; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:14:48 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA28727; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:58:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from uxadbsrv.asiandevbank.org by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA28666; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.asiandevbank.org ([202.0.28.78]) by uxadbsrv.asiandevbank.org (4.1/050296.01-eef) id AA13764; Tue, 23 Apr 96 14:05:30 HKT Received: from cc:Mail by mail.asiandevbank.org id AA830293015; Tue, 23 Apr 96 13:55:10 MNL Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 13:55:10 MNL From: "Abbas B. Talib" Encoding: 33 Text Message-Id: <9603238302.AA830293015@mail.asiandevbank.org> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re[2]: A few questions Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: A Colleague of mine is interested in joining the discussion group. Could you put her name on the mailing list. Her name is Roslaini Rasuman. Her Internet mailing address is rrasuman@mail.asiandevbank.org. Best regards Abbas Talib. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: re: A few questions Author: tariqas@facteur.std.com at INTERNET Date: 23/4/96 1:23 PM Dear Mark and friends in Tariqas, Yesterday I watched a tv program, a question and answer program about religion (Islam). One of the questions was about finding a pefect mate (between man and woman). The ustaz or the religious expert gave a very interesting answer. He said (if I remembered correctly): "Man/woman and all living things are given facility to love as part of God's grace on all His creatures. In man/woman and all living creatures , the basic form of love is associated with the sexual impulse." He also mentioned that love in that basic form, is an awareness of the nafs (self) and gave a few tips to find husband/wife. He suggested man and woman to lterally "look" (see the face) for their possible partner. In sufi leteratures, I found that Love is the facility to "see" God. How this is done, only God knows best. maarof@pc.jaring.my From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 13:44:15 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27531; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:06:11 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id IAA19646; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:45:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id IAA19642; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:45:18 -0400 (EDT) From: GHADDAD@ccmail.sunysb.edu Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13897; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:44:19 -0400 Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <01I3VIDGUZR49I5ZNU@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for tariqas@world.std.com; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:44:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:44:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: A few questions To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: <01I3VIDGV4GY9I5ZNU@ccmail.sunysb.edu> X-Vms-To: in%"tariqas@world.std.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: State University of New York at Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY G. Fouad Haddad 23-Apr-1996 08:36am EDT FROM: GHADDAD TO: Remote Addressee ( _tariqas@world.std.com ) Subject: re: A few questions Thank you Maaroof for a fine post. At the end you wrote: >In sufi leteratures, I found that Love is the facility to "see" God. >How this is done, only God knows best. >maarof@pc.jaring.my This is done by looking at the Prophet, Peace be upon him, with the eyes of belief. The Prophet said: "Whoever sees me, has seen Haqq (Reality)." This is a sound narration related by Muslim. God knows best. And you see the Prophet when you look at the saints. Fouad Haddad ghaddad@ccmail.sunysb.edu From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 14:29:12 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13992; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:59:35 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id KAA07959; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:34:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id KAA07950; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from eprice@localhost) by helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA28409; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:29:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:29:12 -0700 (MST) From: Ellen L Price To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Mark, You might want to read Reshad Feild's books, "Breathing Alive," and "Here to Heal." They contain practices that would benefit anyone with doing any harm. Blessings on your journey, Ellen >edit > On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 ennea@net-gate.com wrote: > > > > > The other question I have is really the one of the greatest importance to me > > at this time. I have come to realize that until I have a teacher that can > > direct me, it is not good for me to practice any exercises that strikes my > > fancy. But I feel that something must be done to help prepare me and bring > > me to the level of being where I am appropriate to be a student and to know > > how to learn. I read many books to try and help me prepare but then I feel > > that this is not a good thing. I see many exercises in these books but I > > feel that it is not good to practise them unless I am told to do so by > > someone that will know thier actual effect on me. What is the best thing > > for me to do until I find a teacher? Is there any exercises that are good > > for all people in preperation? And dikhr? > > > > > > With my hope for Love, > > > > Mark Fenkner > > > > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 16:30:37 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08941; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:23:41 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA27394; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:34:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA27385; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.it.luc.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06219; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:30:43 -0400 Received: (from stourk@localhost) by orion.it.luc.edu (8.6.13/8.6.12) id LAA24241; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:30:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:30:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Sonia Tourk To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Friday Blessings Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Bism-Allahi ar-Rahmani ar-Rahim In the name of Allah, the Creator, Source, and Distributor of Mercy from pre-eternity to post-eternity **** Friday Blessings **** Adam was driving down Sheridan Rd. one clear Friday morning, thinking of how he hadn't been able to get through to his Shaykh lately. The wind blew from the East and he thought of it blowing from across the ocean, blowing from Egypt where he'd been this summer. He thought of it blowing over people starving in Cairo, of the two homeless boys he would pass who were dressed in rags so thin he could see their ribs sticking out, sleeping on the sidewalk in their torn clothes. He couldn't bear it except that, Insha'Allah (God willing), they'd get more in the next life for their suffering in this one. They'd be like kings in the akhira (other life) Insha'Allah. And he wondered about his state, and why had he never had to worry about having enough to eat? Why had he always had a place to sleep and plenty of clothes and more and more? What was his position to be in the next life, then? And his car payments. The insurance was due. Was this his suffering to bear him out in the next life? His neorosis; the continual worry about car payments and family and not getting sent to the collection agency? 2,000 miles away Adam's Shaykh pauses for a milli-second in his speech. No one notices the break and In the mirror Adam sees a glint on top of a white car two cars behind him. Crud, the cops. And as usual he's speeding. That's the last thing he needs now, a ticket, and he slows down. For a while he even dips below the speed limit in his nervous haste. Of course, he deserves whatever he gets - he was just thinking about suffering in this world, right? - but he really doesn't need a ticket now. As he looks back, half-expecting the flashing of the lights on top of the police car, he sees that the car is just a white American-made sedan with a bike rack on top. Woo, close. Alhamdulillah, Thank God it wasn't a police car. A couple blocks down the road from his car, 8-yr. old Mary is thinking of her upcoming softball game, swinging her bat. She and her parents are standing on the side of the road, waiting for a lull in the traffic to cross the street. Her parents are standing a few feet away on her right, wary of the swinging of her wooden stick. She pictures the softball coming in, "Whammo," the wood cracking against the ball, flying not over these cars, but over the baseball field. Her friend is there with her, wings fluttering in the breeze. Her friend is cheering for her, standing right next to Mary on the opposite side of her parents, her wings sometimes brush against her. When Mary's parents fight, Mary's friend enfolds her in those wings as Mary curls up on the stairs. The soft white wings encompass her, and she is OK in a sparkling world with a beautiful music. The world continues in her dreams as she drifts off to sleep on the stairs. She swings the bat and her friend flies away on the ark. "Wait!" She says. Silently, "Where are you going?!" Mary steps out onto the still-imagined baseball field, trying to follow her friend. Adam sees her at the last second and slams on the brakes, barely missing the little girl who has come out of nowhere. Oh my God, if he had been going any faster...He pulls over to the side of the road, and thinks, "All praise is due to the Lord of all the worlds." It is all he can think. It is all that he can know. It consumes him as he shakes and cries. She was so close! Alhamdulillahi Rubb ill alla-meen. Mary's friend swings back on the arc and whispers to her, "I'm sorry, I had to go for just a second." And Mary's parents realize they must always stand on the other side of her. She is too young, and they must always be close to her, even as she swings the bat. They can't leave her and they, too, are crying, "Thank God, Thank God." Any wisdom in this comes from Allah with the blessings of my Shaykh, Muhammad Hisham al-Kabbani, khalifa of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani. Any mistakes or confusion or inaccuracies are from me. Peace and blessings on the Seal of Prophets, Muhammad, his Noble Companions and his family. Your sister, Sonia From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 17:09:51 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03673; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:57:13 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id NAA04004; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:09:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from cwis.unomaha.edu by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id NAA03989; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cwis.unomaha.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA26851; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:09:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9604231709.AA26851@cwis.unomaha.edu> Subject: Re: A few questions To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:09:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Bennett Cc: rbennett@cwis.unomaha.edu (Richard Bennett) In-Reply-To: from "Ellen L Price" at Apr 22, 96 06:39:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: 786> > Dear Mark, > In answer to your questions about relationships and "body > types," I suggest you get ahold of a story about Mula Nasrudin about his > search for the "perfect mate." asalaam, dear Ellen: I'm curious as to how you became acquainted with stories about that character Mullah Nasrudinn?? He is well known among Afghans and Parsi speakers. I myself am interested in finding a book that narrates his stories. Do you know of any?? wasalaam, abdul ghani > In answer to your second question I suggest that you find a > teacher. There are certainly many good ones around, and remember that > when the pupil is ready the teacher will appear (and I imagine so will > the perfect mate). > Ellen > > On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 ennea@net-gate.com wrote: > > edit > > The woman that now is in > > my life is not of the body type that I have 'maximum attraction' to. > > I certainly know what the type is that I do have 'maximum attraction' to > > because I > > have met a few perfect examples in my life. For many years now, I have had > > dreams > > about a certain person of this type and I wonder if she is my perfect > > compliment as me dreams seem to imply this. I am not unhappy in my current > > relationship but the relationship lacks the intenseness of other > > relationships and I feel it is because of body types. Gurdjieff had stated > > that relationships depend on types and unless people are of the proper > > types, they will not mix well (or something to this effect... I could dig up > > exact quotes if anyone wishes). Also, in esoteric Christianity, it is > > stated that to have the most success in all endeavors in life, it is best to > > have the closest to your polar opposite in types as possible. Can anyone > > off info on these ideas? > > > edit> > > > > > > The other question I have is really the one of the greatest importance to me > > at this time. I have come to realize that until I have a teacher that can > > direct me, it is not good for me to practice any exercises that strikes my > > fancy. But I feel that something must be done to help prepare me and bring > > me to the level of being where I am appropriate to be a student and to know > > how to learn. I read many books to try and help me prepare but then I feel > > that this is not a good thing. I see many exercises in these books but I > > feel that it is not good to practise them unless I am told to do so by > > someone that will know thier actual effect on me. What is the best thing > > for me to do until I find a teacher? Is there any exercises that are good > > for all people in preperation? And dikhr? > > > > > > With my hope for Love, > > > > Mark Fenkner > > > > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 17:33:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23628; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:28:19 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id NAA09031; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:33:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from comm.amtsgi.bc.ca by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id NAA08985; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by comm.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0uBlxV-000VwnC; Tue, 23 Apr 96 10:33 PDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 10:33 PDT X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Re: A few questions Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: How do we look at the Prophet? It certainly does not begin with Martin Ling. Nor is it a matter of seeing his beard clippings in a museum. Even the letters he dictated are difficult. For the western mind as one begins to read the hadiths, at lest to this western mind things become all the more difficult. His prayer for light begins to lend some experience. The zier complete with his name as the Rasul is another step. And last but not least his names as exteded in The Beautiful names lends a taste. But none of the above is sufficient. Perfect nature is apparently what has been extended. A way to walk in footsteps is also existant. I have simply not found what that looks like. First because when reviewing the life of a historic personage my mind reveals that history is written from a point of view which is at best a political view point. There is a history which is more socialist oriented, and while I am not a socialist and do not understand in any scholastic manner what socialism lends this more proletariat type of perspective seems more honest. So what are we after. The light of Mohammed, the light of Isa, the light of Buhdda. Each of the Prohets lends a distinction to that light and thus there is a diffrent flavor that Abraham had from say Moses. This business of knowing Mohammed is perhaps as close as we can come to knowing sometjhing about Allah which is our goal. I am just saying that for a 20th Century American college educated mind this is a task which needs some thought regarding how one gives assistance to another. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 17:43:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28358; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:35:18 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id NAA11239; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:45:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from comm.amtsgi.bc.ca by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id NAA10986; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by comm.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0uBm84-000Vx0C; Tue, 23 Apr 96 10:43 PDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 10:43 PDT X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Re: A few questions Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: I don't know how one finds a teacher. I do know that one can find Allah. This is the sole object. The teacher is important but what is more important I believe is the ability to recognize the priveledge it is to be alive. This is the first meditation. It is one that starts with praise. How do I go into the world and in every breath from my heart say thank you. How do I accomedate and resist no evil? How do I enter in a world with a heart which is both accomedating and appreciative. Looking for a teacher is like looking for a lover. Not much chance is bars or in the personals. The lover is in you. The teacher is in you. You will attract what is in you. Could Rumi have been found by Shams if his book was lodged in his heart. Npp. Shams was lodged in his heart before Shams. Sometimes I think this business called I am looking for a teacher is as much of an ego trip as saying one does not need one. We are nothing. There is only Allah. Please understand when I am using the term you I mean me. If I took the time I would re-write it in the first person. I do not mean to be arrogant but even for the incideous nature of my arrogance I must accomedate it and I must thank God for this morning meditation and being able to share with my firends my idle thoughts about subjects of profound beauty. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 18:23:41 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01725; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:25:52 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id OAA18001; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:22:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from WIZARD.COLORADO.EDU by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id OAA17858; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.colorado.edu (granger.cusys.edu) by WIZARD.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF #12158) id <01I3VPYBA1HS8WWAPB@WIZARD.COLORADO.EDU>; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:21 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:23:41 -0600 From: Mike Granger Subject: Re: Friday Blessings To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960423182341.4fa79d6c@wizard.colorado.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sender: granger_m@wizard.colorado.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaykum, WR, WB. This story reminds me that Mawlana Shaykh= Nazim, may Allah always protect him, told his mureeds several years ago= that before they leave their house or whatever dwelling in the morning to= go to work, or are just going out period, they should first make sadaqa. = He suggested that they have a can set aside (I use a coffee can) and that= they put whatever spare change in it they might have, saying Bismillah= ar-Rahman ir-Rahim, with the intention that this is going to help someone= needy later on when it's cashed in. He said that this would help to= protect them from harm over the course of that day. He said that in this= day and age, you're not often in a position to just go outside and hand= someone some money, or give food to a hungry person, or find a good deed to= do, so this is the next best way. I always put in a few quarters before= taking off for work, or going out on weekends, and, who knows, maybe it's= saved me from troubles more than once. I try to keep my ego subdued when I= take the full can to the bank to deposit it, and when I write the check and= send it off to whereever; you know how that can feel (oh, aren't I so good,= helping out so-and-so!). Astaugfirullah. A.S. Granger At 11:30 AM 4/23/96 -0500, you wrote: > >Bism-Allahi ar-Rahmani ar-Rahim >In the name of Allah, the Creator, Source, and Distributor of Mercy from=20 >pre-eternity to post-eternity > > **** Friday Blessings **** > > Adam was driving down Sheridan Rd. one clear Friday morning, >thinking of how he hadn't been able to get through to his Shaykh lately.=20 >The wind blew from the East and he thought of it blowing from across the >ocean, blowing from Egypt where he'd been this summer. He thought of it >blowing over people starving in Cairo, of the two homeless boys he would >pass who were dressed in rags so thin he could see their ribs sticking >out, sleeping on the sidewalk in their torn clothes. He couldn't bear it >except that, Insha'Allah (God willing), they'd get more in the next life >for their suffering in this one. They'd be like kings in the akhira >(other life) Insha'Allah. And he wondered about his state, and why had he >never had to worry about having enough to eat? Why had he always had a >place to sleep and plenty of clothes and more and more? What was his >position to be in the next life, then?=20 > > And his car payments. The insurance was due. Was this his=20 >suffering to bear him out in the next life? His neorosis; the=20 >continual worry about car payments and family and not getting sent to=20 >the collection agency? > >2,000 miles away Adam's Shaykh pauses for a milli-second in his speech. >No one notices the break and > > In the mirror Adam sees a glint on top of a white car two cars behind=20 >him. Crud, the cops. And as usual he's speeding. That's the=20 >last thing he needs now, a ticket, and he slows down. For a while he=20 >even dips below the speed limit in his nervous haste. Of course, he=20 >deserves whatever he gets - he was just thinking about suffering in this=20 >world, right? - but he really doesn't need a ticket now. As he looks=20 >back, half-expecting the flashing of the lights on top of the police car,= =20 >he sees that the car is just a white American-made sedan with a bike rack= =20 >on top. Woo, close. Alhamdulillah, Thank God it wasn't a police car. > > A couple blocks down the road from his car, 8-yr. old Mary is >thinking of her upcoming softball game, swinging her bat. She and her >parents are standing on the side of the road, waiting for a lull in the >traffic to cross the street. Her parents are standing a few feet away on >her right, wary of the swinging of her wooden stick. She pictures the >softball coming in, "Whammo," the wood cracking against the ball, flying >not over these cars, but over the baseball field. Her friend is there >with her, wings fluttering in the breeze. Her friend is cheering for her, >standing right next to Mary on the opposite side of her parents, her wings >sometimes brush against her. > > When Mary's parents fight, Mary's friend enfolds her in those wings >as Mary curls up on the stairs. The soft white wings encompass her, and= she >is OK in a sparkling world with a beautiful music. The world continues=20 >in her dreams as she drifts off to sleep on the stairs. She swings the=20 >bat and her friend flies away on the ark. > "Wait!" She says. Silently, "Where are you going?!" Mary steps out=20 >onto the still-imagined baseball field, trying to follow her friend. > > Adam sees her at the last second and slams on the brakes, barely >missing the little girl who has come out of nowhere. Oh my God, if he had >been going any faster...He pulls over to the side of the road, and thinks, > "All praise is due to the Lord of all the worlds." It is all he=20 >can think. It is all that he can know. It consumes him as he shakes and=20 >cries. She was so close! Alhamdulillahi Rubb ill alla-meen. > > Mary's friend swings back on the arc and whispers to her, "I'm >sorry, I had to go for just a second." And Mary's parents realize they >must always stand on the other side of her. She is too young, and they >must always be close to her, even as she swings the bat. They can't leave >her and they, too, are crying, "Thank God, Thank God."=20 > > >Any wisdom in this comes from Allah with the blessings of my Shaykh, >Muhammad Hisham al-Kabbani, khalifa of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani.=20 >Any mistakes or confusion or inaccuracies are from me.=20 > >Peace and blessings on the Seal of Prophets, Muhammad, his Noble=20 >Companions and his family. > >Your sister, >Sonia > > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 19:16:12 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA11369; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:40:32 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA27518; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:12:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from argon.GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA27507; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from eprice@localhost) by argon.GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA10727; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:16:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:16:12 -0700 (MST) From: Ellen L Price To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <9604231709.AA26851@cwis.unomaha.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Richard, I've been acquainted with Mula Nasrudin for many years. Some storys I have heard recited and many I have read. Idris Shah has translated several volumns. The one that comes to mind immediately is "The Magic Monastery," but there are several others. Go in peace, Ellen On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Richard Bennett wrote: > > dear Ellen: > > I'm curious as to how you became acquainted with stories about that > character Mullah Nasrudinn?? He is well known among Afghans and Parsi > speakers. I myself am interested in finding a book that narrates his > stories. Do you know of any?? > > wasalaam, > > abdul ghani > > > edit> > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 19:20:22 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15528; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:47:49 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA28506; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:17:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from argon.GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA28380; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from eprice@localhost) by argon.GAS.UUG.Arizona.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA11013; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:20:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:20:22 -0700 (MST) From: Ellen L Price To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Thank you Jabriel for your wonderful message that is so straight to the point. Ellen On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Jabreil Hanafi wrote: > I don't know how one finds a teacher. I do know that one can find Allah. > This is the sole object. The teacher is important but what is more > important I believe is the ability to recognize the priveledge it is to be > alive. This is the first meditation. It is one that starts with praise. > How do I go into the world and in every breath from my heart say thank you. > How do I accomedate and resist no evil? How do I enter in a world with a > heart which is both accomedating and appreciative. Looking for a teacher is > like looking for a lover. Not much chance is bars or in the personals. The > lover is in you. The teacher is in you. You will attract what is in you. > Could Rumi have been found by Shams if his book was lodged in his heart. > Npp. Shams was lodged in his heart before Shams. > > Sometimes I think this business called I am looking for a teacher is as much > of an ego trip as saying one does not need one. We are nothing. There is > only Allah. Please understand when I am using the term you I mean me. If I > took the time I would re-write it in the first person. I do not mean to be > arrogant but even for the incideous nature of my arrogance I must accomedate > it and I must thank God for this morning meditation and being able to share > with my firends my idle thoughts about subjects of profound beauty. Jabriel > ----------------------------------------- > Jabriel Hanafi > Dynamics Unlimited > Suite 806 327 Maitland > Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 > Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 20:19:16 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28344; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:08:32 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA00291; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:23:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA00248; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:23:05 -0400 (EDT) From: GHADDAD@ccmail.sunysb.edu Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27114; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:19:20 -0400 Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <01I3VW67BSWW9I5XNY@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for tariqas@world.std.com; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:19:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:19:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: a few questions To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: <01I3VW67C1EA9I5XNY@ccmail.sunysb.edu> X-Vms-To: in%"tariqas@world.std.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: State University of New York at Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY G. Fouad Haddad 23-Apr-1996 03:14pm EDT FROM: GHADDAD TO: Remote Addressee ( _tariqas@world.std.com ) Subject: Re: a few questions How do we know the Prophet? This is the key of tasawwuf. But a preliminary step, to me at least, is to realize that the Prophet is the most meticulously and profusely documented of all the Prophets, and that Islam is the most historically-anchored religion that ever was. This, and the fact that the Prophet himself said: "Whoever strives to learn of my sayings, God will raise them with light in their faces" argues strongly in favor of at least finding out more about what the Prophet Muhammad said, how he lived, and how his contemporaries and their successors understood him. Fouad From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 19:30:56 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01820; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:14:10 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA02434; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:33:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from rara.ossi.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA02400; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leiber.ossi.com (leiber.ossi.com [192.240.5.68]) by rara.ossi.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA15992 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:33:07 -0700 Received: by leiber.ossi.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.12.736) id <01BB3110.BA09E8F0@leiber.ossi.com>; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:30:59 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nagaraju Pappu To: "'tariqas@europe.std.com'" Cc: "'tariqas@world.std.com'" Subject: RE: A few questions Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:30:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.12.736 Encoding: 29 TEXT Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > >>dear Ellen: > >>I'm curious as to how you became acquainted with stories about that >>character Mullah Nasrudinn?? He is well known among Afghans and Parsi >>speakers. I myself am interested in finding a book that narrates his >>stories. Do you know of any?? > >>wasalaam, > >>abdul ghani Idries Shah published a collection of Nasrudin stories in three volumes: Pleasenteries of Mulla Nasrudin Subtlities of Mulla Nasrudin Expolits of Mulla Nasrudin All three of these are published by Octagon Press. If you want, I can give you the ordering information. There is one chapter on Mulla Nasrudin in Shah's book "The sufis" hope this helps. nagaraj > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 19:30:56 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA07752; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:22:40 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA03331; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:37:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA03314; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rara.ossi.com (rara-8.ossi.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06461; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:33:08 -0400 Received: from leiber.ossi.com (leiber.ossi.com [192.240.5.68]) by rara.ossi.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA15995 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:33:07 -0700 Received: by leiber.ossi.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.12.736) id <01BB3110.BA09E8F0@leiber.ossi.com>; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:30:59 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nagaraju Pappu To: "'tariqas@europe.std.com'" Cc: "'tariqas@world.std.com'" Subject: RE: A few questions Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:30:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.12.736 Encoding: 29 TEXT Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > >>dear Ellen: > >>I'm curious as to how you became acquainted with stories about that >>character Mullah Nasrudinn?? He is well known among Afghans and Parsi >>speakers. I myself am interested in finding a book that narrates his >>stories. Do you know of any?? > >>wasalaam, > >>abdul ghani Idries Shah published a collection of Nasrudin stories in three volumes: Pleasenteries of Mulla Nasrudin Subtlities of Mulla Nasrudin Expolits of Mulla Nasrudin All three of these are published by Octagon Press. If you want, I can give you the ordering information. There is one chapter on Mulla Nasrudin in Shah's book "The sufis" hope this helps. nagaraj > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 19:36:30 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10474; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:26:14 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA03113; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:36:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA03098; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:36:23 -0400 (EDT) From: NurLuna@aol.com Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA17534 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:36:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:36:30 -0400 Message-Id: <960423153629_381135246@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: A few questions (long) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: As-salaam aleikum, Tariqas family! In a message dated 96-04-22, Brother Mark writes [in part]: >...The woman that now is in >my life is not of the body type that I have 'maximum attraction' to. >I certainly know what the type is that I do have 'maximum attraction' to >because I have met a few perfect examples in my life. For many years >now, I have had dreams about a certain person of this type and I wonder >if she is my perfect compliment as me dreams seem to imply this. I am >not unhappy in my current relationship but the relationship lacks the >intenseness of other relationships and I feel it is because of body types... I was in an intense, exclusive relationship for four years with a man who felt about me as I imagine you do about your "current" woman. We loved each other wildly, got along *great*, and were very happy. I was beautiful, he said, adorable, mysterious, exotic, intelligent, witty, charming, good and kind, everything he could ever want in a mate or in the mother of his children -- BUT! How could he commit to me, when right around the corner might be this other woman, the one who was exactly like me, but had the kind of body he wanted! Not a question of weight but of shape. I ended the relationship after finally "getting" that there was no future for us possible because of his agenda about my body. That was five years ago, and I am still dealing with having lived for that long with that much profound, petty rejection. What if I had had his perfect body type, we had gotten married, then I had become disfigured in some way? Lost a limb, become crippled, etc. It would only follow that he would then have to again go searching for that perfect bodied woman since I was now not that. How shallow of him. How pitiful. True, it says something about me that I chose to stay with him for that long, and the undoing of my own self-rejection has been very healing and in perfect Divine Order. But I am very clear that, Insha'llah, there is *no way* I would enter a relationship now with those kinds of guaranteed show-stoppers in place. Have you told her that you feel this way about her body? And that you feel this lack of intenseness? If not, you need to tell her clearly and directly, and give *her* the choice of staying in what is for her most likely a dead-end relationship. And I would ask you -- why are you in a relationship with someone that you feel this questionable about? Is it because of convenience? Fear of being alone? A need for companionship? If you really feel that this other body-type woman is your ideal mate, why would you *ever* choose to become close with a woman that you know will not live up to your ideal? This is not honorable or honest, nor are you being true to or honoring of yourself. In the case of my ex, I believe that his search for the perfect woman was his guarantee that he would never have to take his relationships seriously, never have to commit to someone, could always be superficial and surface in matters of the heart. In the years since we separated, I found out that he has changed his tune. He now tells potential partners that he did find the perfect mate (me!), but lost her, and now his life is over. How can he ever be happy again? Numerous woman have fallen for this line, certain that they can "heal" him and eventually win him over. Several have lasted a year or more; the smart ones check out after a few months. Also, I believe that our society has a heinous belief system in place, particularly among men although I've certainly known some women with huge cases of it -- your mate is the main reflection of your worth. That is, if your mate is of a certain body type, of a certain socioeconomic class, of a certain racial stock, of a certain income, education, and personality, dresses, looks, and acts a certain way, then you are *quite* a man! (or woman) Anything less and, well, something must be wrong with you. This belief is the one that tells us that if we work out, tighten our abs, build our pecs, get rid of our wrinkles, get the right color hair, replace our falling hair, get rid of unwanted hair, enlarge our breasts (or reduce our breasts!), have our breath and body smell right, dress right, spray, fluff, scrub, rinse, brush, buff, comb, color, trim, and groom right, we will ultimately, finally, be worthy of the attentions of Prince or Princess Charming. Phooey! I say. Madison Avenue madness. Marketing hype. The most major ego trip imaginable -- that love is about conditions. Just like our relationship with the Beloved, which all our relationships mirror in smaller ways, the more elaborate and specific our "checklist" of how it's supposed to be, what it's supposed to look like, taste like, smell like, feel like, the more certain we are to never, ever find it. Farrunnissa From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 20:10:40 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20571; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:39:24 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id QAA09555; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:11:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from cwis.unomaha.edu by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id QAA09500; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cwis.unomaha.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA25849; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:10:41 -0500 Message-Id: <9604232010.AA25849@cwis.unomaha.edu> Subject: Re: A few questions To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:10:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Bennett In-Reply-To: from "Ellen L Price" at Apr 23, 96 12:16:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: 786 asalaam dear Ellen: I'm sorry, i was referring to a fictional character named Mullah Nasrudin who is well known among the Aghans and Parsis in their folklore. If i can i will relate some of the stories that i have learned from an Afghan best friend of mine. But thank you for replying to me about your "Mullah". wasalaam, wasalaam> > Dear Richard, > I've been acquainted with Mula Nasrudin for many years. Some storys > I have heard recited and many I have read. Idris Shah has translated > several volumns. The one that comes to mind immediately is "The Magic > Monastery," but there are several others. > Go in peace, Ellen > > On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Richard Bennett wrote: > > > > dear Ellen: > > > > I'm curious as to how you became acquainted with stories about that > > character Mullah Nasrudinn?? He is well known among Afghans and Parsi > > speakers. I myself am interested in finding a book that narrates his > > stories. Do you know of any?? > > > > wasalaam, > > > > abdul ghani > > > > > edit> > > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 21:12:20 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01821; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:44:17 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA21181; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:12:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA21162; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:12:13 -0400 (EDT) From: JHulvey@aol.com Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA06746 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:12:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:12:20 -0400 Message-Id: <960423171219_520318176@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Cc: JHulvey@aol.com Subject: Re: A few questions (long) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 96-04-23 15:40:34 EDT, Farunissa writes: >Just like our relationship with the Beloved, which all our relationships >mirror in smaller ways, the more elaborate and specific our "checklist" of >how it's supposed to be, what it's supposed to look like, taste like, smell >like, feel like, the more certain we are to never, ever find it. Ahhh....well put. And very difficult to throw away either checklist once it's in your hand...... >The most major ego trip imaginable -- that love is about conditions. and conditioning..... Your metaphor jumped out at me as a good illustration of the action of the commanding self as a barrier to percieving the Real...focussed on the checklist instead of what's there to be seen. (sigh). Thanks, Farunissa! Julie From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Tue Apr 23 22:34:26 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12710; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:08:09 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id SAA05359; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:34:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from mhub0.tc.umn.edu by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id SAA05325; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by mhub0.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 23 Apr 96 17:34:28 -0500 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 23 Apr 96 17:34:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:34:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Erik S Ohlander To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Cc: tariqas@facteur.std.com, Richard Bennett Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <9604231709.AA26851@cwis.unomaha.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Idries Shah has published a large collection of Mullah Nair al-Din stories. Erik From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 00:43:27 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29413; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:44:40 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id TAA10856; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:01:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id TAA10840; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08851; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:59:18 -0400 Received: from [128.59.228.37] (phl508a012a.english.columbia.edu [128.59.228.37]) by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA02579 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:43:27 PDT From: Zaineb Subject: Re: women can't teach kindergarten? To: tariqas@world.std.com X-Sender: zi1@mailhub.cc.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: <9604161103.AA14855@mailserver.idg.fi.cnr.it> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullah. I don't quite know how to address the below and I even thought I would let it go, but something in me keeps making me come back to it. This is no way a defense of Wahabism or the Taalibani movement in Afghnistan. But I am disturbed by the notion that the follwers of these movements are "out of Islam." If there is such an implication here that they are therefore not Muslims, then I must raise objections and say that Allah Most High is the Judge, and besides the Prophet (SAAWS) said, "He who says 'there is deity but God (Allah)' is one of us." Now one could argue that their understanding of certain issues is wrong and the like, but please, let us not add to the fitna by adding fuel to the fire. If I have misunderstood, then please accept my apologies. With best wishes to all, Zaineb Istrabadi New York > > Saudi Arabia is under Whahabi Fitna so the Taalibani movement, Payed from > Saudi arabia and CIA. > > WAHABI IS OUT, OUT, OUT, OUT, OUT OF ISLAM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Any news and information from this font are dangerous more for western > people than for muslim, that kows wellthe Whabi Fitna. > > Load from internet the book "History of a British Spy" for knowing the real > aim and origin of Wahabiya. > > Site:Http//www.idsoline.com/userweb/ihlas/ > > SALAM WA BARAKA > > HAMZA NAJMUDDIN > > > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 00:00:21 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18493; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:24:57 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id TAA21763; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:59:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id TAA21742; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:59:42 -0400 (EDT) From: ennea@net-gate.com Received: from ns1.net-gate.com (inetgw-cwi.cwi.net) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA05733; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:57:01 -0400 Received: from modem1.net-gate.com (modem1.net-gate.com [205.136.25.251]) by ns1.net-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA06910 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:00:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:00:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199604240000.UAA06910@ns1.net-gate.com> X-Sender: ennea@mail.net-gate.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Body Types Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: It seems that there was some confusion in my post as to what I meant by 'body types.' I would like to include some quotes to help describe what I am referring to. Some quotes of Gurdjieff: 'Each of you has probably met in life people of one and the same type. Such people often even look like one another, and thier inner reactions to things are exactly the same. What one likes the other will like. What one does not like, the other will not like. You must remember such occasions because you can study the science of types only by meeting people. Everything else is imagination. You must understand that in the conditions in which you live you cannot meet more than six or seven types although there are in life a greater number of fundamental types. The rest are combinations of these fundamental types. (When asked how many there are) Some people say twelve. According to the legend, the twelve apostles represented the twelve types. Others say more.' 'What I speak of refers to the real type, that is to say, to essence. If people were to live in essence one type would always find the other type and wrong types would never come together. But people live in personality. Personality has its own interests and its own tastes which have nothing in common with the interests and the tastes of essence...... (then if personality chooses) the two essences have to live together. And they hate one another. No sort of acting can help here. In one way or another essence or type gains the upper hand and decides. In this case nothing can be done by reason or by calculation. Neither can so-called love help because, in the real meaning of the word, mechanical man cannot love - with him it loves or it does not love.' 'Conscious love evokes the same in response. Emotional love evokes the opposite. Physical love depends on type and polarity.' Ouspensky and others wrote much more on this topic in much greater detail. These ideas might seem unrelated to this group but since I feel Gurdjieff was a failed Sufi, his words can seem to be traced to Sufism. Does anyone know these ideas as they exist in Sufism? From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 00:01:03 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23871; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:35:38 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id UAA21912; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:00:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id UAA21905; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:00:24 -0400 (EDT) From: ennea@net-gate.com Received: from ns1.net-gate.com (inetgw-cwi.cwi.net) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06008; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:57:40 -0400 Received: from modem1.net-gate.com (modem1.net-gate.com [205.136.25.251]) by ns1.net-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA07053 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:01:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:01:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199604240001.UAA07053@ns1.net-gate.com> X-Sender: ennea@mail.net-gate.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: A few questions (long) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Thank you for your reply. >I was in an intense, exclusive relationship for four years with a man who >felt about me as I imagine you do about your "current" woman. We loved each >other wildly, got along *great*, and were very happy. I was beautiful, he >said, adorable, mysterious, exotic, intelligent, witty, charming, good and >kind, everything he could ever want in a mate or in the mother of his >children -- BUT! How could he commit to me, when right around the corner >might be this other woman, the one who was exactly like me, but had the kind >of body he wanted! Not a question of weight but of shape. No, this is not how I feel about my current 'mate.' If it were, there would hopefully not be a doubt in my mind, but I possibly think that there might and I will latter explain why. But first let me state that when I am speaking about body types, I am not emphasising the size or shape of my current woman's or my imagined perfect woman's body. Though the shape of the body is the most obvious trait of the body type, it is not what describes a person of a particular body type. There are many other important traits. When I am faced with a person of a certain body type, I have a definite reaction. When I meet a 'martial,' I very much dislike the person 'instinctually.' When I meet a 'solar,' I am very much attracted to them but I tend to sometimes feel jealous. And when I meet a person of the certain type that I feel is my opposite, I cannot help feeling a very strong physical love towards them. It does not matter if they are skinny or fat, if thier teeth are bad, if they smell, etc. I feel inside of me 'this is the person that I could spend the rest of my life with.' The type of love with my current partner is a practical love and concern for them. There is no romantic love at all. This is the comparison. >Have you told her that you feel this way about her body? And that you feel >this lack of intenseness? If not, you need to tell her clearly and directly, >and give *her* the choice of staying in what is for her most likely a >dead-end relationship. I have not told her these things because she has a poor self image and I feel that it is more important for me to build up her confidence than to tell that she is not the 'perfect body type' for me. She would clearly misunderstand and think that it is a commentary on her not being attractive which is not true. I cannot say that this relationship is necessarily a dead-end. I love this woman and I would work my hardest to make the relationship good. Consciously, I love this woman as much as I could anyone, but I am trying to fully understand the place of physical love, which seems to be based on types. > >And I would ask you -- why are you in a relationship with someone that you >feel this questionable about? Is it because of convenience? Fear of being >alone? A need for companionship? If you really feel that this other body-type >woman is your ideal mate, why would you *ever* choose to become close with a >woman that you know will not live up to your ideal? This is not honorable or >honest, nor are you being true to or honoring of yourself. I am in this relationship for all the reasons you mention above and more. I think that most of us are in relationships for these reasons. When we suceed in our aims, things would change. But I do love this person and I am trying to discover within myself if it is best to build conscious love on physical love, or if physical love is irrelevant. >In the case of my ex, I believe that his search for the perfect woman was his >guarantee that he would never have to take his relationships seriously, never >have to commit to someone, could always be superficial and surface in matters >of the heart. In the years since we separated, I found out that he has >changed his tune. He now tells potential partners that he did find the >perfect mate (me!), but lost her, and now his life is over. How can he ever >be happy again? Numerous woman have fallen for this line, certain that they >can "heal" him and eventually win him over. Several have lasted a year or >more; the smart ones check out after a few months. I think possibly to better understand your ex, and to certainly better understand me, a study of the #4 personality type is useful. It sounds like his way of dealing with relationships is that of a #4. > >Also, I believe that our society has a heinous belief system in place, >particularly among men although I've certainly known some women with huge >cases of it -- your mate is the main reflection of your worth. That is, if >your mate is of a certain body type, of a certain socioeconomic class, of a >certain racial stock, of a certain income, education, and personality, >dresses, looks, and acts a certain way, then you are *quite* a man! (or >woman) Anything less and, well, something must be wrong with you. > >This belief is the one that tells us that if we work out, tighten our abs, >build our pecs, get rid of our wrinkles, get the right color hair, replace >our falling hair, get rid of unwanted hair, enlarge our breasts (or reduce >our breasts!), have our breath and body smell right, dress right, spray, >fluff, scrub, rinse, brush, buff, comb, color, trim, and groom right, we will >ultimately, finally, be worthy of the attentions of Prince or Princess >Charming. > >Phooey! I say. Madison Avenue madness. Marketing hype. The most major ego >trip imaginable -- that love is about conditions. I agree with you entirely. This has nothing to do with what I am referring to though. Please do not take this as an insult, but I think that you might possibly be projecting your past relationship on me. From what I can understand, this is a different situation, but nly God knows best. Sincerely, Mark Fenkner From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 01:12:27 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04696; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:56:54 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id UAA25394; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:17:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id UAA25381; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:17:31 -0400 (EDT) From: GHADDAD@ccmail.sunysb.edu Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13146; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:12:34 -0400 Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <01I3W6EPGG9S9I5LP7@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for tariqas@world.std.com; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:12:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:12:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dhikr of the heart To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: <01I3W6EPGK1E9I5LP7@ccmail.sunysb.edu> X-Vms-To: in%"tariqas@world.std.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: State University of New York at Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY G. Fouad Haddad 23-Apr-1996 07:54pm EDT FROM: GHADDAD TO: Remote Addressee ( _soc-religion-islam@telerama.lm.com ) TO: Remote Addressee ( _tariqas@world.std.com ) TO: Remote Addressee ( _msa-ec@world.std.com ) Subject: Dhikr of the heart HADITH ON DHIKR [REMEMBRANCE/MENTION OF GOD] OF THE HEART --------------------------------------------------------- Ibn `Umar relates: I was sitting with the Prophet, God's Blessings be upon him, when Harmala ibn Zayd al-Ansari of the Banu Haritha tribe came to him. He sat in front of God's Messenger, Peace be upon him, and said: "O Messenger of God, belief is here" -- and he pointed to his tongue -- "and hypocrisy is here" -- and he pointed to his heart -- "and I don't make dhikr of Allah except little." God's Messenger remained silent. Harmala repreated his words, whereupon the Prophet seized Harmala's tongue by its extremity and said: "O God, give him a truthful tongue and a thankful heart, and grant him to love me and to love those who love me, and turn his affairs towards good." Harmala said: "O Messenger of God, I have two brothers who are hypocrites; I was with them just now. Shall I not point them out to you [so you will pray for them]?" The Prophet said: "Whoever comes to us in the way you have come, we shall ask forgiveness for them as we asked forgiveness for you; and whoever keeps to this path, God becomes his protector." al- hafiz Abu Nu`aym narrated it in "Hilyat al-awliya." Ibn Hajar said in "al-Isaba" (2:2 #1659): "Its chain of transmission is acceptable and Ibn Mindah also extracted it. We have narrated the same through Abu al-Darda' in the "Fawa'id" of Hisham ibn `Ammar." This hadith shows -- and God knows best -- that it is possible to make dhikr with the tongue and yet reject belief with the heart, which is the state of "hypocrisy" (nifaq); that the complete dhikr requires truthfulness (sidq) of the heart, and that it is a high state which even sincerity, unaided, cannot acquire; that the true dhikr must be done with what Shaykh Amin Kurdi calls "the tongue of the heart"; that the love of the Prophet and of those who (truly) love the Prophet is itself equated with that high state, and God said in a hadith qudsi: "I am not mentioned except you are mentioned with Me" [Qadi `Iyad related it in "al- Shifa"]; and finally, that the means for truthful remembrance of God is the Prophet and that one must come to him when one is sincere in his repentance, as God stated: "Had they, when they had wronged themselves, but come to you to ask forgiveness of God, and the Prophet had asked forgiveness for them, verily they would have found God oft-relenting, merciful" (4:64). Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 01:18:24 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27740; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:39:21 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id VAA05894; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:17:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from Surfa.SineWave.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id VAA05865; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gale (m-05.IP1.SineWave.com [206.13.48.37]) by Surfa.SineWave.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12064 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:17:12 -0700 Message-Id: <317D8160.687B@sinewave.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:18:24 -0700 From: Gale X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Dhikr of the heart References: <01I3W6EPGK1E9I5LP7@ccmail.sunysb.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Fouad: As-salaamu aleikum. Thank you for sharing the hadith of Abu Nu'aym re. the dhikr of the heart, and your comments -- it arrives at a blessed, timely moment as I am investigating the teachings of 'amla de-lebba or the "work of the heart" practiced among the mystics of the Syrian and Persian churches in the sixth century as a rudimentary precursor to 'ilm al-qulub and al-ru 'ya bi'l-qalb. My appreciation to you. Blessings to you, Nur Jemal Gale From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 01:53:23 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19931; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:13:19 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id VAA13821; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:53:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id VAA13809; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08260; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:53:26 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:53:23 +1000 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <9604232010.AA25849@cwis.unomaha.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Richard Bennett wrote: > dear Ellen: > > I'm sorry, i was referring to a fictional character named Mullah Nasrudin > who is well known among the Aghans and Parsis in their folklore. If i can > i will relate some of the stories that i have learned from an Afghan > best friend of mine. But thank you for replying to me about your "Mullah". > > Dear Richard, > > I've been acquainted with Mula Nasrudin for many years. Some storys > > I have heard recited and many I have read. Idris Shah has translated > > several volumns. The one that comes to mind immediately is "The Magic > > Monastery," but there are several others. > > Go in peace, Ellen Assalamu alaikum, You are both talking about the same thing... as others have mentioned already, Idries Shah has translated at least 3 books of Mulla Nasruddin stories. I have all 3 that I know of, they are great. :) How can I leave this without including an example? :) The Way of Foreigners Nasrudin climbed into an orchard and started to pick apricots. Suddenly, the gardener saw him. The Mulla instantly climbed a tree. "What are you doing here?" the gardener asked. "Singing. I am a nightingale." "All right, nightingale -- let me hear you sing." Nasrudin warbled a few inharmonious notes, so unlike a bird that the gardener laughed. "I have never heard that kind of nightingale before," he said. "You evidently have not travelled," said the Mulla. "I chose the song of a rare, exotic nightingale." (From "The Exploits of the Incomparable Mulla Nasrudin," by Idries Shah, p. 42.) Peace, Farid ud-Dien Rice From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 02:13:14 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA05567; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:40:23 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA17962; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:14:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA17910; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA27015; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:13:16 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:13:14 +1000 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: women can't teach kindergarten? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum, On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Zaineb wrote: > Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullah. I don't quite know how to address the > below and I even thought I would let it go, but something in me keeps > making me come back to it. This is no way a defense of Wahabism or the > Taalibani movement in Afghnistan. But I am disturbed by the notion that > the follwers of these movements are "out of Islam." If there is such an > implication here that they are therefore not Muslims, then I must raise > objections and say that Allah Most High is the Judge, and besides the > Prophet (SAAWS) said, "He who says 'there is deity but God (Allah)' is > one of us." Now one could argue that their understanding of certain > issues is wrong and the like, but please, let us not add to the fitna by > adding fuel to the fire. If I have misunderstood, then please accept my > apologies. > > With best wishes to all, > Zaineb Istrabadi > New York Zaineb, My feelings are similar to yours. There is a hadith which says in meaning, anyone who says someone else is not a Muslim, it is true about one of them. This means that if you say someone is not a Muslim, who in fact _is_, then you have yourself left the path of Islam. So it is much, much safer to completely avoid accusing other people of not being Muslims. In the light of this hadith (which, by the way, is in Muslim, one of the most authentic collections of hadiths) I find it shocking that among today's Muslims, people seem so ready to point fingers at people who disagree with them and accuse them of not being Muslims. This, in general, says much more about the accuser than it does about the accused. It is very hard to judge people correctly - not even Moses (peace be with him) could correctly judge Khidr, according to the Qur'an (18:60 onwards). If Moses could even get it wrong, then it would be very arrogant of me to think I could do it without ever making a mistake! So I try to avoid judging other people as much as I can. :) And, of course, Jesus (peace be with him) is reported to have said (in one of the Gospel accounts), "Judge not, and you shall not be judged" (something like that, from memory). Peace, Farid ud-Dien Rice From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 04:42:34 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16231; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 01:01:38 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA14798; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:42:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from mhub2.tc.umn.edu by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA14791; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 00:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by mhub2.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 23 Apr 96 23:42:35 -0500 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 23 Apr 96 23:42:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:42:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Erik S Ohlander To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Cc: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: women can't teach kindergarten? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: As-salamu 'alaykum- I could not leave this without saying something. Even though one may disagree with what some say about Islam, how they interpert God's shari'ah, and the like, one must remember that God says mny times in His Book "God is the best of Judges". I, as many, agree as to the awful fitna which is, may God protect us all, enveloping our brothers and sisters across God's earth. We must however, insha'allah, remember that it is our duty to remind the faithful what God has said in His Book - and not do anything which my contribute to the 'growth' of Shaytans among us. al-Hamdulillah Rabb al-'lamin. Blessings to all- Erik. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 05:19:16 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28942; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 01:40:55 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA18684; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 01:20:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA18670; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 01:20:44 -0400 (EDT) From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Received: from relay3.jaring.my by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20397; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 01:19:45 -0400 Received: from 161.142.239.248 (j10.brf41.jaring.my [161.142.239.248]) by relay3.jaring.my (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA01684 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:19:16 +0800 (MYT) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:19:16 +0800 (MYT) Message-Id: <199604240519.NAA01684@relay3.jaring.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A few questions To: tariqas@world.std.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Thank you Farid for posting THE STORY of the day. I had a good laugh at myself being an eastern foreigner in the garden of tariqas, and sometimes asked to sing and dance the the songs of the rare and excotic nightingales. :) Peace and blessings to all the nightingales out there >Farid wrote: >How can I leave this without including an example? :) > > > The Way of Foreigners > > Nasrudin climbed into an orchard and started to pick > apricots. Suddenly, the gardener saw him. The Mulla > instantly climbed a tree. > > "What are you doing here?" the gardener asked. > > "Singing. I am a nightingale." > > "All right, nightingale -- let me hear you sing." > > Nasrudin warbled a few inharmonious notes, so unlike a > bird that the gardener laughed. > > "I have never heard that kind of nightingale before," > he said. > > "You evidently have not travelled," said the Mulla. > "I chose the song of a rare, exotic nightingale." > >(From "The Exploits of the Incomparable Mulla Nasrudin," >by Idries Shah, p. 42.) > > >Peace, > >Farid ud-Dien Rice From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 12:49:26 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08481; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:08:19 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id IAA22604; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:49:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from weaver.weaver.guilford.k12.nc.us by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id IAA22586; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by weaver.weaver.guilford.k12.nc.us id IAA11034; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:49:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob King X-Sender: bking@weaver To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: re: a few questions In-Reply-To: <960423153629_381135246@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Good morning! The search for "perfect ones" is something not talked about enough in my opinion, so I thank Mark, Ellen, Farunnissa for venturing into this area of great pain, misunderstanding, cultural manipulation, and therefore potential learning! Regarding typologies (body typologies, personality typologies, etc.) in general, when are they helpful and in what ways? One typology I've found useful at times is Jung's theory of archetypes. Mainly I've found it useful in the sense that the "perfect ones" (the perfect male, the perfect female, etc.) are found within one's own psyche. Searching for one's perfect mate takes on a different cast in Jung's framework, in the sense that one's cast of perfect characters is explicitly located in oneself. Jung's further point is then that we need to love these characters in ourselves, and allow each to play a part in our psychic life. This in part keeps us healthy, keeps us able to see that other people also have their *own* casts of perfect characters, and with this knowledge we enter into relationships with others with deeper understanding of human complexity/reality. My point is that typologies are perhaps most useful when they encourage or allow us to see/feel that we project inward in addition to, or perhaps before, we project outwards onto others. In other words if a typology opens opportunities for surprise and for deeper relationships (which I think internal typologies do) then I'm inclined to call it good, if it closes opportunities for surprise and depth (which I'm inclined to think externally-directed typologies do) then I'm uncertain of its value. assalamu alaikum (which leads me to another question) -- Jung's archetypes might want to be at peace with each other, but then again they also may want to be in love or passionate conversation; are there acceptable phrases which respectfully convey the idea "may passion be with you" or "may love be with you?") Thanks! Bob King From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 13:23:53 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00737; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:42:13 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id JAA28308; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:24:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from lafn.org by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id JAA28295; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lafn.org id AA16419 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for tariqas@europe.std.com); Wed, 24 Apr 1996 06:23:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 06:23:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199604241323.AA16419@lafn.org> From: an525@lafn.org (Ivan Ickovits) To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Dhikr of the heart Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: DEar Nur JEmal: Any relationship to Ibn Paquda's Duties of the Heart? Raqib > >Dear Fouad: > >As-salaamu aleikum. > >Thank you for sharing the hadith of Abu Nu'aym re. the dhikr of the >heart, and your comments -- it arrives at a blessed, timely moment as I >am investigating the teachings of 'amla de-lebba or the "work of the >heart" practiced among the mystics of the Syrian and Persian churches in >the sixth century as a rudimentary precursor to 'ilm al-qulub and al-ru >'ya bi'l-qalb. My appreciation to you. > >Blessings to you, Nur Jemal Gale > > -- <<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>> From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 16:06:37 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29718; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:54:18 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id LAA18471; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:07:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from mail.crl.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id LAA18426; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [1.1.1.1] (crl13.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA03947 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:03:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199604241503.AA03947@mail.crl.com> X-Sender: gberlind@mail.crl.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:06:37 -0800 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: gberlind@crl.com (Gary Berlind) Subject: Re: Body Types Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >It seems that there was some confusion in my post as to what I meant by >'body types.' I would like to include some quotes to help describe what I >am referring to. > >Some quotes of Gurdjieff: > >'Each of you has probably met in life people of one and the same type. Such <<>> >know these ideas as they exist in Sufism? Dear Mark: This is, to me, a very interesting thread - and thanks for bringing it up. I hope the other members of the list will accept it, despite its perhaps tenuous connection to Sufism. (But maybe it's not such a tenuous connection at all.) The quotes from Gurdjieff you supplied, reminded me, in a sense, of some fascinating concepts I recently got from a book called "The Language Instinct" (author is Steven Pinker), and these concepts in large part had to do with the internal, hereditary, "wiring" of certain complex behavioral and mental traits within individuals, which could in some way be perhaps related to the issues of predeterminism, free will, etc. that many Sufi teachers and thinkers seem to have been involved with. It sure got me thinking along those lines. May the thread continue... Gary Abdul Matin Berlind Berkeley, CA From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 16:39:50 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29023; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:32:44 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA06491; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:41:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA06485; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:41:48 -0400 (EDT) From: NurLuna@aol.com Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24602; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:39:51 -0400 Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA25547 for tariqas@world.std.com; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:39:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:39:50 -0400 Message-Id: <960424123950_520981406@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: Long answers and body types Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: As-salaam aleikum, Brother Mark and all! In a message dated 96-04-23, you write: >Please do not take this as an insult, but I think that you might >possibly be projecting your past relationship on me. From what I can >understand, this is a different situation, but only God knows best. Indeed I certainly was extrapolating from my experience, and assuming it applied here. This is a subject for which I tend to haul out the soapbox. No doubt I should have put in a warning to that effect! ;-) >I cannot say that this relationship is necessarily a dead-end. Does that mean that you seriously are open to the possibility of committing to this woman as a life partner? If not, then in my opinion, it is dead-end as far as a primary relationship goes. Friendship would be more appropriate in such a case. >I have not told her these things because she has a poor self image and I >feel that it is more important for me to build up her confidence By withholding the truth of how you feel? As if such a thing were even possible. Do you tend to be in relationships where you are the caretaker for the other person's emotional well-being? If so, as a recovering Rescuer, I can tell you that this is a no-win situation. >I love this woman and I would work my hardest to make the >relationship good. Consciously, I love this woman as much as I could >anyone, but I am trying to fully understand the place of physical love, >which seems to be based on types. Which seems, in some systems and to some people, to be based on types. I appreciate Brother Bob's observation concerning the usefulness of typologies. There are so many of them that one can use -- astrology, Meyers-Briggs, etc. Where does listening to one's heart come in? I believe that we can strive to reach the place where we see all beings shining with perfect Divine Beauty and the Face of the Beloved reflected everywhere we look. By physical love, do you mean attraction, chemistry, body impulse? Studies have shown that this type of love lasts about 3 months to a year. The chemistry will powerfully resurface from time to time, and indeed never completely goes away, but in terms of being the primary "flavor" of relating, it is definitely short-term. In successful long-term relationships, what takes over from there and creates a lasting connection is commitment, respect, admiration, devotion, and the willingness and ability to work through, together, as equals, whatever obstacles and problems come up. Indeed it is only after the physical love, "the glow," fades that the work that you have to do together starts showing itself. And there, in my opinion, is where the greatest value of relationship can be found. In the stripping away of expectations and agendas, in the relinquishing of ego boundries, in the learning to see through another's eyes, in the search for and finding of peace and harmony in and through each conflict, is found some of the highest spiritual refinement possible. Unfortunately, the tendency in our society is to move on the the next "hit" of physical love, when the current one begins to run out. "Must not have been the 'real thing,'" we say, by way of justification. Or, alternately, to stay dried up, never really addressing the work to be done thereby missing the rich "juiciness" which is possible by doing so, drifting further and further apart toward inevitable alienation. Most of us are just very badly trained and poorly equipped to love well. Estaferallah. I wish for you and your companion grace and healing and beauty. Indeed I wish that for us all. Ishq aleikum! (is this good Arabic?) Farrunnissa From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Wed Apr 24 22:28:56 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25321; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:05:34 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id SAA29457; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:29:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id SAA29398; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA16536; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:28:56 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:28:56 +1000 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Dhikr by mentioning Allah's Name (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: [I just posted this on soc.religion.islam, but readers of this list might also be interested. :) This is written mainly as a partial response to the "anti-Sufi" people on soc.religion.islam. It is about "dhikr" (or "zikr"), which is "remembrance of God," often done by mentioning one of God's Names. Some people on soc.religion.islam have claimed that dhikr by saying God's Names is "un-Islamic" -- can you believe it? That is one of the signs of the times we live in.] Assalamu alaikum, Here is a hadith about dhikr... On the authority of Abu Hurayrah, who said that the Prophet (s.) said: Allah the Almighty says: I am as My servant thinks I am. I am with him when he makes mention of Me. If he makes mention of Me to himself, I make mention of him to Myself; and if he makes mention of Me in an assembly, I make mention of him in an assembly better than it. And if he draws near to Me a hand's span, I draw near to him an arm's length; and if he draws near to Me an arm's length, I draw near to him a fathom's length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed. It was related by al-Bukhari (also by Muslim, at-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah). (This translation is taken from the book "Forty Hadith Qudsi, selected and translated by Ezzeddin Ibrahim and Denys Johnson-Davies, in which it is hadith no. 15.) This hadith talks only of _mentioning_ Allah. If you mention Allah's name, Allah is with you. In the hadith, Allah says: I am with him when he makes mention of Me. If he make mention of Me to himself, I make mention of him to Myself; and if he makes mention of Me in an assembly, I make mention of him in an assembly better than it. This hadith supports that it is beneficial to make dhikrullah (remembrance of Allah) even by only mentioning Allah. A couple of verses of the Qur'an also mention explicitly mentioning Allah's _Name_: But keep in remembrance the Name of thy Lord and devote thyself to Him wholeheartedly. (73:8) And celebrate the Name of thy Lord morning and evening. (76:25) (From Yusuf Ali's translation.) Clearly, remembrance of Allah by remembrance of one of His Names contains many spiritual benefits. This is one of the methods of dhikr used in the Sufi turuq. Some Muslims (as you see on this newsgroup) deny that this is a valid way of making dhikr, but the Qur'an and the hadiths contradict their claims. The path of Tasawwuf (Sufism) has been supported by traditional Islamic scholars, until the modern "Salafi" and "Wahhabi" movements came along opposing the views of traditional scholars. According to the Prophet (s.), it is the early Muslims who were closest to Islam, not the Muslims of latter times. So, if we accept the Prophet's advice, we should follow the views of the scholars of early times, who all supported Tasawwuf, not the views of these later scholars who wish to rob Islam of a treasure they do not comprehend. A good article, giving the views of many traditional early scholars about dhikr, is available from the Naqshbandi-Haqqani web site, at http://www.best.com/~informe/mateen/ If you go to the page on "Islam", the article on dhikr is available there (including a number of other good articles on how Tasawwuf is the heart of Islam, with support from the Qur'an, hadiths, and traditional early scholars). Wassalam, Farid ud-Dien Rice From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 01:02:14 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03655; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:23:45 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id UAA13724; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:02:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from acad1.cc.uleth.ca by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id UAA13720; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:02:23 -0400 (EDT) From: pavlna@hg.uleth.ca Received: by hg.uleth.ca (MX V4.2 VAX) id 45; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:02:15 MST Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:02:14 MST To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Message-Id: <009A1590.A1B04A00.45@hg.uleth.ca> Subject: Re: women can't teach kindergarten? Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Fellow Humanists One of my favorites is "Allah (SWT) has no need to show mercy to those who are not merciful to His creations". Wouldn't the world be a much better place if we ALL remembered this? Haven't the extremists in Egypt who are calling for Muslims to strike against all American and Israeli interests heard of this one? Is murdering tourists, children, and women being merciful? PEACE to All, Sister Natalie From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 00:56:48 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25950; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:12:28 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id UAA20456; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:56:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from desiree.teleport.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id UAA20449; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from julie.teleport.com (bergner@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02318 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:56:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Bergner Received: (from bergner@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA24734 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604250056.RAA24734@julie.teleport.com> Subject: Mercy To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:56:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <009A1590.A1B04A00.45@hg.uleth.ca> from "pavlna@hg.uleth.ca" at Apr 24, 96 06:02:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > > Dear Fellow Humanists > One of my favorites is "Allah (SWT) has no need to show mercy to > those who are not merciful to His creations". Wouldn't the world be a > much better place if we ALL remembered this? Haven't the extremists in > Egypt who are calling for Muslims to strike against all American and > Israeli interests heard of this one? Is murdering tourists, children, > and women being merciful? > PEACE to All, And is cultural imperialism which would spread alcoholism, drug addiction, promiscuity, AIDS, teenage pregnancy, and many of the othe rproblems of Western society, in the name of "freedom" and "domocracy" merciful? Don't people in those countries hav ethe right o decide that they don't want these things? From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 02:17:09 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16155; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:35:41 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA02374; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:17:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from desiree.teleport.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA02352; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thnelson.teleport.com (ip-pdx21-57.teleport.com [206.163.125.57]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA13349 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604250217.TAA13349@desiree.teleport.com> X-Sender: thnelson@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: thnelson@teleport.com (The Thomas Nelson Family) Subject: Re: Mercy Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: A spiritual quest is best not burdened with political, cultural, or nationalistic baggage.>> >> Dear Fellow Humanists >> One of my favorites is "Allah (SWT) has no need to show mercy to >> those who are not merciful to His creations". Wouldn't the world be a >> much better place if we ALL remembered this? Haven't the extremists in >> Egypt who are calling for Muslims to strike against all American and >> Israeli interests heard of this one? Is murdering tourists, children, >> and women being merciful? >> PEACE to All, > >And is cultural imperialism which would spread alcoholism, drug addiction, >promiscuity, AIDS, teenage pregnancy, and many of the othe rproblems of >Western society, in the name of "freedom" and "domocracy" merciful? Don't >people in those countries hav ethe right o decide that they don't want >these things? > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 02:14:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21318; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:39:23 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA01696; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:14:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from pigtown.charm.net by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA01683; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tony.charm.net by pigtown.charm.net ; 24 APR 96 22:13:01 EDT From: tony@charm.net (Anthony Teelucksingh) To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Mercy Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:14:00 -0400 Organization: Rodgers Forge in Towson, Maryland Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <317edf12.53800106@smtp.charm.net> References: <199604250056.RAA24734@julie.teleport.com> In-Reply-To: <199604250056.RAA24734@julie.teleport.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:56:48 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >And is cultural imperialism which would spread alcoholism, drug addiction, >promiscuity, AIDS, teenage pregnancy, and many of the othe rproblems of >Western society, in the name of "freedom" and "domocracy" merciful? Don't >people in those countries hav ethe right o decide that they don't want >these things? Decide they do, but by killing innocent people? You can't equate this list of social evils with democracy and it is much too simplistic to blame these problems which also exist in non-western countries on the West. -- Tony Anthony Teelucksingh "Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk." -- Henry David Thoreau From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 02:30:41 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03105; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:59:03 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA05555; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:32:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA05549; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhub0.tc.umn.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14430; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:30:48 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by mhub0.tc.umn.edu; Wed, 24 Apr 96 21:30:42 -0500 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Wed, 24 Apr 96 21:30:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:30:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Erik S Ohlander To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: 'Eid al-'Adha Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: To all- As-Salamu 'Alaykum; In anticipation of the 'Eid so quickly approaching I am reminded of Mevlana's anticipation of Shams al-Din coming to him as the 'very 'Eid itself': said with a smile: go and bring the grace for my feast, ya (O' you) who have become my own sacrifice said I: whose sacrifice am I to be? and the Friend: mine, o' mine, mine! (Divan-i Shams-i Tabriz 1661/17410). To the Shaykh, Shams became the very 'Eid itself, and as the mu'min offers a sacrifice to God in memory of Ibrahim (s) and his son (s) Rumi himself finds that he is that very sacrifice in the face of Shams, 'Himself'. As the hopeful hajji on arafat hopes to please God Most High by offering a commemeration - we must also remember that this is a wonderful time to offer ourselves up to the Beloved in the same way that Rumi anticipated Shams' coming. The 'Eid will be here soon, and it is my hope that, insh'allah, we will all find a great blessing in its wonderous festivities. Blessings; Erik. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 02:39:06 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04000; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:00:37 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA06641; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:39:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA06629; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:39:04 -0400 (EDT) From: SheikhDin@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA16475 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:39:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:39:06 -0400 Message-Id: <960424223905_280029557@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Mercy Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Asalaamu Aleikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu! In a message dated 96-04-24 22:18:06 EDT thnelson@teleport.com (The Thomas Nelson Family) writes: << A spiritual quest is best not burdened with political, cultural, or nationalistic baggage. >> Where is there where Allah is not? What is a spiritual quest "best" burdened with? As regards the following: >> Dear Fellow Humanists >> One of my favorites is "Allah (SWT) has no need to show mercy to >> those who are not merciful to His creations". Wouldn't the world be a >> much better place if we ALL remembered this? Haven't the extremists in >> Egypt who are calling for Muslims to strike against all American and >> Israeli interests heard of this one? Is murdering tourists, children, >> and women being merciful? >> PEACE to All, >> >>And is cultural imperialism which would spread alcoholism, drug addiction, >>promiscuity, AIDS, teenage pregnancy, and many of the othe rproblems of >>Western society, in the name of "freedom" and "domocracy" merciful? Don't >>people in those countries hav ethe right o decide that they don't want >>these things? Maybe this is what Allah (swt) gives us to learn to "work it out," i.e., what is important, what do we choose, where are we going, what do we ultimately want. Consider the tremendous Grace of customized and personal "course work" lessons from Ar Rashid. What is it other than Mercy to be allowed the desire and to "remove the chain (burden)" that one has around one's neck, let alone guided in the process? Dare I say that we are lucky --- even with the above mentioned concerns. Is there something or anything for that matter that is not "spiritual." If there is, I would like to know about it, because that would suggest that whatever that "thing" is, it has more power that Allah . . . . the all-pervading, all-knowing, all-seeing, most merciful and most compassionate. What!? Wa Salaam, Din From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 03:04:08 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25164; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:24:53 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA11396; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:04:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA11364; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA32263; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:04:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:04:08 +1000 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <199604230504.NAA20925@relay3.jaring.my> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum, on finding a partner.... On Tue, 23 Apr 1996 maarof@pc.jaring.my wrote: > He also mentioned that love in that basic form, is an awareness of the nafs (self) > and gave a few tips to find husband/wife. He suggested man and woman to lterally > "look" (see the face) for their possible partner. A _looong_ time ago, I think I read a hadith (saying of the Prophet) which said that you should look into the eyes of a prospective partner.... has anyone else also read somthing like this? Peace, Farid ud-Dien Rice From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 04:41:59 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18241; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:54:53 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA29043; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:41:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from Surfa.SineWave.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA29039; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gale (m-05.IP1.SineWave.com [206.13.48.37]) by Surfa.SineWave.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA19844 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:41:11 -0700 Message-Id: <317F0297.3355@sinewave.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:41:59 -0700 From: Gale X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Mercy References: <199604250056.RAA24734@julie.teleport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Paul Bergner wrote: > > > And is cultural imperialism which would spread alcoholism, drug addiction, > promiscuity, AIDS, teenage pregnancy, and many of the othe rproblems of > Western society, in the name of "freedom" and "domocracy" merciful? Don't > people in those countries hav ethe right o decide that they don't want > these things? Peter, I would suggest you spend more time in third world countries and read your history books to perceive that such problems are ages old and not the inheritance of anything unique to east, west, north, or south. When I directed a social service project in a Muslim slum in India, all these things were rampant without any western advertizing, besides the selling of pre-teen daughters!!! And the most common response from the culprits was "It's always been done this way." May God guide you... Nur Jemal Gale From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 04:39:57 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18829; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:58:04 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA28820; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:39:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from cwis.unomaha.edu by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA28814; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cwis.unomaha.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04802; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:39:57 -0500 Message-Id: <9604250439.AA04802@cwis.unomaha.edu> Subject: Re: A few questions To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:39:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Bennett In-Reply-To: from "Dien Alfred Rice" at Apr 24, 96 11:53:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: 786 asalaam brother Farid: thank you so much for the clairification...i feared disparaging a shaikh if i presumed that my "mullah" was the same one that Ellen mentioned. thanks again. wasalaam, ghani > > > > On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Richard Bennett wrote: > > > dear Ellen: > > > > I'm sorry, i was referring to a fictional character named Mullah Nasrudin > > who is well known among the Aghans and Parsis in their folklore. If i can > > i will relate some of the stories that i have learned from an Afghan > > best friend of mine. But thank you for replying to me about your "Mullah". > > > > Dear Richard, > > > I've been acquainted with Mula Nasrudin for many years. Some storys > > > I have heard recited and many I have read. Idris Shah has translated > > > several volumns. The one that comes to mind immediately is "The Magic > > > Monastery," but there are several others. > > > Go in peace, Ellen > > Assalamu alaikum, > > You are both talking about the same thing... as others have mentioned > already, Idries Shah has translated at least 3 books of Mulla Nasruddin > stories. I have all 3 that I know of, they are great. :) > > How can I leave this without including an example? :) > > > The Way of Foreigners > > Nasrudin climbed into an orchard and started to pick > apricots. Suddenly, the gardener saw him. The Mulla > instantly climbed a tree. > > "What are you doing here?" the gardener asked. > > "Singing. I am a nightingale." > > "All right, nightingale -- let me hear you sing." > > Nasrudin warbled a few inharmonious notes, so unlike a > bird that the gardener laughed. > > "I have never heard that kind of nightingale before," > he said. > > "You evidently have not travelled," said the Mulla. > "I chose the song of a rare, exotic nightingale." > > (From "The Exploits of the Incomparable Mulla Nasrudin," > by Idries Shah, p. 42.) > > > Peace, > > Farid ud-Dien Rice > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 04:45:58 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19366; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:00:18 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA29812; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:45:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from cwis.unomaha.edu by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA29801; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cwis.unomaha.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05093; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:45:59 -0500 Message-Id: <9604250445.AA05093@cwis.unomaha.edu> Subject: Re: A few questions To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:45:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Bennett In-Reply-To: from "Nagaraju Pappu" at Apr 23, 96 12:30:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: 786 asalaam, dear brother Nagaraj: yes, now that i know from brother Farid that we are talking about the same person, i would like to know about ordering the books. wasalaam ghani> > > > > > >>dear Ellen: > > > >>I'm curious as to how you became acquainted with stories about that > >>character Mullah Nasrudinn?? He is well known among Afghans and Parsi > >>speakers. I myself am interested in finding a book that narrates his > >>stories. Do you know of any?? > > > >>wasalaam, > > > >>abdul ghani > > Idries Shah published a collection of Nasrudin stories in three volumes: > Pleasenteries of Mulla Nasrudin > Subtlities of Mulla Nasrudin > Expolits of Mulla Nasrudin > > All three of these are published by Octagon Press. If you want, I can give > you the ordering information. > > There is one chapter on Mulla Nasrudin in Shah's book "The sufis" > > hope this helps. > nagaraj > > > > > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 05:45:10 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04987; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:54:21 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA05502; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:45:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from desiree.teleport.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA05492; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kelly.teleport.com (bergner@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA28145 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:45:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Bergner Received: (from bergner@localhost) by kelly.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA28841 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604250545.WAA28841@kelly.teleport.com> Subject: Re: Mercy To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:45:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <317F0297.3355@sinewave.com> from "Gale" at Apr 24, 96 09:41:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > > Paul Bergner wrote: > > > > > > And is cultural imperialism which would spread alcoholism, drug addiction, > > promiscuity, AIDS, teenage pregnancy, and many of the othe rproblems of > > Western society, in the name of "freedom" and "domocracy" merciful? Don't > > people in those countries hav ethe right o decide that they don't want > > these things? > > Peter, I would suggest you spend more time in third world countries and > read your history books to perceive that such problems are ages old and > not the inheritance of anything unique to east, west, north, or south. > When I directed a social service project in a Muslim slum in India, all > these things were rampant without any western advertizing, besides the > selling of pre-teen daughters!!! And the most common response from the > culprits was "It's always been done this way." > > May God guide you... Nur Jemal Gale > That's a great response. Al Hamduli Llah From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 06:59:43 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18379; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:09:13 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id DAA11999; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:00:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id DAA11991; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panther.ferrum.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16770; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 02:59:39 -0400 Received: (from nfs4362@localhost) by panther.ferrum.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA27196; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 02:59:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 02:59:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Bier To: Spiramed Spiritual Implications for Medicine and Psychology , pendulum , MaDness , Gnosis , Tariqas Subject: a parable for our time Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Please feel free to distribute this parable, or its children. Its children are parables derived from it by inspiration, augmentation, modification, or explanation. HHjim a parable with saraH There was a Healthy group of people wHu had an encounter with the Elephant. One said I feel a palm tree .... and started climbing. Another said I feel the wind and was refreshed by the Elephant's ears. Another said I hear the rumbling of the Mother, and the Elephant's teats overflowed with milk. Another said I have found a vine and commenced to swinging. Another, ecstatic at the Elephant's kiss, just couldn't stop dancing. Another, standing back, found it all so funny that her giggles infected Everyone and the Elephant smiled. Rompamos los Bloqueos! From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 07:04:28 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18947; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:12:44 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id DAA12385; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:05:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id DAA12379; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Surfa.SineWave.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17554; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:04:02 -0400 Received: from gale (m-05.IP1.SineWave.com [206.13.48.37]) by Surfa.SineWave.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA20607 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:03:41 -0700 Message-Id: <317F23FC.B0C@sinewave.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:04:28 -0700 From: Gale X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re. Dhikr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Would anyone wish to offer a commentary on the following hadith for my edification. Hazrat Abu Hurairah narrated that the Holy Prophet said, "There is a pillar of Nur (light) in front of the Arsh (Throne). Whenever anyone recites La ilaha illallah, it vibrates. Allah asks it to stop. It prays how could it stop because the person reciting the Kalimah had not been forgiven until then. Allah, Almighty, thereupon declares His Forgiveness for that person and the pillar stops vibrating." Blessings to all... Nur Jemal From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 07:26:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23187; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:42:04 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id DAA13921; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:28:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id DAA13915; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from comm.amtsgi.bc.ca (comm.islandnet.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20732; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:26:53 -0400 Received: from Hornby.islandnet.com by comm.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0uCLRu-000VvsC; Thu, 25 Apr 96 00:26 PDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 00:26 PDT X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: Its in participating really! Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: My Dear Friends, Well I"m moving from Victoria and moving back to the United States. At this point it appears as though I will be moving around or about Madison, Wisconsin. Is sha Allah. I will be off the server for a good week and a half starting this Sunday. Even during this short period I will miss you. And I wanted to speak to what about you I will miss. Paritipating with a group of firends throughout the world, some who I know intimately, others who I am just beginning to meet to speak and share about the effulgence, the radiance, the path as we find ourselves sleeping in the same caves, living in the same dry wells, watching the same waters parting is and has been so equisite that there are hardly words. How immensily priveledged I have been, and each of you have allowed me to be. The honor of lending me your listening, the honor of allowing me to share in sometimes your so private feeling, to critique your intellectual meanderings, to blush at the intimacy of your love affair with Allah. There is a splender where it is you stand, there is love were you sit, you exist and by your generosity allow the room for another to exist, you share a format and deserve to be reflected back the magninimity of the deep gerosity which would emabess your ego but which your soul can well recieve. I speak to you collectively as well as each individually as I thank you for being you, as I thank you for the work you are doing in this world, while being from that. May Allah bless you; May Allah bless your families and may you be touched by gentleness, opulance, joy and always the rich job of serving an other. Your Loving Brother. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 07:46:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25349; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 04:00:14 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id DAA15188; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:46:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from comm.amtsgi.bc.ca by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id DAA15184; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 03:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hornby.islandnet.com by comm.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0uCLkr-000VtmC; Thu, 25 Apr 96 00:46 PDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 00:46 PDT X-Sender: dynamics@islandnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: dynamics@islandnet.com (Jabreil Hanafi) Subject: re: Mercy and May God Guide us All! Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: May we surrender the slurs and cattiness regarding the atrocities of humanity as we attempt to blame twentieth century Islamic Cultures, Missionaries from Europe ad in finitum. How foolish this bickering has us reveal ourselves to be. What does it matter if a person is killed in the name of Yahwa, Allah or Christ? What does it matter if a mother takes her female off spring and sends it to death before it can walk regardless whether she is from the culture of Sparticus, Egypt, China? What does it matter if a Russian, European, American, Arab, or Isreali we set off that all fearful nuclear device. It has nothing to do with anything! Think again what the word TARIQA means. Give up the tyranny for once of attempting to be right! Let us empty the vessel altogether. Let us leave a place in our hearts to be with one another with kind words, kind thoughts. It must be obvious that the intellect displayed on this server is not what we have to offer. Although the averidge player probably has a masters there are no earth shattering thoughts and exchanges which are occuring here. It is our hearts we might share rather than our minds which have with by media have been turned to something as unconscoius as stones. Astarifullah. May Allah forgive me. May we each learn what it means to be a wet unpeeled and ripe mango in each others mouths. Jabriel ----------------------------------------- Jabriel Hanafi Dynamics Unlimited Suite 806 327 Maitland Victoria B.C. V9A 7G7 Voice (604) 384 6629 Fax (604) 380 9909 From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 15:53:13 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20434; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:26:31 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id LAA02312; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:53:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from weaver.weaver.guilford.k12.nc.us by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id LAA02278; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by weaver.weaver.guilford.k12.nc.us id LAA19967; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:53:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob King X-Sender: bking@weaver To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: re: Mercy and May God Guide us All! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Jabreil Hanafi wrote: > It must be obvious that the intellect displayed on this server is not what > we have to offer. Although the averidge player probably has a masters there > are no earth shattering thoughts and exchanges which are occuring here. It > is our hearts we might share rather than our minds which have with by media > have been turned to something as unconscoius as stones. Astarifullah. May > Allah forgive me. May we each learn what it means to be a wet unpeeled and > ripe mango in each others mouths. Jabreil, thank you for your intensely beautiful and insightful messages. I teach an education course at a college, and what you describe above summarizes what I've been talking with students about for the past 2 months. Your message was posted last night, this morning I met with the class for the last time, we had breakfast together, I shared with them your message, we had no mangoes but we did have wet kiwi fruit! I always wonder how to end a class, what to say that I haven't already said. It was so wonderful for me to share your words during breakfast, which so wonderfully, succinctly and beautifully conveyed what we had been thinking and talking about for the past several weeks . . . Thank you and the rest of the Tariquas list for being! In the spirit of deep gratitude and wonder. . . Bob King From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 17:41:16 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21210; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:28:24 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id LAA01693; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:49:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id LAA01680; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28089; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:46:31 -0400 Received: from [128.59.228.37] (phl508a012a.english.columbia.edu [128.59.228.37]) by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08016 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:41:16 PDT From: Zaineb Subject: Re: Mercy To: tariqas@world.std.com X-Sender: zi1@mailhub.cc.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: <199604250056.RAA24734@julie.teleport.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaykum. I'd like to take this opportunity to denounce (yet again) all violence committed in the name of religion whether Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, or any other religion. And there are "men of religion" of all religions who are advocating violence as a means to various goals, and I believe we must speak out in protest against them. All of them. With best wishes to all, Zaineb Istrabadi New York On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Paul Bergner wrote: > > > > Dear Fellow Humanists > > One of my favorites is "Allah (SWT) has no need to show mercy to > > those who are not merciful to His creations". Wouldn't the world be a > > much better place if we ALL remembered this? Haven't the extremists in > > Egypt who are calling for Muslims to strike against all American and > > Israeli interests heard of this one? Is murdering tourists, children, > > and women being merciful? > > PEACE to All, > > And is cultural imperialism which would spread alcoholism, drug addiction, > promiscuity, AIDS, teenage pregnancy, and many of the othe rproblems of > Western society, in the name of "freedom" and "domocracy" merciful? Don't > people in those countries hav ethe right o decide that they don't want > these things? > > > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 16:00:43 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04953; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:52:48 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA07830; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:06:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA07820; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from homer24.u.washington.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06326; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:00:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by homer24.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA105374; Thu, 25 Apr 96 09:00:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Lilyan Ila To: tariqasnet Subject: virus warning (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:13:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Rita Altamore To: Health Services List Subject: virus warning (fwd) >---------- Forwarded Message ---------- >From: Murray R. Falk, INTERNET:falkm@cadvision.com >DATE: 4/22/96 9:51 AM >For your information ... > > DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE > EXTENSION!!! WARNING!!!!! Read the following and take note for those > of you who access the web and ftp sites. . . BE WARE!!! Notify your > friends and family and total strangers too!!! We don't want to deal > with anything like this what-so-ever!!! > > We work closely with the military and received this message from a > very reliable source in DC this morning. A NEW Trojan Horse Virus > has emerged on the internet with the name PKZIP300.ZIP, so named as > to give the impression that this file is a new version of the PKZIP > software used to "ZIP" (compress) files. DO NOT DOWNLOAD this file > under any circumstances!!! If you install or expand this file, the > virus WILL wipe your hard disk clean and affect modems at 14.4 and > higher. > > This is an extremely destructive virus and there is NOT yet a way of > cleaning up this one. > REPEAT: DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE > EXTENSION!!! > >=============================================================== > According to several reliable sources there is a deadly virus on > the Internet. This is NOT a hoax! > > WHAT: > Virus Alert: PKZIP 3.0 Trojan Loose on the Internet > > BACKGROUND: > A trojan (virus) program, PKZIP 3.0, which is advertised as an > updated version of the popular compression utility PKZIP, is > currently being distributed on the Internet. Please note that this > trojan is REAL and DESTRUCTIVE. Once executed, this program will > destroy data on your hard drive; there's no stopping it. > > According to PKWARE, makers of PKZIP, the only released versions > of PKZIP are: 1.10, 1.93, 2.04c, 2.04e and 2.04g. All other > versions currently circulating on the Internet are suspect and > should not be used. > > ACTION REQUIRED: > Please do not download or execute any files that are named > PKZ300B.EXE, PKZ300B.ZIP, PKZIP300.ZIP, PKZIP300.EXE, etc. from > the Internet or other external source. > > FIX: > We are not aware of a fix as of this date (short of > reconstructing the drive). ============================================================== Confirmation from CDC: From: Jackson, Joe To: ALL-CEHDEH1/ATL Subject: PKZIP3 virus Date: Thursday, April 25, 1996 10:39AM This one has surfaced before but I've had enough users forward notes to me so I'll send it out to everyone again. Don't download PKZIP ver 3. There is no version 3. It is a Trojan horse virus. ============================================================== From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 20:32:08 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12885; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:11:10 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id QAA26245; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:32:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id QAA26226; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:32:01 -0400 (EDT) From: NurLuna@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA24999 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:32:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:32:08 -0400 Message-Id: <960425163207_382697554@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Mercy Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 96-04-25, Sister Zaineb writes: >Assalamu alaykum. I'd like to take this opportunity to denounce (yet again) >all violence committed in the name of religion whether Judaism, >Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, or any other religion. And there are "men >of religion" of all religions who are advocating violence as a means to >various goals, and I believe we must speak out in protest against them. >All of them. > >With best wishes to all, >Zaineb Istrabadi Waleikum as-salaam, Zaineb. Thank you for this! And so we don't fall into the trap of female chauvinism, let's not forget that it's women who still, now, as we speak, genitally mutilate little girls in the name of religion. Violencism knows no boundries -- gender, religious, racial, national, or otherwise. Like all mindless -isms, it is often so ingrained in us as to never be questioned. Estaferallah. Let my voice be added to those speaking out! All good protest clearly and effectively communicates: "_Look_ at what you're doing!" Seeing it is the first step in being able to question it. And it is the questioning which will ultimately result in finding a better way. Long live the revolution! Farrunnissa From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 20:29:46 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15056; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:14:01 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id QAA25855; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:30:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from relay3.jaring.my by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id QAA25782; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:29:49 -0400 (EDT) From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Received: from 161.142.239.137 (j11.brf48.jaring.my [161.142.239.137]) by relay3.jaring.my (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA22991 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:29:46 +0800 (MYT) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:29:46 +0800 (MYT) Message-Id: <199604252029.EAA22991@relay3.jaring.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re. Dhikr To: tariqas@facteur.std.com In-Reply-To: <317F23FC.B0C@sinewave.com> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Nur on Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:04:28 wrote: Would anyone wish to offer a commentary on the following hadith for my edification. Hazrat Abu Hurairah narrated that the Holy Prophet said, "There is a pillar of Nur (light) in front of the Arsh (Throne). Whenever anyone recites La ilaha illallah, it vibrates. Allah asks it to stop. It prays how could it stop because the person reciting the Kalimah had not been forgiven until then. Allah, Almighty, thereupon declares His Forgiveness for that person and the pillar stops vibrating." Blessings to all... Nur Jemal ------------------------------------------------------------------------ As I ponder on the hadith, the light went out.Suddenly, it was a new world, a new experience. Without light, one lost one's bearing. A slimmer of night light outside, thru the window, wasn't enough for me to get aroungh. I have to used my memory to move about the room, but... I have the hadith and it is in Malay translation. The meanings are quite similar to the English translation above. I hope someone in this group will explain the words used the original Arabic. The Hadith doesn't make sense to me, and my heart trembled because because these are the words of the Prophet. La ilaha illallah. I still sense that 'pillar' somewhere vibrates... Maaruf Abu Bakar From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 21:38:14 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22707; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:11:39 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA06793; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:41:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA06784; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bio3.acpub.duke.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03385; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:38:18 -0400 Received: (from hthashq1@localhost) by bio3.acpub.duke.edu (8.7.1/Duke-3.0) id RAA26465; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:38:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Hugh Talat Halman To: Tariqas Subject: Sufis in Houston Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/REPORT; REPORT-TYPE=delivery-status; BOUNDARY="UAA18778.826595800/bio3.acpub.duke.edu" Content-Id: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --UAA18778.826595800/bio3.acpub.duke.edu Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Dear Tariqas Readers: A student of mine has developed an interest in Sufism along the lines of Muzzafer Ozak Effendi, Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan, & Bawa Muhaiyaddin. Please let me know of any Sufi Tekkes, Darghas, Khanqas or other ways of practicing Sufism available in Houston Texas this summer. As-salaam 'alaikum Talat --UAA18778.826595800/bio3.acpub.duke.edu-- From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 02:03:28 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25481; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:20:43 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA16731; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:03:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from desiree.teleport.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA16717; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kelly.teleport.com (bergner@kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20634 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Bergner Received: (from bergner@localhost) by kelly.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA23324 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604260203.TAA23324@kelly.teleport.com> Subject: Re: Mercy To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:03:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <960425163207_382697554@emout10.mail.aol.com> from "NurLuna@aol.com" at Apr 25, 96 04:32:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > > In a message dated 96-04-25, Sister Zaineb writes: > > >Assalamu alaykum. I'd like to take this opportunity to denounce (yet again) > > >all violence committed in the name of religion whether Judaism, > >Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, or any other religion. And there are "men > >of religion" of all religions who are advocating violence as a means to > >various goals, and I believe we must speak out in protest against them. > >All of them. > > > >With best wishes to all, > >Zaineb Istrabadi > IMHO men and women of religion, including many of our prophets, did not shy away from the use of force against exploitation. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 17:16:47 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25968; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:21:47 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA17193; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:05:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA17176; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:05:18 -0400 (EDT) From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA11109; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:02:01 -0400 Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA10330 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:58:36 +0800 Message-Id: <199604260158.JAA10330@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 26-Apr-1996 10:02:15 -0400; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: Nur Jemal: light X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: 38D78031816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Read: allowed X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%world.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: Nur Jemal: light Date: 26 Apr 96 17:16:47 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: MORNING PRAYER BY THE PROPHET MOHAMMED O Allah! Make light in my heart, Light in mine eye, Light in mine ear, Light on my right, Light on my left, Light above me, Light beneath me, Light before me, Light behind me; and make thou for me Light. Light in my tongue, Light in my sinews, Light in my flesh, Light in my blood, Light in mine hair, Light in my body, Light in my soul, and magnify for me Light! O God! bestow upon me Light From: Prayers of the Prophet Mohammad, peace and blessings upon him, compiled and translated by A.H.Farid,Taj printers, Dehli, 1991 This beautiful prayer, to be said after the 2 optional raqats of the morning prayer, can also be used, as Maharij suggested to me, as a basis for the dhikr. Sheikh Tosun Bayrak al Jerrahi al Halveti in his commentary to the sacred name NUR (The Most Beautiful Names ,Threshold books ,1985) says ; Abd el Nur is the servant of Allah who has received the blessing of a response to the prayer of the prophet Mohammad (saws)"O my Lord, render me Light' and eatrh" The whole commentary pp 124-125 is worth reading, it is very inspiring. *********** Dearest Nur Jemal, really true to your name, it seems you are taking up a project I caressed for years, but somehow i did not folow through, a search for the doctrine of light across traditions...I am very very interested in what you are studying, and would like to have an opportunity to know and share more, if this is not apprapriate for the net (though I feel many are interested in the subject of light and how it relates to the heart centre) could you consider writing to me on my E/mail address? Greetings of light to all, Rabia aorsellidickson@STINGRAY.ac.cowan. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 22:29:17 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28563; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:27:35 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA18026; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:09:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA18010; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13833; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:07:16 -0400 Received: from mime1.prodigy.com (mime1.prodigy.com [199.4.137.52]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA22496 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:05:51 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime1.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id WAA17392 for tariqas@world.std.com; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:04:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199604260304.WAA17392@mime1.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: QQFA10A@prodigy.com ( M BRAWLEY) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:04:54, -0600 To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: relationship Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Farid ud-Dien, On 4/25, you wrote: >A _looong_ time ago, I think I read a hadith (saying of the Prophet) >which said that you should look into the eyes of a prospective >partner.... has anyone else also read somthing like this? I can't help you with the hadith. Roman Catholics, however, are taught that a successful marriage requires a third partner - God. My parents have been married for 47 years. They are both very devout Christians (in the sense of living as Jesus did). I believe that they each do dhikr "of the heart" practically every waking moment (and maybe more). I believe that they each see the light of Allah reflected in the other's eyes. And it is the light of Allah by which they each see. Peace be with you, Maryam From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 18:00:27 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13033; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 23:03:42 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA25803; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:49:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA25793; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:49:31 -0400 (EDT) From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Received: from eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06209; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:45:25 -0400 Received: from stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au (stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au [139.230.161.10]) by eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA04446 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:42:30 +0800 Message-Id: <199604260242.KAA04446@eagle.ac.cowan.edu.au> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 26-Apr-1996 10:46:00 -0400; at STINGRAY.ac.cowan X-Nvlenv-Content-Subject: a child of SaraH X-Nvlenv-Mts-Message-Id: A1E18031816C2979 X-Nvlenv-Notify-On-Refusal: allowed X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000Application-name: PMAIL To: tariqas%world.std.com@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Subject: a child of SaraH Date: 26 Apr 96 18:00:27 GMT X-Nvlipm-Non-Standard: SMF = 000X-NetWare-UIC: AORSELLIDICKSON Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: a parable with saraH There was a Healthy group of people wHu had an encounter with the Elephant. One said I feel a palm tree .... and started climbing. Another said I feel the wind and was refreshed by the Elephant's ears. Another said I hear the rumbling of the Mother, and the Elephant's teats overflowed with milk. Another said I have found a vine and commenced to swinging. Another, ecstatic at the Elephant's kiss, just couldn't stop dancing. Another, standing back, found it all so funny that her giggles infected Everyone and the Elephant smiled. Rompamos los Bloqueos! +++++++++++++ At that,Sara the barren suddenly was impregnated with the light of H and conceived , and like Abram before, she changed her name accordingly, and the child in her womb leaped with joy and started the dhikr... In the meantime Ganesha was still offering His kisses to Chrishna's ecstatics, surrounded by a circle of dancing gopis led by the chant of the Song of Songs... The Christians were still swinging on the mystic vine, when they had a glimpse of the Graal and the Saki Himself, Lord Isa, offering His sacred cup of blood-wine-life...which was overflowing honey and milk...the great Goddess herself was soaked with the juice of eternal Life, and overflowing with its substance was filling the skies giving birth to galaxies of light, to the delight of her worshippers below... Then the shamans and Maryam herself, still climbing on the sacred Palm tree wonderedwethertheywouldever reach the navel of creation, since in whatever direction they travelled roots and branches extended themselves beyond description...At that the palm became a Lote, and in the lotus blossom within, surrounded by the four children of Horus, a Buddha smiled with compassion, and the saints smiled with understanding, and the seekers smiled with longing, and the lovers smiled with yearning, and the dam was broken, the blocking stops were removed, the waters of Hu overflooded Egypt, and the waves of the dhikr submerged the nafs in the red sea of the qalb, and all was left after that deluge was a laughing kukuberra[Australian native bird known for its voice resembling a sardonic laugh] perching on the tree of light on the mound of Kaf, at the beginning of creation... and the Dove of Noah, the robin, the parrot, the nightingale, all the thirty birds of the tariqas connected together at the very same moment all over the world, and there was light upon the waters,and in that light the simurgh could see a a trunk emerge from the wirlpool...the palm trunk was really an elephant trunk and it was also a pillar of light, and all the turmoil stopped, and all the mystics dropped on the still waters their mantras and mandalas as garlands of flowers, and bowed in deep deep prostration , listening with a deep deep listening, and a trobador came forth and started reading a story; There was once a people who had never seen an elephant... From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Thu Apr 25 18:50:49 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15930; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 23:10:13 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA26615; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:53:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id WAA26609; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CYPHER.TURBONET.COM by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08361; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:50:59 -0400 Received: from [204.188.48.222] by cypher.turbonet.com (NTMail 3.01.03) id qa053316; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:50:49 +0100 X-Sender: Well333@turbonet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Tariqas@world.std.com From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Subject: New Sufi Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:50:49 +0100 Message-Id: <02504956401717@turbonet.com> X-Info: Visit us at www.TurboNet.com Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: A I am a new Sufi from Moscow Idaho. My Sufi name is Lalla. I have short term memory and so forget the order I was initiated in by Frank Pelfrey here in moscow. I don't think it's registered anyway. We do Universal dances of Peace, so you probably know the order. Anyway my favorite Poet is Rummi. I like to write poetry also. I am eager to learn more from you and to share with you. I call the Beloved One, LionBird sometimes. I know so little except that it is a heartpath of peace and compassion and I am so happy to discover new Sufi friends. I think this shall help me in my walk, having fellowhip with you. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 04:43:00 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03392; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 00:58:32 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA12322; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 00:42:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from mhub1.tc.umn.edu by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA12312; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 00:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by mhub1.tc.umn.edu; Thu, 25 Apr 96 23:43:01 -0500 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Thu, 25 Apr 96 23:43:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 23:43:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Erik S Ohlander To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Cc: Tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: New Sufi In-Reply-To: <02504956401717@turbonet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Sister- Peace be upon you and the Blessings and Mercy of God as well. On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Jacquie Weller wrote: > I am a new Sufi from Moscow Idaho. My Sufi name is Lalla. I have short > term memory and so forget the order I was initiated in by Frank Pelfrey here > in moscow. I don't think it's registered anyway. We do Universal dances of > Peace, so you probably know the order. Anyway my favorite Poet is Rummi. I > like to write poetry also. I am eager to learn more from you and to share > with you. I call the Beloved One, LionBird sometimes. I know so little > except that it is a heartpath of peace and compassion and I am so happy to > discover new Sufi friends. I think this shall help me in my walk, having > fellowhip with you. > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 04:52:18 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA05135; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:04:40 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA13204; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 00:53:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA13197; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 00:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhub2.tc.umn.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01671; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 00:52:21 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by mhub2.tc.umn.edu; Thu, 25 Apr 96 23:52:20 -0500 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Thu, 25 Apr 96 23:52:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 23:52:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Erik S Ohlander To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: al-Qur'an al-Karim Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: God Most High says in His Book: "Say: O my servents who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives all sins: for He is the oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful" -al-Zumar ayat 53 (Yusuf 'Ali interpretation). Please my brothers and sisters remember how important 'rahmanah' is in our lives. Subhanullah; la illah illa 'Llah wa Muhammad rasulullah; Allahu Akbar; la illah illa 'Llah! -Erik. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 05:00:25 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08353; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:16:45 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA14160; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:03:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA14156; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhub0.tc.umn.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03958; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:00:27 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by mhub0.tc.umn.edu; Fri, 26 Apr 96 00:00:26 -0500 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Fri, 26 Apr 96 00:00:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 00:00:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Erik S Ohlander To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Chistiyya tariqa Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: As-Salamu 'alaykum- I am interested in speaking to anyone who has had contact with, or is familiar with the chistiyya khaniqah in New York State. Specifically, I am speaking of Shaykh Moynuddin al-Chisti and his orginization in Oxford NY. I have a few questions that, insha'allah, one of you may be able to answer. Any response would be appreciated. ma'assalama- Erik. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 11:43:47 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19430; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 08:03:04 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id HAA00576; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:43:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from j51.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id HAA00569; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zaineb@localhost) by j51.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id HAA13739; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:43:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Zaineb Istrabadi To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Mercy In-Reply-To: <199604260203.TAA23324@kelly.teleport.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaykum. I was not speaking of the Prophets. I used the present tense below. Best, Zaineb On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Paul Bergner wrote: > > > > In a message dated 96-04-25, Sister Zaineb writes: > > > > >Assalamu alaykum. I'd like to take this opportunity to denounce (yet again) > > > > >all violence committed in the name of religion whether Judaism, > > >Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, or any other religion. And there are "men > > >of religion" of all religions who are advocating violence as a means to > > >various goals, and I believe we must speak out in protest against them. > > >All of them. > > > > > >With best wishes to all, > > >Zaineb Istrabadi > > > > IMHO men and women of religion, including many of our prophets, did not > shy away from the use of force against exploitation. > > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 15:13:45 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20906; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:49:59 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id LAA26767; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:17:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id LAA26760; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:17:29 -0400 (EDT) From: GHADDAD@ccmail.sunysb.edu Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23639; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:14:05 -0400 Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <01I3ZUGUCT1C9I6JZ0@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for tariqas@world.std.com; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Chistiyya tariqa To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: <01I3ZUGUD3EA9I6JZ0@ccmail.sunysb.edu> X-Vms-To: in%"tariqas@world.std.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: State University of New York at Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY G. Fouad Haddad 26-Apr-1996 10:57am EDT FROM: GHADDAD TO: Remote Addressee ( _tariqas@world.std.com ) Subject: re: Chistiyya tariqa as-salamu `alaykum, The oldest representative of the Chistiyya tariqa to my knowledge is Baba Nizami of India. He is in his nineties and lives in a small room in Chicago, Illinois. He is held in the greatest esteem by the Indo-pakistani community of Chicago and its vicinity, and there is a constant stream of calls and visitors to his room. I had the priviledge of visiting him there last summer with my shaykh, Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, to sit in his saintly presence and to be fed by his own venerable hand. All the mosques of Chicago put together cannot fit into his room, and the light in that small room is enough to fuel the sun if it wished. Alas, alas, how blind we are, I thought, running after shadows and thinking we worship God when in reality we are shunning God and his saints. I thank God that he allowed me to meet Baba Nizami, to recite Mawlid with him the next day, to pray in line next to him, and to sit next to him reciting dhikr as we were led by my shaykh. No doubt such are the "Meadows of Paradise" mentioned by the Prophet, God's blessings be upon him, his Family, his Companions, and his Saints. Fouad Haddad Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 16:16:20 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA25672; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:44:34 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA05375; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:10:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from moon.nbn.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA05365; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.4.64.31] (srf-31.nbn.com [199.4.64.31]) by moon.nbn.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA28860 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:10:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: ias@mail.nbn.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Eudora 2.1 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 08:16:20 -0800 To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: ias@ias.org (International Association of Sufism) Subject: Thank you Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Friends Symposium was a great success.Thank you for making such admirable unity a possibility. At this point of time and period of history let's hope our coming together, in the spirit of peace and harmony, brings a new beginning to an old discipline. Let's hope future generations will admire our dedication to our belief and appreciate our commitment to human values and ethics. Thank you for being there, thank you for making this event a family reunion, thank you for bringing your love and energy to share with all. See you again next year. International Association of Sufism From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 16:27:20 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04253; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:56:42 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA08402; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:27:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from pigtown.charm.net by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA08381; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tony.charm.net by pigtown.charm.net ; 26 APR 96 12:26:22 EDT From: tony@charm.net (Anthony Teelucksingh) To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Mercy Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:27:20 -0400 Organization: Rodgers Forge in Towson, Maryland Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <3180f8b0.16898011@smtp.charm.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:43:47 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Assalamu alaykum. I was not speaking of the Prophets. I used the >present tense below. > >Best, >Zaineb > >On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Paul Bergner wrote: >> IMHO men and women of religion, including many of our prophets, did not >> shy away from the use of force against exploitation. I think brother Paul's point is that violence against exploitation is acceptable, and he uses the prophets as examples. That still does not explain the murder of innocents. To address the sister's point, mercy is the best example of the prophets. Some of us forget that mercy is also a rule to be followed. -- Tony Anthony Teelucksingh "Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk." -- Henry David Thoreau From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 17:42:49 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24977; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:09:36 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id NAA21156; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:42:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from weaver.weaver.guilford.k12.nc.us by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id NAA21148; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by weaver.weaver.guilford.k12.nc.us id NAA07626; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:42:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob King X-Sender: bking@weaver To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Cc: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: Long answers and body types In-Reply-To: <960424123950_520981406@emout19.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 24 Apr 1996 Farrunnissa wrote: > Where does listening to one's heart come in? I believe that we can strive to > reach the place where we see all beings shining with perfect Divine Beauty > and the Face of the Beloved reflected everywhere we look. Wonderfully stated! Your message, from which I've only included the above snip, reminds me of Diotima's discourse to Socrates in the _Symposium_. Such a wonderful dialogue that is! What you write above speaks to me of finding everywhere, in every breath, "the glow" associated with physical love, finding in every waking moment at least a touch of Eros. assalamu alaikum Bob King From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 18:02:36 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06586; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:28:44 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id OAA23942; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:02:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from blob.best.net by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id OAA23938; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: informe@best.com Received: from [204.156.129.34] (informe.vip.best.com [204.156.129.34]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA17415 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:02:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:02:36 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: Mercy Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >I think brother Paul's point is that violence against >exploitation is acceptable, and he uses the prophets as examples. >That still does not explain the murder of innocents. To address >the sister's point, mercy is the best example of the prophets. >Some of us forget that mercy is also a rule to be followed. >-- >Tony I would rather answer for an excess of mercy than eagerness to take up arms. Hamza From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 19:12:21 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA11634; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:10:51 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA04684; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:17:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA04673; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:17:36 -0400 (EDT) From: GHADDAD@ccmail.sunysb.edu Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA07154; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:12:36 -0400 Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <01I402SO9P8G9I5UBE@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for tariqas@world.std.com; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FWD: msa-ec: The City of the Heart and other timely thoughts. To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: <01I402SO9TXU9I5UBE@ccmail.sunysb.edu> X-Vms-To: in%"tariqas@world.std.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: State University of New York at Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY G. Fouad Haddad 26-Apr-1996 03:12pm EDT FROM: GHADDAD TO: Remote Addressee ( _tariqas@world.std.com ) Subject: FWD: msa-ec: The City of the Heart and other timely thoughts. Faraz Fareed Rabbani 26-Apr-1996 01:02pm EDT TO: GHADDAD Subject: msa-ec: The City of the Heart and other timely thoughts... Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <01I3ZXNUPNNM9HBEXL@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for GHADDAD@allin1.cc.sunysb.edu; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <01I3ZXNKL7NK9HC3R8@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for ghaddad@ccmail.sunysb.edu; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA03951; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA03947; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bebop.epas.utoronto.ca by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24137; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:55:16 -0400 Received: from epas.utoronto.ca by bebop.epas.utoronto.ca via ESMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) for <@bebop.epas.utoronto.ca:msa-ec@world.std.com> id LAA22059; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:55:14 -0400 Received: by epas.utoronto.ca (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/930416.SGI) for msa-ec@world.std.com id LAA00155; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:55:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:55:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Faraz Fareed Rabbani Subject: msa-ec: The City of the Heart and other timely thoughts... Sender: msa-ec-approval@world.std.com Resent-to: GHADDAD@allin1.cc.sunysb.edu To: msa-ec@world.std.com Reply-to: msa-ec@facteur.std.com X-VMS-To: IN%"msa-ec@world.std.com" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to msa-ec-approval using -f Bismillah al-Rahman al-Raheem was-salaat was-salaam `alaa Rasul-illah wa 'alaa alihi wa sahbihi wa sallam > The following is a reflection by Yunus Emre, a 13th century Turkish > derwish, who spent his life searching and seeking the pleasure of > Allah, May He be Exalted. > > In an age when time passes rather quickly, the affairs of the world > keep our minds and hearts occupied, the words of this great sage > remind us of some very timely things. May Allah grant Yunus Emre > blessings and give light to his grave, and May Allah inspire all of us > to the wisdom of the Qur'an and the perfect example of the Messenger Muhammad. > > Take Care > > Wasalam > > ARM > _______ > > >From the book, City of the Heart (translated by Suha Faiz, Element > Books, London UK, 1992). > > Yunus Emre writes: > > > Once, from the father's loins into the mother's womb there fell the heart; > God it was who so ordained it; into the treasure fell that heart. > > There, on me, was soul bestowed, into flesh and bone and blood; > Into the span of fleeting days, into movement fell the heart. > > I walked alone, secluded, then; not yet God's mercy had I known; > Torn was I from my true home as into this world fell the heart. > > First they placed me in a cradle, swaddled tight my hands and feet; > When, bitter taste fist on my tongue, into salt then fell the heart. > > Each day they unwrap me, twice; with silver coins they deck my brow; > Give my mouth the breast: into the grip of self then fell the heart. > > My infancy I set aside, determined in my mind to walk; > But through with puny frame I strove, from this to that hand fell the heart. > > When, as a boy, possessed by pride as one me each kiss bestowed, > My mind companion was to me; and into self will fell the heart. > > I reached the age when joyfully I saw sprouts on lips and chin; > Then vanity took hold of me and need for love seized the heart. > > I knew the right, preferred the wrong; all I performed in earnest haste; > I thrust away all but desire; deeper in selfhood sank the heart. > > At five-and-forty features change, in both white and black appear; > On seeing this, into a mood to pluck these out then fell the heart. > > Endeavour now brings no success, and arm cannot enforce the will; > Putting aside this doleful state, to graver things then turned the heart. > > The son cries: "Senile, yet won't die;" the daughter: "Would that he'd > lie still." > Their own state understanding not --- into yet others falls the heart. > > Grateful are they that death has come, and to the graveyard turn their way, > Repeatedly recall God's name; into "Thank God" now falls the heart. > > They bring the water for ablution andthe shroud to fold the corpse; > Place upon the bier the body; into death then falls the heart. > > If self to effort you have given, the grave is no constraint for you; > Who never for the good has striven --- of fiery wine now drinks the heart. > > Yunus, know your state; if what your Road must bring you to is this, > While yet your strength abides in you, a means of blessing be, my heart. > > _____ > > BTW: Any comments? > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 19:55:25 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17310; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:59:13 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA11504; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:55:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from cwis.unomaha.edu by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA11463; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cwis.unomaha.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00137; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:55:25 -0500 Message-Id: <9604261955.AA00137@cwis.unomaha.edu> Subject: Re: Chistiyya tariqa To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:55:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Bennett In-Reply-To: <01I3ZUGUD3EA9I6JZ0@ccmail.sunysb.edu> from "GHADDAD@ccmail.sunysb.edu" at Apr 26, 96 11:13:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: 786 asalaam, dear brother Fouad: do you have is address?? would like to visit him. wasalaam abdul ghani> > > State University of New York at Stony Brook > Stony Brook, NY > > G. Fouad Haddad > 26-Apr-1996 10:57am EDT > FROM: GHADDAD > TO: Remote Addressee ( _tariqas@world.std.com ) > > Subject: re: Chistiyya tariqa > > as-salamu `alaykum, > > The oldest representative of the Chistiyya tariqa to > my knowledge is Baba Nizami of India. He is in his > nineties and lives in a small room in Chicago, Illinois. > He is held in the greatest esteem by the Indo-pakistani > community of Chicago and its vicinity, and there is a > constant stream of calls and visitors to his room. > > I had the priviledge of visiting him there last summer > with my shaykh, Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, to sit in his > saintly presence and to be fed by his own venerable > hand. All the mosques of Chicago put together cannot fit > into his room, and the light in that small room > is enough to fuel the sun if it wished. Alas, alas, > how blind we are, I thought, running after shadows > and thinking we worship God when in reality we are > shunning God and his saints. I thank God that he > allowed me to meet Baba Nizami, to recite Mawlid > with him the next day, to pray in line next to him, > and to sit next to him reciting dhikr as we were led > by my shaykh. > > No doubt such are the "Meadows of Paradise" mentioned > by the Prophet, God's blessings be upon him, his Family, > his Companions, and his Saints. > > > Fouad Haddad > Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 20:17:59 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19260; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:02:12 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id QAA16658; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:21:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id QAA16644; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from longbow.usace.mil by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16540; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:18:05 -0400 Received: by longbow.usace.mil (4.0/SMI-4.0(USACE 4.0)) id AA03078; Fri, 26 Apr 96 13:17:59 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 13:17:59 PDT From: kaye@usace.mil (Kaye McGee) Message-Id: <9604262017.AA03078@longbow.usace.mil> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Event in Carmel, CA Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Join us for an afternoon of Traditional Sufi Wisdom First in a series of gatherings in Carmel area * Techniques of Sufi meditation for peace and tranquility * The Beauty of the Divine, expressed in Sufi poetry * Principles and practices for living in the presence of heart * Zekr: Inspirational Sufi music and chanting Sunday, May 5, 1996 2:00 - 4:00 The Unitarian Universalist Church of the Monterey Peninsula 490 Aguajito Road Carmel (Hwy. 68 exit, off Hwy. 1) $5.00 donation presented by: International Association of Sufism 25 Mitchell Blvd., Suite 2 San Rafael, CA 94903 (415) 472-6959 * fax: (415) 472-6221 email: ias@ias.org From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 21:16:07 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28590; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:18:35 -0400 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA26406; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27341; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:16:16 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA26043; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199604262116.RAA26043@europe.std.com> X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com From: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@world.std.com: Non-member submission from [ZIAulHUQ@aol.com] Status: RO X-Status: >From habib@world.std.com Fri Apr 26 17:16:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA26031; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: ZIAulHUQ@aol.com Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26327; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:14:21 -0400 Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA07913 for Tariqas@world.std.com; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:14:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:14:21 -0400 Message-Id: <960426171421_383633068@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: Tariqas@world.std.com Subject: SHAIKH SERIF AL-RIFAI ZIKRS IN NYC HU, Shaikh Serif of the Rifai-Marufi Order of Istanbul will be in NYC and will conduct Zikrs at 7:30 PM on May 5th, May 19th and May 26th to which all are welcome at " Fazil's Dance Studio" on the 3rd. floor at 743 8th Avenue ( between 46th and 47th streets). Now residing in North Carolina Shaikh Serif is the head of the Rifai-Marufi Order of America, and can be reached at: M. SERIF CATALKAYA RIFAI MARUFI ORDER OF AMERICA P.O. Box 296 CARRBORO, NC 27510 919-933-0772 For more information on the Zikrs in NYC call 212-265-4345 or the studio at 212-541-4455, or Email at this address. Also, if you wish, join Serif Baba and dervishes at the mehzar of Hz. Baba Bawa in Philadelphia on May 12th after noon prayers. HU From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 21:36:03 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00888; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:08:13 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA29065; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:36:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from homer29.u.washington.edu by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA29043; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by homer29.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA40469; Fri, 26 Apr 96 14:36:04 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Lilyan Ila To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Cc: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: relationship In-Reply-To: <199604260304.WAA17392@mime1.prodigy.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: salaam to all I guess having this sort of connection would make it easy to overlook the 'wrong body type' - thank you for your beautiful example of relationship, and for giving us a glimpse of the fruit of such a union. Lily On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, M BRAWLEY wrote: > > I can't help you with the hadith. Roman Catholics, however, are > taught that > a successful marriage requires a third partner - God. My parents > have been > married for 47 years. They are both very devout Christians (in the > sense of > living as Jesus did). I believe that they each do dhikr "of the > heart" practically every > waking moment (and maybe more). > > I believe that they each see the light of Allah reflected in the > other's eyes. And it is > the light of Allah by which they each see. > > Peace be with you, > Maryam > > From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 22:08:11 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13490; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:30:00 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id SAA03230; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:10:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id SAA03223; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:10:43 -0400 (EDT) From: GHADDAD@ccmail.sunysb.edu Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01145; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:08:31 -0400 Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <01I408XO9BS09N3WPI@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for tariqas@world.std.com; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Contact with Baba Nizami To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: <01I408XO9HFM9N3WPI@ccmail.sunysb.edu> X-Vms-To: in%"tariqas@world.std.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: State University of New York at Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY G. Fouad Haddad 26-Apr-1996 06:06pm EDT FROM: GHADDAD TO: Remote Addressee ( _tariqas@world.std.com ) Subject: Contact with Baba Nizami Dear Friends: Anyone interested in contacting or visiting Baba Nizami the Chisti Grandshaykh in Chicago can send me a private email. I will be glad to tell them who to call. Fouad Haddad From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 14:08:57 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA15025; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:33:35 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id SAA03022; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:09:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from cypher.turbonet.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id SAA03014; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.188.48.232] by cypher.turbonet.com (NTMail 3.01.03) id ua053580; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:08:57 +0100 X-Sender: Well333@turbonet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Subject: Re: Mercy Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:08:57 +0100 Message-Id: <22085776504722@turbonet.com> X-Info: Visit us at www.TurboNet.com Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: >Assalamu alaykum. I was not speaking of the Prophets. I used the >present tense below. > >Best, >Zaineb > >On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Paul Bergner wrote: > >> > >> > In a message dated 96-04-25, Sister Zaineb writes: >> > >> > >Assalamu alaykum. I'd like to take this opportunity to denounce (yet again) >> > >> > >all violence committed in the name of religion whether Judaism, >> > >Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, or any other religion. And there are "men >> > >of religion" of all religions who are advocating violence as a means to >> > >various goals, and I believe we must speak out in protest against them. >> > >All of them. >> > > >> > >With best wishes to all, >> > >Zaineb Istrabadi >> > >> >> IMHO men and women of religion, including many of our prophets, did not >> shy away from the use of force against exploitation. >> >> >> IMHO Peace is the most excellant way. Blessed are the peacemakers. Let us > hope there will be better ways to live together in peace, and harmony. I Thankyou everyone for your warm wishes and welcome. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 14:38:38 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02448; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:13:27 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id SAA07108; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:38:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from cypher.turbonet.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id SAA07099; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.188.48.219] by cypher.turbonet.com (NTMail 3.01.03) id da053589; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:38:38 +0100 X-Sender: Well333@turbonet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@facteur.std.com From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Subject: Re: FWD: msa-ec: The City of the Heart and other timely thoughts. Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:38:38 +0100 Message-Id: <22383842504857@turbonet.com> X-Info: Visit us at www.TurboNet.com Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: > > State University of New York at Stony Brook > Stony Brook, NY > > G. Fouad Haddad > 26-Apr-1996 03:12pm EDT >FROM: GHADDAD >TO: Remote Addressee ( _tariqas@world.std.com ) > >Subject: FWD: msa-ec: The City of the Heart and other timely thoughts. > > > > > Faraz Fareed Rabbani > > > 26-Apr-1996 01:02pm EDT > >TO: GHADDAD > >Subject: msa-ec: The City of the Heart and other timely thoughts... > >Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) > id <01I3ZXNUPNNM9HBEXL@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for GHADDAD@allin1.cc.sunysb.edu; > Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:45:42 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com) > by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) > id <01I3ZXNKL7NK9HC3R8@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for ghaddad@ccmail.sunysb.edu; Fri, > 26 Apr 1996 12:45:28 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA03951; Fri, > 26 Apr 1996 12:00:31 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) > id MAA03947; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:00:29 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from bebop.epas.utoronto.ca by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) > id AA24137; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:55:16 -0400 >Received: from epas.utoronto.ca by bebop.epas.utoronto.ca via ESMTP > (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI) > for <@bebop.epas.utoronto.ca:msa-ec@world.std.com> id LAA22059; Fri, > 26 Apr 1996 11:55:14 -0400 >Received: by epas.utoronto.ca (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/930416.SGI) > for msa-ec@world.std.com id LAA00155; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:55:13 -0400 >Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:55:13 -0400 (EDT) >From: Faraz Fareed Rabbani >Subject: msa-ec: The City of the Heart and other timely thoughts... >Sender: msa-ec-approval@world.std.com >Resent-to: GHADDAD@allin1.cc.sunysb.edu >To: msa-ec@world.std.com >Reply-to: msa-ec@facteur.std.com >X-VMS-To: IN%"msa-ec@world.std.com" >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Precedence: bulk >X-Authentication-warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to msa-ec-approval > using -f > >Bismillah al-Rahman al-Raheem >was-salaat was-salaam `alaa Rasul-illah wa 'alaa alihi wa sahbihi wa sallam >> The following is a reflection by Yunus Emre, a 13th century Turkish >> derwish, who spent his life searching and seeking the pleasure of >> Allah, May He be Exalted. >> >> In an age when time passes rather quickly, the affairs of the world >> keep our minds and hearts occupied, the words of this great sage >> remind us of some very timely things. May Allah grant Yunus Emre >> blessings and give light to his grave, and May Allah inspire all of us >> to the wisdom of the Qur'an and the perfect example of the Messenger Muhammad. >> >> Take Care >> >> Wasalam >> >> ARM >> _______ >> >> >From the book, City of the Heart (translated by Suha Faiz, Element >> Books, London UK, 1992). >> >> Yunus Emre writes: >> >> >> Once, from the father's loins into the mother's womb there fell the heart; >> God it was who so ordained it; into the treasure fell that heart. >> >> There, on me, was soul bestowed, into flesh and bone and blood; >> Into the span of fleeting days, into movement fell the heart. >> >> I walked alone, secluded, then; not yet God's mercy had I known; >> Torn was I from my true home as into this world fell the heart. >> >> First they placed me in a cradle, swaddled tight my hands and feet; >> When, bitter taste fist on my tongue, into salt then fell the heart. >> >> Each day they unwrap me, twice; with silver coins they deck my brow; >> Give my mouth the breast: into the grip of self then fell the heart. >> >> My infancy I set aside, determined in my mind to walk; >> But through with puny frame I strove, from this to that hand fell the heart. >> >> When, as a boy, possessed by pride as one me each kiss bestowed, >> My mind companion was to me; and into self will fell the heart. >> >> I reached the age when joyfully I saw sprouts on lips and chin; >> Then vanity took hold of me and need for love seized the heart. >> >> I knew the right, preferred the wrong; all I performed in earnest haste; >> I thrust away all but desire; deeper in selfhood sank the heart. >> >> At five-and-forty features change, in both white and black appear; >> On seeing this, into a mood to pluck these out then fell the heart. >> >> Endeavour now brings no success, and arm cannot enforce the will; >> Putting aside this doleful state, to graver things then turned the heart. >> >> The son cries: "Senile, yet won't die;" the daughter: "Would that he'd >> lie still." >> Their own state understanding not --- into yet others falls the heart. >> >> Grateful are they that death has come, and to the graveyard turn their way, >> Repeatedly recall God's name; into "Thank God" now falls the heart. >> >> They bring the water for ablution andthe shroud to fold the corpse; >> Place upon the bier the body; into death then falls the heart. >> >> If self to effort you have given, the grave is no constraint for you; >> Who never for the good has striven --- of fiery wine now drinks the heart. >> >> Yunus, know your state; if what your Road must bring you to is this, >> While yet your strength abides in you, a means of blessing be, my heart. >> >> _____ >> >> BTW: Any comments? >> > >----------- >>this is the Most beautiful poem about the heart. I cannot say anymore. >>Thankyou. Lalla (Jacquie) From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 23:17:33 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20253; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:00:17 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id TAA13877; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:21:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id TAA13869; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:21:45 -0400 (EDT) From: GHADDAD@ccmail.sunysb.edu Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04030; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:17:38 -0400 Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <01I40BCP1RIO9N3WSQ@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for tariqas@world.std.com; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Spiritual virtue of animals To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: <01I40BCP1W829N3WSQ@ccmail.sunysb.edu> X-Vms-To: in%"tariqas@world.std.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: State University of New York at Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY G. Fouad Haddad 26-Apr-1996 06:58pm EDT FROM: GHADDAD TO: Remote Addressee ( _msa-ec@world.std.com ) TO: Remote Addressee ( _tariqas@world.std.com ) TO: Remote Addressee ( _soc-religion-islam@telerama.lm.com ) Subject: Spiritual virtue of animals THE SPIRITUAL VIRTUE OF ANIMALS IN THE SUNNA (Way of the Prophet Muhammad) --------------------------------------- Ten authentic ahadith: 1. On the authority of many of the Companions including Abu Sa`id al-Khudri: "A wolf carried away one of the sheep of a certain man. The man went after him and got it back, thereupon the wolf sat up and said: Fear God! You are depriving me of a sustenance which God brought me. The pastor said: What wonder is this, a wolf sitting up and talking to me in the language of humans! The wolf said: I shall tell you of a stranger thing: Muhammad is in Yathrib [Madina] talling people the news of what has passed afore. When the shepherd came back he parked his sheep, came to the Prophet (s), and told him what he had seen. After the prayer the Prophet (s) sent for him again and told him to recout the story to the people." It was related by Ahmad and Qadi Iyad relates something similar. 2. Abu Hurayra said: "A wolf preyed upon a sheep while the shepherd was close by, so the latter pursued the wolf, asking to have the sheep back. Thereupon the wolf turned around and said: Who will protect it on the day I shall be its only sheperd? Another time a man was driving a cow while riding on it. It turned towards him and said: I was not created for this; I was created for tilling the field. The people said (upon hearing these stories): Subhan Allah! The Prophet (s) said: Verily I believe this, and Abu Bakr believes, and Umar believes." Bukhari narrates it. Ibn Hajar said: "The hadith shows the permissibility of exclaiming amazement at what goes against the norm, and confutes people's idea of their own knowledge." 3. Jundub relates that the Prophet (s) said: "Vast is God's mercy, it has 100 parts and He sent down but one whereby creatures are kind to one another -- jinn, humankind, and animals -- and He has retained 99 parts to benefit them for the Day of Resurrection. [Of the one who thinks to limit God's mercy] who do you think is more misguided, he or his camel?" Related by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, Tabarani, al-Hakim; by Ibn Majah through Abu Hurayra; by Tabarani through `Ubada ibn al-Samit; and by others. Haythami in "Majma` al-zawa'id" said: "The sub- narrators in Ahmad's chain are all those of sound hadith except Abu `Abd Allah al-Jashmi whom no-one declared weak." 4. Ibn `Umar relates that the Prophet (s) said: "No people refrain from paying the poor-tax (zakat) except they would be denied rain from the sky, and if it were not for the sake of their animals they would not be watered." Tabarani related it. 5. Abu Hurayra relates that the Prophet (s) said that a man (in another version, a prostitute from the Bani Isra'il) gave water to a thirsty dog and for this action his (her) sins were forgiven. Bukhari relates it, also Malik in the "Muwatta'," Ahmad, Bayhaqi, and Abu Dawud. 6. Umm Maysar said: Maysar visited the Prophet (s) within a precinct of the Banu Najjar in which were some graves of those who died in the Time of Ignorance. He heard them being punished in the grave. When the Prophet (s) came out he said: "Seek refuge in God from the punishment of the grave." She said: "O Messenger of God, are they really being punished in their graves?" He replied: "Yes, really, and the beasts hear the noise of their punishment." Ahmad related it with a sound chain according to Haythami in "Majma` al-Zawa'id." Tabarani relates the last part through Ibn Mas`ud with a fair chain. 7. `A'isha relates that the Prophet (s) was in a large group of the Emigrants (of Mecca) and Helpers (of Madina) when a camel came and prostrated before him. His Companions said: "O Messenger of God, even the animals and the trees are prostrating to you, aren't we more deserving of prostrating to you?" He said: "Worship your Lord and honor your brother. If I were to order anyone to prostrate to someone, I would order woman to prostrate before her husband..." Ahmad narrated it with a good chain which contains `Ali ibn Zayd whom some said was fair while others declared him weak (Haythami). Ibn Majah also narrated some of it. 8. Anas said: "One of the families of the Ansar had a camel which began to act difficult with them and not let them ride him. They came to the Prophet (s) and said: We have a camel o has begun to act recalcitrant and who prevents us from riding him, and we need to water the date-trees and the plantations. The Prophet (s) said to the Companions: Let us go. They went and entered the enclosure where the camel was. The Prophet (s) walked towards it and the Ansar exclaimed: Ya Rasulallah, he has become like a (wild) dog and we are afraid for you lest he act violent! The Prophet (s) said: He has no grudge against me. When the camel saw the Prophet (s) it came towards him and fell prostrate in front of him. The Prophet (s) took its forelock, and there was nothing more docile than that camel. Then he took it to work. The Companions said: Ya Rasulallah, this is a brute beast and it prostrates to you! We, who are rational, ought all the more to prostrate to you. He said: It is not right that any human being prostrate to another human being and if it were, I would have ordered woman to prostrate to her husband due to the great right he has over her..." It was related by Ahmad, al- Bazzar, and al-Nisa'i. Its sub-narrators are all sound except for Hafs ibn Abi Anas who is trustworthy (thiqa). Al-Baghawi relates a version in "Sharh al-sunna" where the Prophet (s) says that the camel complained of over-work and harsh conditions. 9. `Ata' ibn Abi Ribah said: We were with Ibn `Umar when a young man from Basra came. He asked Ibn `Umar about something and the latter said: I will tell you about it. I was with the Prophet (s) in his mosque along with nine others: Abu Bakr, `Umar, `Uthman, `Ali, Ibn Mas`ud, Hudhayfa, Abu Sa`id al-Khudri, and two others when a young man from the Ansar came. He greeted the Prophet (s) then he sat down. Later he said: "O Messenger of God, who is the best of the believers?" The Prophet (s) said: "The best in manners among them." The young man said: "Who is the cleverest?" The Prophet (s) replied: "The most mindful of death and the readiest for it before it comes: those are the cleverest." Then he remained silent. The Prophet (s) then turned to us and said: "Indecent ill manners never appear among a people except plagues and diseases appear with them which were not in the time of their forefathers; a people never tamper with their scales nor allow unethical practices except they will be affected with barrenness, drought, difficulty in obtaining provision, and tyranny; a people never refuse to pay the poor-tax on their wealth except they are denied the rain, and if it were not for (God's mercy for) the animals they would not have rain; nor do they break their pact with God and with His Prophet except God gives their enemies power over them and removes some of what they had in their hands; nor do their leaders cease to judge according to God's Book except God puts their worst ones among their leaders." Then the Prophet (s) ordered `Abd al-Rahman ibn `Awf to prepare for a military expedition for which he was sending him. The next morning the Prophet (s) was wearing a turban of black cotton. He summoned `Abd al-Rahman, untied his own turban, tied it on him, and let its extremity hang loose behind him about one foot ("4 fingers" = 4 x 8 cm.) with the words: "(Wear it) like this, O Ibn `Awf, it is more like the Arabs and more beautiful." Then the Prophet (s) ordered Bilal to give him the flag. He glorified God then said: "Conduct your raids for the sake of God and fight those who disbelieve in God; don't exceed limits, don't act treacherously, don't mutilate, and don't kill women." So this is the pact of God's Messenger among you. Haythami says in "Majma` al-Zawa'id": "Ibn Majah narrates some of it; al-Bazzar narrates it (all), and its sub-narrators are reliable (thiqat)." 10. Abu al-Darda' said that the Prophet (s) said: "If you were only forgiven your mistreatment of animals, you would be greatly forgiven." Ahmad , Tabarani, and others narrated it with a good chain. 11. Ibn Mas`ud said: "I am afraid to mock even a dog lest I become one; and I detest seeing an idle man who is busy neither with the work of this world nor with that of the next." Ibn `Asakir narrated it. 12. `Abd Allah (Ibn `Umar or Ibn `Abbas or Ibn Mas`ud?) said: "... Even if there was a dog that loved `Umar I would love that dog... and if `Umar loved one dog, it would make all dogs lovely to me..." Haythami said that Tabarani related it with a sound chain except for `Asim ibn Abi al-Nujud who is fair. Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions. Naqshbandi-Haqqani Fondation of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a URL: http://www.best.com/~informe/haqqani/ [in 9 languages] Europe Mirror URL:http://www.ummah.org.uk/haqqani/ email: mateens@sybase.com, ghaddad@ccmail.sunysb.edu From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Fri Apr 26 23:58:25 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26530; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:15:27 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id TAA18784; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:58:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id TAA18773; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA04268; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 09:58:26 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 09:58:25 +1000 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: relationship In-Reply-To: <199604260304.WAA17392@mime1.prodigy.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Maryam, Assalamu alaikum! You wrote: > >A _looong_ time ago, I think I read a hadith (saying of the > Prophet) > >which said that you should look into the eyes of a prospective > >partner.... has anyone else also read somthing like this? > > I can't help you with the hadith. Roman Catholics, however, are > taught that > a successful marriage requires a third partner - God. My parents > have been > married for 47 years. They are both very devout Christians (in the > sense of > living as Jesus did). I believe that they each do dhikr "of the > heart" practically every > waking moment (and maybe more). I think what you say is very, very true.... thanks for reminding me of this.... :) > I believe that they each see the light of Allah reflected in the > other's eyes. And it is > the light of Allah by which they each see. This is very beautiful.... :) May Allah bless you, and your parents too! :) Wassalam, your brother, Farid ud-Dien From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Apr 27 02:58:49 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28597; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:14:07 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA16684; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:00:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA16675; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23358; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:58:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:58:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve H Rose Subject: SHAIKH SERIF AL-RIFAI ZIKRS IN NYC (fwd) To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:16:07 -0400 (EDT) From:tariqas-approval@world.std.com To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@world.std.com: Non-member submission from [ZIAulHUQ@aol.com] >From habib@world.std.com Fri Apr 26 17:16:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA26031; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: ZIAulHUQ@aol.com Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26327; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:14:21 -0400 Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA07913 for Tariqas@world.std.com; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:14:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:14:21 -0400 Message-Id: <960426171421_383633068@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: Tariqas@world.std.com Subject: SHAIKH SERIF AL-RIFAI ZIKRS IN NYC HU, Shaikh Serif of the Rifai-Marufi Order of Istanbul will be in NYC and will conduct Zikrs at 7:30 PM on May 5th, May 19th and May 26th to which all are welcome at " Fazil's Dance Studio" on the 3rd. floor at 743 8th Avenue ( between 46th and 47th streets). Now residing in North Carolina Shaikh Serif is the head of the Rifai-Marufi Order of America, and can be reached at: M. SERIF CATALKAYA RIFAI MARUFI ORDER OF AMERICA P.O. Box 296 CARRBORO, NC 27510 919-933-0772 For more information on the Zikrs in NYC call 212-265-4345 or the studio at 212-541-4455, or Email at this address. Also, if you wish, join Serif Baba and dervishes at the mehzar of Hz. Baba Bawa in Philadelphia on May 12th after noon prayers. HU From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Apr 27 03:02:54 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA29387; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:17:01 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA17296; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:03:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA17269; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA24842; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:02:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:02:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve H Rose Subject: Please don't send two copies of messages to tariqas!!! To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum. Please start trying to exercise more care in making sure that you are not sending two copies of messages to tariqas. I have just gotten about four duplicated messages, which were addressed to tariqas@world.std.com with a cc: to tariqas@facteur.std.com. I have no way to stop this outside of asking each one of you to try to be more careful. Thanks! Habib Rose From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Apr 27 09:23:58 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21920; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:38:28 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id NAA15751; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:25:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id NAA15738; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CYPHER.TURBONET.COM by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17357; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:24:09 -0400 Received: from [204.188.48.221] by cypher.turbonet.com (NTMail 3.01.03) id la053805; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 10:23:58 +0100 X-Sender: Well333@turbonet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Tariqas@world.std.com From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 10:23:58 +0100 Message-Id: <17235801906677@turbonet.com> X-Info: Visit us at www.TurboNet.com Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: A My friend Suburo told me I am inititiated into the Ruhaniat branch or order, and this is also recognized as SIRS. I am a mureed, very new. Frank Pelfrey initiated me. His Sufi name is Saladin. I'd like to meet some of you who can share more about this and to learn from you. I struggle with depression and so am depedent on Allah and all the 99 Beautiful names, and Rumi the poet always brings me into a fresh light. Love Lalla (JW) From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Apr 28 04:15:34 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22761; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 00:29:00 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA04470; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 00:17:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA04466; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 00:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14821; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 00:15:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 00:15:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve H Rose Subject: Re: tariqas - DEPRESSION To: tariqas@facteur.std.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum. On Sat, 27 Apr 1996, Jim Bier wrote: > > SEE BELOW > > you said: > i've decided that regardless of what my mood is, i don't want to live > like an > invalid. somewhere in my brain i have great plans for my life, and i'm going > to "JUST DO IT" regardless of whether DSMIV says i'm looney or my boyfriend > (who is himself BP) tells me i'm acting like a psychotic six year old so get > on with it. > > this is my life, dammit, i'm not going to let some disease steal it. i don't > need doctors, and i don't need their unanswers and their unpills that > make me > worse, their anti psychotics their anti whatevers. its better to burn out > than to fade away, so mr. neil tells me, and i'd rathe rbe a trillion dollars > in debt and lovin' every second i spent than to be lying in my bed with my > knife collection waiting for some damned doctor to put a label on me and > experiment on my brain with drugs that don't do anything but mess me up more. > I have manic depressive/bipolar disorder tendencies. Years ago, I had a manic psychotic episode. I'm not sure, but it is possible that I actually did need the anti-psychotic medication that I was required to take at the time. Such things can be useful at certain times for certain people. I have been able to survive very well without lithium or any other medication. But, I'm not sure if this is because I have a mild case of manic depression, or (thank God) I've learned to handle it in other ways. I can tell you that if you try to do it without medication, it will be a much riskier path -- one that may Insh'Allah (God willing) lead to wonderful results, but also one that could lead to disaster. In my experience, to survive a disease such as this without medication requires a great deal of honesty with yourself, and the willingness to make whatever changes God requires you to make. By the way, one of those changes MIGHT be the willingness to take medication when and if you have to. > i bought a bumper sticker today. > it says, > > *****EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE, > AND EVERYTHING IS RIGHT ON TIME.******************* > > > mxxxxxxx, I think you've got it. It might not be the same as what I've > got, but the differences should be for celebration, not quarreling. You > ARE in control of what's important. keep that control. You have an > illness of your relationship with the world. Of many possible solutions, > there are 3. transform the world. transform yourself. transform the > relationship. Of course, the recipes, strategies, ingredients, etc. will > be as idiosyncratic as the person in space and time. Personally, I take > a low dose of lithium daily because I thought it helped avoid mania, > I'll probably lower my dose. It also allows me to answer a gentle yes to > the callous who dare ask 'are you taking your lithium'. Then if they are > ever informed enough to ask howmuch?, I'll be able to tell them, > laughing,' not enough for you apparently, but enough for me.' ;-) > > I prefer to see m-d bp or whatever as living with higher doses of > integrity genes and/or lower doses of the complacency gene. Think about > it in regard to the above analysis. Tell it to your normie friends. > Better make sure they"re good friends. ;-) > I'm not sure about the genes mentioned above. It's possible that people with different conditions have other positive qualities specific to those conditions. But, in any case, integrity is one of the main requirements to survive, and thrive, with emotional conditions such as manic depression. Yours, Habib Rose From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Apr 28 05:51:46 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14943; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 02:00:24 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA15223; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 01:53:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id BAA15219; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 01:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhub0.tc.umn.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13497; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 01:51:50 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by mhub0.tc.umn.edu; Sun, 28 Apr 96 00:51:48 -0500 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Sun, 28 Apr 96 00:51:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 00:51:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Erik S Ohlander To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: 'Eid Mubarak!!! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: As-Salamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu- Greetings to all on this 'Eid al-Adha. may you all remember God and may your sadaqa fitr bring blessings to those who need it most. All Praise is due to God, the Lord of all the worlds! 'Eid Mubarak!!! Erik. From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Apr 28 12:09:48 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27994; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 08:21:08 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id IAA17082; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 08:09:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id IAA17078; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 08:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA15253; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 22:09:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 22:09:48 +1000 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: tariqas - DEPRESSION In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum again, Adding to my last message, I should clarify that what I had was unipolar depression (not bipolar manic-depression). Peace, Farid ud-Dien Rice From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Apr 28 12:08:11 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27974; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 08:20:59 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id IAA16995; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 08:08:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id IAA16987; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 08:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA02335; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 22:08:11 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 22:08:11 +1000 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: tariqas - DEPRESSION In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum (peace be with you), and Eid Mubarak! I used to have a problem with depression, for several years. Alhamdulillah, Allah has now freed me from it. I found the book, "Feeling Good: the New Mood Therapy" by David Burns (a psychiatrist) to be very helpful. It is based on something called cognitive therapy. If you are looking for something which might help, this might help you. Here is what ended up working for me.... it went sort of in this order, over a period of a few years (these are the things which seemed to make a significant difference): 1. I tried to apply what I found in the above book, "Feeling Good: the New Mood Therapy." 2. After couple of years of practising that, I discovered the Tao Te Ching (I liked the Stephen Mitchell version). Trying to apply what I found in there made a great difference in my life. 3. The experience of Sufi dhikr (or zikr), which I learned in a Naqshbandi tariqa. Sufi dhikr is very, very powerful. 4. The experience of zazen, Zen meditation, which is also very powerful, in my experience. Alhamdulillah, at this stage, I feel so incredibly free, compared to the hell I lived in in the past. Personally, I could never deny the truths I have found in the Tao Te Ching, in Zen Buddhism, and in Sufism. I am a Muslim, and I know that many of my fellow Muslims would completely disagree with my "mixing" these different religious traditions.... My answer to this is, a drowning man clutches whatever is available to him to stop himself from drowning. Some of these people may judge me, but Allah is the only judge I accept. Or as another saying goes, don't judge me unless you have walked in my shoes. If you have never felt suicidal, then you are not competent to judge me. For those who are having problems with depresion, my heart goes out to you, because I know first-hand how difficult it is. May God guide you to freedom.... never stop striving for it. Wassalam, your brother, Farid ud-Dien Rice From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Apr 28 19:08:49 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA09477; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 15:19:58 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA27540; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 15:08:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA27536; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 15:08:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Jinavamsa@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA02794 for tariqas@europe.std.com; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 15:08:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 15:08:49 -0400 Message-Id: <960428150848_102171922@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Hazrat Jaf`ar Jaldi Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: hello and peace to all, I have come across some quotations from a Sufi named .Hazrat Jaf`ar Jaldi (the dot comes under the H. ). I can find nothing about him. These were in a text by a twentieth-century teacher, .Hazrat Mo.hammed _Kh_aadim .Hasan Shaah Zuberii Moiinii Gudrii Shaahii (Nawaab Gudrii Shaah Baabaa) [doubled vowels represent vowel with macron or long-vowel line over it], in English, translated from the Urdu. Would anyone have any information on this teacher Jaldi, such as when and where he lived, or other ....? thank you very much, peace, Jinavamsa From tariqas-approval@facteur.std.com Sun Apr 28 23:21:42 1996 Received: from europe.std.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA04169; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 19:38:36 -0400 Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id TAA02278; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 19:21:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f Received: from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id TAA02266; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 19:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from darice@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA01422; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:21:43 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:21:42 +1000 (EST) From: Dien Alfred Rice To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Subject: Re: tariqas - DEPRESSION In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu alaikum, I forgot to add "fighting the ego" in my list of what I did.... I'll put that in as no. 4, and change zazen to no. 5.... So here is my own history towards freedom from depression.... On Sun, 28 Apr 1996, Dien Alfred Rice wrote: > Here is what ended up working for me.... > it went sort of in this order, over a period of a few years > (these are the things which seemed to make a significant difference): > > 1. I tried to apply what I found in the above book, "Feeling Good: > the New Mood Therapy." > > 2. After couple of years of practising that, I discovered the Tao Te > Ching (I liked the Stephen Mitchell version). Trying to apply > what I found in there made a great difference in my life. > > 3. The experience of Sufi dhikr (or zikr), which I learned in > a Naqshbandi tariqa. Sufi dhikr is very, very powerful. I would like to add, anyone at any level I think can benefit from Sufi dhikr. 4. Fighting the "ego," the "animal self." I came to a stage where I could "see" my own ego -- I'm sure that dhikr had much to do with this. I used to get very emotionally attached to certain things, which caused many problems in my personal life. When I could "see" my own "ego," I could fight it whenever it arose, and from this I found that these particular unhealthy emotional attachments I had ("obsessions" is a better word) were from the ego. Fighting the ego helped free me from it. According to a hadith of the Prophet (s.), fighting the ego is the greater jihad. 5. The experience of zazen, Zen meditation, which is also very powerful, in my experience. I want to also add that Sufi teachings may also include meditation (eg. Javad Nurbakhsh's book, "In the Paradise of the Sufis"), however, I did not have the opportunity to learn Sufi meditation because of language difficulties in the tariqa I attended (the Shaykh only spoke Turkish, which I don't speak). So, I learned Zen meditation as an alternative from a Rinzai Zen teacher, since the door to learning Sufi meditation appeared to be closed to me. I mainly write this here in the hope someone can benefit from my experiences.... Peace, and my heart goes out to those who are suffering, keep striving for freedom.... Farid ud-Dien Rice