From tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Sun Jul 7 07:24:02 1996 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT) From: tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Reply-To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com Subject: tariqas-digest V1 #32 tariqas-digest Wednesday, 26 June 1996 Volume 01 : Number 032 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gale Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:45:19 -0700 Subject: RE: Spirituality & Significant Others Hmmm... well I may be stepping out on the limb (possibly the swirling of = my gypsy gene in the gene pool), and it may warrant the wrath of some of = the gods and goddesses on Mt. Cyber-Olympia, but here it goes... Lily wrote: >That is choosing a mate who does not have any interest in, let alone = share,=20 >that which is the guiding principal of their life. I ask this because I = cannot=20 >imagine doing it, cannot think of many examples of other women who have = >done it, but do know of many men who have. Lily, why does this seem so contradictory? Or am I misreading it, or is = it not being stated as intended? Brett's example of his dear = sister-friend who is supposedly spiritual and married to someone who is = not is a case in point. I hear a lot of lip service from both men and = women about their priority towards spirituality, but when it comes down = to the nitty-gritty "walking one's talk", it rarely adds up. One can = imagine that s/he holds the priority of pursuing and longing for = closeness to and a deep intimacy with God, but how sincere is this ideal = if it is compromised over and over again? I wish I could agree that a relationship between a partner who is = pursuing a spiritual life and a partner who isn't is OK and healthy -- = but I honestly can't in my own life - especially when a particular = station is reached where turning back is suicide. Ultimately, the = person trying to move forward will be dragged down, and saying that such = challenges are opportunities for growth may be true in some cases, but = certainly not in all. Moreover it may beg the question of whether = something else, conscious or unconscious, is calling the shots in a = relationship. There is very good reason why every spiritual tradition = encourages one to keep company with those who desire and strive to abide = in the Spirit, who are walking in the path towards God, and = relationships are no different. So if one is awake, or believes hirself = to be awake, isn't it preferable to patiently await a partner who is = likewise? Or in the case offered by Amber, if one finds oneself in such = a situation, it is a path among many others - but I also feel the pain = in the confession. Besides, if one partner is spiritually moving forward, and the other is = not, a point will be reached ultimately where the partners will find = themselves standing on opposite sides of the river. And there is really = no point for the spiritual partner to play savior and ford the river to = retrieve hir mate if the mate is unwilling or asleep. Other experiences = await the person on the new shore of a new life, and other values and = priorities will need to be called upon in order to proceed henceforth. = One can no longer return to the call of the old siren songs of the nafs. The spiritual life tenderizes the heart; it becomes more fragile rather = than congeal. It is more easily broken as it begins to expand. And due = to the degree of realization God bestows on the heart, there is little = one can do about the pain it experiences when those we are close to lack = spiritual understanding or the empathic insight to perceive our = motivations and intentions with any certain clarity. It's as if one's = hands are tied, and one accepts the Catch-22 that for some the spiritual = life is a call to awake, while for others it may be a necessary lullaby = to slumber, and then letting it be at that. There is a beautiful kabbalistic image I frequently turn to for = inspiration that was explained to me by an old Hassidic classmate. It = is the image of God crying. Why does God cry? Out of unconditional = love. And how is this related? Because the greatest gift one can bestow = on one is their free will, and to try to shape another's choices and = decisions would be conditional intentions and acts. Yet we humans make = stupid choices with this freedom, and for this reason God cries. It is = part of the spiritual suffering behind Yazid Bastami's response from God = when he requested God to bestow upon him the Divine Oneness, and God = said, "you cannot bear My Solitude", my aloneness in that Oneness. And, = at least it is from my experience, that to try to love your partner = unconditionally, one cannot allow oneself to be drawn to apparent faults = in the lover. Gaze only upon the beautiful qualities, acknowledging = them so that they have the power to overcome the faults. Mirror back = the goodness. And yet, it remains the common human tendency to focus on = the faults to the point where one fault is heavier in the scale than a = million gifts. So, Hamza, in addition to Ellen's wonderful list of worthy reflections = that you may wish to engage in, I might add: does your friend/lover = inspire you? Do you find an awakening of a divine quality in you that = has laid dormant, repressed or unacknowledged and that is coming to life = when you are with her or think of her? Do you have a yearning to bring = forth this quality(s) into your life, to be better than you already are = - -- not in order to prove anything to her out of some kind of demand, = guilt, or compulsion, but simply as a loving need from the depth of your = soul and as a gift to yourself, her, and to others? Well, enough said. Blessings to all, Nur ------------------------------ From: HENRY.MARTYN@HMI.sprintrpg.sprint.com Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:38:35 -0400 Subject: Locating journal articles 26 June 1996 Hyderabad, India You have all been so helpful on locating or providing information on books for which I and others have been searching. Here is a bit more difficult problem. How do you obtain copies of articles from journals to which you do not have access? In other words, in our specific case, we are not subscribers, we are a research institution which is not connected through interlibrary loan (but are willing to enter into such an arrangement), and we are in India. If, for example, I want to read an article printed in a back issue of Ethno- musicology, how do I begin? This is a problem not only for myself, but for other research students and scholars here in Hyderabad. Thanks in advance for all help. Diane D'Souza Henry Martyn Institute henry.martyn@hmi.sprintrpg.ems.vsnl.net.in ------------------------------ From: Steve H Rose Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Book Search (fwd) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:09:24 +500 (PST) From: "Mr. Mohammad Shahab Khokhar" To: shuja@biruni.erum.com.pk cc: frank@sierra.net, tariqas@facteur.std.com, jinavamsa@aol.com Subject: Re: Book Search In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Shuja: Thanks for forwarding the articles of Mr. Zekaria Sitchen. Frankly his works look like a new addition of the original works of Mr. Erich Von Danniken who is the pioneer in the study of the relationship between Humans and extraterrestrial civilizations. He wrote numerous books including the lost planet, the wars of Gods, Chariots of Gods and visited sited around the world specially in South America. He was also instrumental in forming the Ancient Astronaut Society, the largest organization of its kind engaged in active research on the subject. The subject however is interesting to say the least. Drawings and articrafts resembling the shuttles of today have been found in South America and the amazing knowledge of the ancient civilizations can only be explained by the help of interference by extraterrestrials. A few years ago another amazing theory was developed. Two well known Russian scientists propounded that the moon is not a part of our solar system but is a space ship used by extraterrestrials for missions to earth. The moon is hollow and has 1/4 of the mass of the earth, the other largest moon of the solar system has only 1/80 of the mass of its planet. NASA and the U.S. Govt have done their level best to hold on to each and every bit of information that they have on UFOs and related matters. Its high time that they be pressured to share the info with the common people. About the DNA bit I personally do not believe it, but couple of years ago Dr. Salam ( the well known muslim noble laureate ) published a paper in which it was proved that the temperature of the earth at the time of the start of life was not conducive for the structure of the first DNAs and protiens, the alternate: the first seeds of life on earth came from somewhere else... The wide gap between the inner planets and the outer planets was explained by Mr. Danniken as arising from the destruction of a planet which was between Mars and Jupiter, Mr. Danniken also propounded that the ancient civilization in Moenjodarro in Pakistan was destroyed due to an atomic war! I will try to get hold of Mr. Sitchen's books to see if there is something new... Sincerely, MSK ------------------------------ From: Steve H Rose Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Spirituality and Significant Others Assalamu alaikum. Almost all of my relationships have been a very important part of my spiritual growth -- and provided extremely valuable life lessons. Alhamdullilah, I finally ended up being married to a woman whose spiritual path, although not the same as mine, is certainly very complementary. Good stuff!!! Yours, Habib ------------------------------ From: Steve H Rose Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Email Case Subject Submission Guidelines (fwd) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:48:55 -0700 From: Alan Phillips X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tariqas@europe.std.com Subject: Re: Email Case Subject Submission Guidelines References: <31902393.6F1A@nando.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Iram, Re: your message below and your health problems--if you would like to be listed in the CASEWORK Newsletter, please send me more details as outlined below. Please let me know if you are not familiar with the CASEWORK Newsletter and would like information on this. In brief, we are an international network of Silva graduates working health cases of persons who desire healing assistance with the Silva techniques. better and Better, Alan Phillips, Director Human Development Services, Inc. a 501(c)(3) non-profit corp. >After readings the followings messages, I too am requesting healing for >myself. I suffer from an eating disorder and diabetes. My name is >Amber (Iram) Williams and my mother's name is Carol Robinson Baldasare. >My address is 1641 Virginia Street, Berkeley, Calif. 94703. > >Thank you so much for this service. > >Iram > > > **IMAGINE HAVING HUNDREDS OF SILVA METHOD GRADUATES AROUND THE WORLD WORKING ON YOUR > HEALTH PROBLEMS!** > > You can have healing support from Silva graduates around the world by > submitting yourself (or a friend or loved one) for publication in the > CASEWORK Newsletter. In over 8 years of publication, persons from over 30 > countries and nearly every US state have participated. > > EMAIL HEALTH CASE SUBMISSION GUIDELINES > > Include the following information in the order listed (or as much as is known > or available). *Please be as thorough, specific, and concise as possible.* > (Do not number the sections in your submission; see sample below.) > > 1. Identity: Name, Age, Sex, Location (city, state, and country if not USA), > Today's Date > > 2. For each known health abnormality give the Medical Diagnosis (if known) > and a complete Description of Symptoms in layman's terminology; identify > *precise* location of problems (left, right, etc.) > > 3. List and briefly describe past Accidents and Operations; indicate > month/year (or best estimate) they occurred > > 4. Indicate any dominant Personality Characteristics > > 5. General Description: Height, Weight, Eye and Hair color, Complexion, > Glasses? Smoker? > > 6. 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However, donations are always gratefully accepted, and > are tax-deductible as allowed by law. Please send donations or related > inquiries to: > > CASEWORK > Human Development Services, Inc. > 607 Starmont Drive > Durham, NC 27705-2930 > USA > > ABOUT CASEWORK: For information about the CASEWORK Newsletter, send > inquiries to the above address, or to: intercom@nando.net > > Human Development Services, Inc. is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt nonprofit > corporation. > > Thank you! > > Alan Phillips, CASEWORK Newsletter Editor and Director ------------------------------ From: aorsellidickson@stingray.ac.cowan.edu.au Date: 26 Jun 96 20:02:09 GMT Subject: sacred marriage(hierogamia) Dear Hamza and others, thank you for bringing out and considering such an important question as the nature of our relationship to another. It has made me reflect, and I deeply appreciate the sincerity and wisdom of those who have attempted to answer Hamza's appeal. As others have said, i do not conceive or feel there may be any difference between relationship with my soul partner and the process of spiritual development...how could there be? The whole point of spiritual development is unity, there fore there can be no divisions of domains: the emotional, the sexual, the esthetic, the active, family, job, interests, all flow into one singularity, it has to be this way, at least while one remembers the Source...Of course we get distracted, we lose from time to time our intimate sense of connection with the Source, we indulge in entertainment (divertimento, in Italian, di-vertere, means to deflect to miss the target, to lose the archer's intention to be one with the target... I am not saying that to enjoy, to be amused, to happily bring merriment expansion, humour in our lives is less than good! god forbid! I am saying that there are indulgences of the spirit where we fall into sloth or sensation and we look for stimulation, pleasure, rather than fulfilment, love...) The 27 August this year Edmund and I have been married 20 years...it has not been always easy, but we both feel our coming together, though imperfect, was the best thing to happen for us. We knew that instantly and intuitevely when we first met by very strange circumstances, and made that commitment to each other in our hearts...we only spent an afternoon together before we met again more than a year later, and then only for 10 days...But we married and our commitment to our spiritual growth was the foundation to living together...This and our 2 children has kept us together all the time even through occasional deep turbulence and doubt, and suffering... We have always been faithful to each other in body and heart,...where we differ is that i am unable to feel jelousy and possesiveness in love while he does... I sincerely wish the best for his growth, and if this may be another partner, so it be... but i do not expact the same from him...his nature is different, and i do not expect him to offer me the same sense of freedom at the price of his emotional anguish... Anyway, he has never felt the need to look elesewhere for companionship, though there are areas where what i can offer is limited...very limited... We are just learning now how to learn to love each other... and i am 48 he is 58! We are both slow learners in the matter of love ! Yet we both believe in this matter of sacred union, a relationship of love to be real must become both a vehicle for mutual growing but also arise and refine spiritual energies...This is the theory, but in true fact there are so many obstacles, and the unitive illumination of spirit and soul through human love is a rare, rare miracle... +It is a journey that starts with attraction( emotional, intellectual, spiritual) and encounter... +then there is , the companionship, support, encouragement for each other growth at the same time giving space to our own individuality, acknowledging the differences while nurturing the sharing in freedom... (CLOSENESS) +There is the bond, the covenant, the soul commitment to each other, the" Love " + when there is true selfless love, when we love to give unconditionally because our delight is to see the partner's delight ,when we make and sustain a conscious effort to attract and transform each other's love energies for the purpose of spiritual development, this is the true sacred marriage. (INTIMACY of UNION) Perhaps in a way this journey reflects the one with one's own teacher or Shaik,or to the Beloved Source,only in the first 2 stages there is closeness but not equality, in the second 2 there is intimacy without equality... the advantage of human relationship is that in difference there is is equality, a synergy of complementary forces... the advantage of spiritual relationship( between soul and Shaik, soul and Source) is that in servanthood there is the discovery of Lordship. This is reflected in the postures of the salat, the vertical dimension, the standing, bowing, kneeling, prostration emphasise the vertical axis of transcendence, the relationship of loved servant and loving Lord, while the conclusion of the salat, with the offering of peace to the right and left emphasise the horizontal, manifested dimension, The first part, the vertical axix is "Love your Lord with all your heart, soul and mind", the second, the horizontal, is "Love your neighbour as thyself" In the human relationship, as an image of the divine one, the vertical axis is the selfless pursuing of the partner's spiritual growth where one gives oneself unconditionally trusting that in so doing one receives unconditionally, while the horizontal movement is the companionship, the sharing, the mutual support (not co-dependency). Maybe i have got it all wrong...maybe i better not show this fantastic commentary to Edmund, lest i should blush in shame...falling so short as i do from this lofty ideal! The mystery of human souls...and LOVE! Thank you all for being, best wishes, dear Hamza, may your soul undertsand intuitevely what is best for your and your partner's spirit! Love Rabia ------------------------------ From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:35:00 +0800 Subject: Re: Spirituality and Significant Others On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Keeper of the Dragon Flagon wrote: >Does a dog have the Sufi nature...? (To paraphrase an old Zen koan) >--------------------------------------- > Brett W. McCoy "Unix was never designed to keep > Istvan Dragosani people from doing stupid things, > istvan@gnn.com because that policy would also keep > Disciple of the Eastern Mysteries them from doing clever things." > of both Love and War -- Doug Gwyn > Dear Keeper of the Dragon Flagon, A sleeping dog and a sleeping sufi, both looks the same to me. salam maarof (ps. is Flagon a name of a dragon?) ------------------------------ From: CWoodsong@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:07:07 -0400 Subject: another side of the coin... yeah, but! <> It's also possible to stay married because that's what one is 'supposed to do'... and then not move any deeper than the surface of things. I've been there, done that. My marriage was a comfortable 'excuse' for me to not live up to my highest light... I'm glad for the difficulties that forced me to look deeply into what it was i wanted out of not only a relationship, but life itself. It would have been /easy/ for me to stay married... life was good... and things were easy... going as everyone 'expected' they should. But so much was 'missing'! That 'space'... i think i tried to fill with something other than that which i was really seeking! Those of you here who know me are probably chuckling to yourselves... afraid of comittment... I can't even committ to a spiritual path... but, God, i sure do enjoy life! :) love to all! carol ------------------------------ From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:40:57 +0800 Subject: Re: Answers (Re: Healing Web Page) On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, CWoodsong@aol.com wrote: >Hi Michael! > > >>Please tell me more about these American witches. > >I think there are others here who can answer your questions more fully. What >i refer to here is neo-paganism... one aspect of which is Wicca, or >witchcraft. I don't know anything about it, except that those who follow it >are some of the most loving indiviuals i know. I do attend celebrations that >follow the Wiccan tradition(s)... circles are always entered in the spirit of >"perfect love and perfect trust". The two tenets i am familiar with are to >"harm none", and "love is the law". I'm sure others here can tell you much >more. Assalamualaikum Just to add to the discussion. I used to correspond with a kind woman in US who is a follower of Wicca. She said there are kind witches and not so kind witches, as there are kind muslims and not so kind muslims. I see there's a lot of similarity between Wicca of the West and shamans/village herballist of the East. I see much similarity especially the practice of Wicca in using herbs and the practice of village midwife in Malaysia. Unlike the Wiccans which faced lot of persecution in medieval Europe, the village midwife/woman shaman in Malaysia was accepted as an important members in the old Malay community. Like the Wiccans, the knowledge and practice is passed from mother to daughter. I, myself was delivered by the hands of the village midwife/woman shaman. I have visited her house and was impressed by the magick she posssed and kind enough to show me. Deep inside me, i feel rather sad that such wonderful knowledge is slowly being removed from the Malays, my people. To my understanding, some of the knowledge was received from dreams. Some of the knowledge has been put into books, but it is not the same as the knowledge inside a living human being. salam maarof ------------------------------ From: barzakh@idola.net.id Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:45:36 +0700 Subject: Who are these Sufis? Bismillahirrahmanirrahim. Assalamu'alaykum, Dear Maarof, At 08:46 AM 6/26/96 +0800, you wrote: > ............. >It's hard for me to call Hamka a sufi, because he is >more than that. To me, Hamka is a special servant of God. > >salam >maarof > > Well, to my view, human who have spiritual stage above the Sufis are only the Prophets. They are all Special Servants of God. Maybe we should clear out our definition about the Sufi. Please share me your view about them. I hope you're not like the Wahabbis who hate Sufis. Either you hate 'em or love 'em, I'm sure those Sufis will still love you, all of you. Wassalamu'alaykum, your brother who love Sufis, Michael Roland ------------------------------ From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:03:20 +0800 Subject: Re: Who are these Sufis? On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, barzakh@idola.net.id wrote: >Bismillahirrahmanirrahim. > >Assalamu'alaykum, > >Dear Maarof, > >At 08:46 AM 6/26/96 +0800, you wrote: >> >............. >>It's hard for me to call Hamka a sufi, because he is >>more than that. To me, Hamka is a special servant of God. >> >>salam >>maarof >> >> > >Well, to my view, human who have spiritual stage above the Sufis are only >the Prophets. >They are all Special Servants of God. > >Maybe we should clear out our definition about the Sufi. >Please share me your view about them. >I hope you're not like the Wahabbis who hate Sufis. > >Either you hate 'em or love 'em, >I'm sure those Sufis will still love you, all of you. > > >Wassalamu'alaykum, > >your brother who love Sufis, > >Michael Roland > Assalamualaikum Dear brother Roland, I am not a sufi (do not have a teacher/spiritual guide). Insha Allah when the time comes the teacher or a friend will come. Meanwhile i'll be patience and prepare myself (read sufi books, do good deeds, be kind to life around me etc.) I have great admiration for the sufis. There's a few visible sufi groups in Malaysia... but... my conscience says they are not for me (or i am not for them). I usually like to run away from the "fight" between the so-called Wahabbis and the sufis. I see this thing as "veils" that prevent us from the beautiful light of Life. How long will this fruitless "fight" goes on? How long are we going to slander each other? I believe there is a beautiful purpose in the diversity of life, after all we are all created by the same God. It is not that i am pro-Wahabbi, their actions like cutting the tree under which that Prophet Muhammad (saw) performed the baiyah at Hudaibiya with the Sahaba and destroying the grave of Muhammad (saw) saddened me very much. A special servant of God (to my novice thinking) is anyone who see this beautiful life in its true colours. It is you brother Roland, who helped your teacher by putting a home page for him, Brother Habib as ou host and many others in this list, which are all as doing our part as a special servants of God. I consider Mahatma Ghandi, Hamka, Inayat Khan and many others as a special servants of God, but they are much closer to God (?). A sufi (to my novice definition) is just anyone on the sufi path. salam maarof ------------------------------ From: CWoodsong@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:37:11 -0400 Subject: sufi! my dear, lovely friends, I have another question(s): why sufi? what is it about this /particular/ path that inspires, or leads you? what is it about this particular wisdom passed from one to another that is so important to you? ... was there ever any doubt as to your path? Is there any other Way that you might be satisfied with? Is the 'new age' the time for sharing... or has this always been? Is Sufism simply another 'ism', another veil between 'me' and that which is Real? Why is initiation necessary? okay... way too many questions... <> Many of you will probably know, better than i, what it is i am asking! :) I'll be ever grateful for whatever may be offered in response... thank you all so very much.... :) love, carol ------------------------------ From: CWoodsong@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:01:03 -0400 Subject: O! stubborn one, O! stubborn one, by your cruel impatience by your merciless insistance, by the fire do you really wish to force tight buds to open, flowers to bloom and fill the air with their perfume? Do you not see that the great Artisan, My Lord, at his leisure, by his grace since the night of time has caused the flowers to open from the bud? Guilty is your ambition and your wish to force life; truly your purpose is sterile stubborn, gnawed by impatience... Do you not know that the river invites you-- silently, calm, it flows-- Give in and let yourself float your soul filled with His melody O stubborn one, devoured by impatience... -- anonymous love to all! :) carol ------------------------------ From: Ellen L Price Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 07:23:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Spirituality and Significant Others On Mon, 24 Jun 1996 informe@best.com wrote: [snip] > You know, I never felt like I made a conscious choice, at that point. We > had been on a few dates, then I stayed over one night, and the next, and > the next. Four months later I panicked and asked to be alone for a month to > sort out my feelings. After a month of solitude, I felt very good, and when > I saw her again, she was utterly miserable. I felt sorry for her and knew > that I could make her feel better, so we started up again. > > Hamza > Those who enter into a relationship solely with the other person's feelings in mind without considering their own feelings tread on dangerous ground. The rescuer becomes the victim. I can see why one would feel like nothing more than a care giver. Many people fall into this mode. It is necessary to also honor one's own feelings and experience. Without strong common bonds it is difficult for relationships to maintain the ups and downs of stormy seas. Ellen ------------------------------ End of tariqas-digest V1 #32 ****************************