Avalyn Digest Sat, 14 Feb 1998 Volume 98 : Issue 21 Today's Topics: Anakin Re: looking for a copy of blueday. Re: looking for a copy of blueday. 4ad. Re: looking for a copy of blueday. Re: looking for a copy of blueday. Re: looking for a copy of blueday. Re: Re: Slowbox! was [Re: looking for a copy of blueday.] the box set Re:live set lists A cheap shoegaze band plug... Re: looking for a copy of blueday. Re: Anakin Anakin Another one of those damn auctions Re: Anakin Re: Anakin Re: looking for a copy of blueday. Re: Anakin Re: looking for a copy of blueday. Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the Avalyn Digest mailing list: * send e-mail to: avalyn-d-request@lysator.liu.se * with the Subject: unsubscribe To post to the Avalyn mailing list: * use the address: avalyn@lysator.liu.se Digest back issues can be found through FTP and HTTP: ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/texts/uxu/avalyn/ http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html () Please take care not to include the entire digest in your () reply, only the message(s) you are replying to. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:09:00 -0000 From: "Samuels, Mark" Subject: Anakin Just got a copy of Anakin myself. Mojave 3's 'To whom should I write' reminds me of Bob Dylan. Anybody else got any thoughts? And I think Hope Blister's cover of 'Dagger' was fairly unremarkable apart from the lush noise at the start of the record. Cheers, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:43:19 -0500 (EST) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Re: looking for a copy of blueday. > > If I remember my Slowdive interviews, I think that Blueday was actually > > Creation's idea, to expose the material to audiences who didn't have access > > to the original EP's. > > If that was their meaning, I can't understand why they didn't include > "Golden Hair" and "Avalyn II"? I can understand Catch The Breeze being > left out, as it is included on JFAD, but not the other two. Someone > on the list with connections to Creation? Well, I can see leaving out Avalyn II since it's really just an extended instrumental version of Avalyn I, but Golden Hair *IS* essential!!! Fools they are for leaving it off! And it's not even like it's available on the Catch the Breeze 7" either (since that's 'Shine'). Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:47:00 -0600 From: o_o_o Subject: Re: looking for a copy of blueday. Message-id: <3.0.1.32.19980213114700.006f38f4@pop.umkc.edu> maybe they left golden hair off because it's a cover. Less hassle and cost. As for avalyn II, well it's just slightly different from avalyn I - longer instrumental version, right? Again, one less track to hassle with. >>>> Also, look at the marketing strategy behind Blue Day. Why did they only >>>> release some bsides from the singles? If they wanted to make the material >>>> easily available a comprehensive compilation like the bootleg would have >>>> been the answer. >>> >>> But that wasn't the meaning behind Blue Day. If they wanted to release >>> Blue Day commercially, they would have, as you say, probably included >>> all the b-sides, and released it world wide. But they didn't, because >>> it was released as a limited edition one-time-only (actually, two-time >>> counting the US Souvlaki 2CD ltd ed.) record. This is nothing new. >>> Bands and record companies do this all the time. >> >> If I remember my Slowdive interviews, I think that Blueday was actually >> Creation's idea, to expose the material to audiences who didn't have access >> to the original EP's. > > If that was their meaning, I can't understand why they didn't include > "Golden Hair" and "Avalyn II"? I can understand Catch The Breeze being > left out, as it is included on JFAD, but not the other two. Someone > on the list with connections to Creation? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:52:26 -0500 (EST) From: brYan Subject: 4ad. hey, i was wondering how i might get hold of some of the 4AD sampler releases. like the new one with gus gus, his name is alive, and mojave 3. is it easy to get onto the member list so that i can get the 4AD samples sent to me. and about how much does it cost. oh, i really do appreciate any help you can give me. i own slowdive's 3 albums. i'm too poor to pay for their ep's but i have all three on tape. and i only have one mojave album, and i love it. i would love to get some other stuff of theirs. hopefully, i can get on that list. i love so many of the 4AD bands. thanks in advance, bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:04:19 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: looking for a copy of blueday. At 11:47 1998-02-13 -0600, o_o_o wrote: > maybe they left golden hair off because it's a cover. Less hassle and > cost. As for avalyn II, well it's just slightly different from avalyn I - > longer instrumental version, right? Again, one less track to hassle with. You're probably right - though they did go through all the hassle when it came to "Some Velvet Morning" (ie. on the Volume _and_ US "Souvlaki" discs). In any case, this sounds like the most probable explanation to why they weren't included to me. //Erik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:28:21 +0000 From: "wade@tapehouse.com" Subject: Re: looking for a copy of blueday. I don't quite understand what they're motives were. Watching the videos, or live early tapes, they would play bleed, silver screen, joy, song 1(not shine) but another song that was fast called song 1. They were saying how they were all new... what happened? They were all great! Silver Screen especially rules! wade ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:22:17 -0600 From: John Van Subject: Re: looking for a copy of blueday. wade@tapehouse.com wrote: > I don't quite understand what they're motives were. Watching the > videos, or live early tapes, they would play bleed, silver screen, > joy, song 1(not shine) but another song that was fast called song 1. Is Song 1 the fast,feedback-y one? I really like that one. Reminds me of Medicine, or something similar... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:09:12 EST From: RJDemler@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Slowbox! was [Re: looking for a copy of blueday.] I'm all for celebrating this news once it's been confirmed. No one has confirmed whether the box set is fact or fiction. Maybe I'm just eternally a pessimist..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:32:57 -0600 (CST) From: James W Weber Subject: the box set nodnod i agree..id not heard anything about it until this thread started up...ryko has done some good things, even reissuing the first throwingmuses and a cd of rarities in a 2cd set this spring sometime, so i only hope that this is true heheh. hate to get my hopes up. james ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:29:08 -0500 From: rboge@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re:live set lists At 12:22 PM 2/13/98 -0600, you wrote: >wade@tapehouse.com wrote: >> >> I don't quite understand what they're motives were. Watching the >> videos, or live early tapes, they would play bleed, silver screen, >> joy, song 1(not shine) but another song that was fast called song 1. > > Is Song 1 the fast,feedback-y one? I really like that one. > Reminds me of Medicine, or something similar... For those interested, you can see how slowdive's live set lists progressed @ http://pw2.netcom.com/~rboge/slowdive/setlist.html including various dates when they played song1,colours in spin, bleed, joy, silver screen, curtains & carpet...and other untitled tracks. *09/91 Zap Club : Rachel "this song is very very new, and very unrehearsed ....it's called curtains & carpet", and I believe there was something said about making up the words as they go along. In the links section of the page, I've linked up the BMI page which lists all the titles published by Neil. A few were just given a catalogue # and marked "untitled" To get there, go to the links section of http://pw2.netcom.com/~rboge/slowdive.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 04:27:10 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: A cheap shoegaze band plug... Forwarded: >From: RJDemler@aol.com >Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:16:51 EST >Subject: A cheap shoegaze band plug... > >For any shoegazers/slowdive fans in the New York City, the band Splinterworld >is performing at 9pm on Wednesday, Feb 18th at the Continental. The club is at >25 Third Ave., at St Mark's Place. The cover is $5. Two members of this >Slowdive list are in the band so it can't be all that bad. Isn't that right >wade? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 04:38:19 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: looking for a copy of blueday. At 13:28 1998-02-13 +0000, wade@tapehouse.com wrote: > I don't quite understand what they're motives were. Watching the > videos, or live early tapes, they would play bleed, silver screen, > joy, song 1(not shine) but another song that was fast called song 1. > They were saying how they were all new... what happened? They were > all great! Silver Screen especially rules! I agree - these songs are fantastic, and just the Slowdive that I love, if you know what I mean (ie. of the JFAD-Souvlaki Slowdive era). And I would probably put all of them on a top-10 Slowdive songs list, but I think that's mostly because they are "new". I mean, I didn't get to hear them until after Slowdive had split up, so they basically became new songs (to me). But in any case, they are still great, and should have been released. Which brings the inevitable (sp?) question - how many unreleased songs are there, which we haven't heard? And will they ever leave the studio vault of non-selected songs? //Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:01:58 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: Anakin At 17:09 1998-02-13 -0000, Samuels, Mark wrote: > Just got a copy of Anakin myself. > > Mojave 3's 'To whom should I write' reminds me of Bob Dylan. Anybody else > got any thoughts? I finally found time to listen to it, and To "Whom Should I Write" is of course utterly gorgeous (IMO). Neil sings really well, but I kind of miss Rachel's whisper behind it. Sometimes. I'm not sure about the Dylan likeness though - but considering the few Dylan songs I have sat down to listen to, I'd say it's Neil's voice that does the trick, giving the whole song the Dylan similarity case. ;) > And I think Hope Blister's cover of 'Dagger' was fairly unremarkable apart > from the lush noise at the start of the record. I agree somewhat. When it starts I fall into that "oh man, Slowdive!" trap because it sure sounds Slowdive. But when Louise starts to sing the lyrics I know by heart, in a clear and unfamiliar way, I get mixed feelings for the whole thing. On one hand, it's great to hear a "cover" (well, it's not really a cover is it..) of a Slowdive song from Ivo's own new project (can we see a Slowdive tribute somewhere down the line?), but on the other, it really made me miss Slowdive even more. Have to say that I love the "starry smooth hound" song 'Dreamt u in a dream' by the way. Touch of urban trip-hop mixed with etheral sounding synthesizers and samples of talking people (I probably ought to recognize where these come from, right?). Love it! Really similar to the 97-98 version of Estonia's Bizarre and even closer to Sweden's Doris Days (who released their fantastic 12" (and CDS) 'To Ulrike M.' world wide this week even). The hidden track is "Cuba" right? //Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:13:23 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Anakin By the way, someone asked how to get hold of the Anakin sampler, and from the info note that came with it (I got it to review it for a magazine - pure luck!) it will be available from February 9th, on CD only, through the 4AD mail order, Virgin and Chain With No Name stores and "other selected outlets". This is of course in Europe (sold at CD single price 4.49 UK pounds). But it is also readily available in the US. From where I don't know, but I have seen it at Siren (www.sirencd.com) at least. //Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:30:10 -0500 (EST) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Another one of those damn auctions hey everyone, Sorry for the crossposting all over the place, but I'm having another auction to gain some funds for my trip to Holland this May to visit my girlfriend. So I have to get rid of some great records, as usual. Please check it out at: http://grove.ufl.edu/~eleven/auction.html Some items that may be of interest include MBV, Slowdive, Chapterhouse, Busy Going Crazy, Lilys, Bowery Electric and a bunch more. okay, thanks. Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:35:48 +0100 From: Erik Soderstrom Subject: Re: Anakin At 16:13 1998-02-14 +0100, I wrote: > it is also readily available in the US. From where I don't know, > but I have seen it at Siren (www.sirencd.com) at least. Just noticed that Matt@4AD posted a list of US record stores where you could find the sampler to the 4ad-l list a while ago. Anyone want me to post the list, let me know. //Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:50:13 -0500 (EST) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Re: Anakin > > it is also readily available in the US. From where I don't know, > > but I have seen it at Siren (www.sirencd.com) at least. > > Just noticed that Matt@4AD posted a list of US record stores where > you could find the sampler to the 4ad-l list a while ago. Anyone > want me to post the list, let me know. > I'll be getting in a few copies of this and can order more if people would like - I think they'll be $9 plus shipping Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:52:07 -0700 From: aaron Subject: Re: looking for a copy of blueday. I just can't keep quiet any longer i'll be your future boy wrote: > www.musicstack.com > > That's the main page, i believe. Yes, i confess to buying that boot from > him. I don't particularly like the fact that he's making money off of it, > but he did have to pay for the CD-recordable drive. Come on now, does this really sound like a legitimate reason to you? When you buy a car and then give people rides in it, do you expect them to pay for part of your car payments? The most anyone I know expects is for the riders to pay for gas money. If Dave charged the cost of blank CDRs ($5-$7 I believe) plus postage then he wouldn't be ripping people off. PLENTY of people on this list would tape all of the old songs for anyone who asked. I for one would be happy to copy them all (plus stuff that mr. stack has never even heard) for anyone who wants it if it would stop you from buying the CDRs from him. Heck, I could even copy them to DAT with my brand new DAT machine if anyone out there is interested. And you know what? I don't expect anyone to help me pay the bill for my new DAT toy. Feel free to write to me if you are interested in a very high quality cassette copy of the rarities or even a DAT copy. All I ask for is a blank tape and return postage. For Clarity: In the recent crackdown on bootlegging, terms have been confused. Bootlegs are live recordings that are sold on one of the audio formats without the band's authorization. Live tapes are just tapes, authorized or not, that are traded between fans for no monetary gain. Pirate recordings are unauthorized reproductions of previously released material. This last category is the one that hurts the musicians the most. Please do not support this or any other seller of pirated music. > heck, if Slowdive had an address to send a check to for royalties, > i would do it. i mean, i bought it illegally, and i'd definitely like to > pay the band send your money to the address in the mojave 3 sleeve: mojave 3, p.o. box 8782, london, N15 4UP I'm sure whoever receives it can be trusted to deliver your money to rachel and neil. but somehow i doubt anyone is really going to send money. > (sorta like shareware software i suppose) except that the slowdive e.p.s don't come with a note saying "please copy our product and if you like it please send $ to our address" > Unfortunately, buying the boot > was much cheaper, and *infinitely* faster than finding all these. most illegal things are ways of doing legal things faster, cheaper, or easier. Evan, sorry to go off like this. You're a nice guy but dude, think about it! aaron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:53:55 -0500 From: Justin_Bowers@BAYLOR.EDU Subject: Re: Anakin Message-id: On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:09:00 +0000 avalyn@lysator.liu.se wrote: >Just got a copy of Anakin myself. > >Mojave 3's 'To whom should I write' reminds me of Bob Dylan. Anybody else got any thoughts? > >And I think Hope Blister's cover of 'Dagger' was fairly unremarkable apart from the lush noise at the start of the record. > >Cheers, >Mark With Anakin I have renewed my hopes in the quality of 4ad music. I agree that 'To whom should I write' sounds alot like Bob Dylan, but it also seems to have a heavy Nick Drake influence. All in all it's a damn fine song as well as the His Name is Alive and the Scheer tracks. -=justin=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:55:41 -0700 From: aaron Subject: Re: looking for a copy of blueday. Erik Soderstrom wrote: > Which brings the inevitable (sp?) question - how many unreleased > songs are there, which we haven't heard? And will they ever leave > the studio vault of non-selected songs? well the only one i know which hasn't been mentioned before is one they ended their 12/91 show in brussels with. it is easily one of my favorite slowdive songs but that's the only place i've ever heard it. maybe it's that Curtains and Carpet song, but a shot of the setlist looks like it has "Jazz" in it. Roger, do you know what I'm talking about? So there's Colours In Spin, Bleed, Joy, Silver Screen, Song 1, and that one I'm talking about. Are those "other untitled tracks confirmed to be different songs or could they just be songs that people didn't know the titles of? Plus there's the brief mbv cover that a certain list member has a copy of. I won't name names though. aaron ------------------------------ End of Avalyn Digest Vol.98 #21 ********************************