The Avalyn Digest Tue Feb 11, 1997 Volume 2 : Issue 04 There are 29 messages totalling 705 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Pygmalion lyrics (3) 2. Replying privately 3. effects pdls vs. units (10) 4. London's Ninja Tune Records hits Toronto! 5. Third Eye Foundation 6. ETHEREAL-NOISE MIDIS !!!! 7. Silvania and FSA (6) 8. FWD: NEWS: Local Phone Company To Charge Per Minute For Internet Access 9. Who is this band SPACE (4) 10. kudos to Claire de Leon --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue Feb 4 19:59:50 1997 From: Gregorio Samsa Subject: Pygmalion lyrics Hi Folks !!!! Well , i am new here . And i was searching like crazy looking for the Pygmaliuon lyrics some months ago , and i have not it alredy :-( I just would like to know if somebody have it and could help me. bye, G. Samsa. ------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 23:01:42 -0500 From: larry@interlog.com (the bus that couldn't slow down) Subject: Re: Pygmalion lyrics >Hi Folks !!!! > >Well , i am new here . And i was searching like crazy looking for the >Pygmaliuon lyrics some months ago , and i have not it alredy :-( >I just would like to know if somebody have it and could help me. > >bye, >G. Samsa. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Big fan of Kafka, are we? ---------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:34:47, -0500 From: GGNL44A@prodigy.com ( JRR TOLKIEN) Subject: Replying privately There seems to be an upsurge of people that send mail to this list that would be much more appropriate if sent to the original writer. When replying to mail, check your "to box". If it has the address of the mailing list in it, remove it. Put in the private address of the specific person that you are replying to. The only reason why I am sending this mail is because 8 out of the 9 messages I got today were just that. Messages that shold have been sent directly back to the original writer. The 9th was someone that obviously does not know how to subscribe to a mailing list. Thats my two cents worth. Ryan (GGNL44A@Prodigy.com) p.s. sorry for those that received this email more than once. I sent it out to three different mailing lists that those 9 messages and others in the past week have come from. ----------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 07:14:50 -0500 (EST) From: Melochrome@aol.com Subject: Re: effects pdls vs. units well, i guess it depends on what you want the effects for...in the studio, i prefer a rack (a friend/ex-bandmate of mine recently got a pretty cool digitech floor rack that had a few footswitches and a volume/wah pedal) for playing live, i prefer boss pedals. i pretty much can get most of the sounds i want from them & they're much more reliable than a rack, in my opinion. also racks tend to sound a bit slick which is fine for the studio. when i went out with neil after a slowdive gig, someone asked him & he too preferred boss i believe... ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:36:02 -0500 (EST) From: conspiracy? Subject: Re: FWD: effects pdls vs. units > I just had a question, if anyone out there is using an effects unit and > if they can get some good dreampopish sounds out of it? I have about six > to seven pedals, and I thought about trading them in for just one big > unit. I use to have a Digitech RP10 but it just sucked when you wanted > to click over and change sounds smoothly. Hello, I'm Ben from The Sunflower Conspiracy. We're two guitarists, bass, and drum machine, and we use rack gear for the guitars. The Bassist has four DOD pedals. I have the Digitech Valve FX. It's basically an RP-10 in a rack w/ a tube distortion section. I've noticed, however, that the switching time between presets is less than on the RP-10. I love this unit. The other guitarist, Barry, has an RP-10, but he just recently got a used GSP-2101. That unit sounds great as well, and it is much more flexible. With rack gear, I think he sound is usually more clear, even when it's completely washy. Does that make sense? this is due to the fact that with pedals, you almost have to always run them in series, and the sounds just build up on top of each other. With rack gear, you have your choice of series or parallel, and you can mix in between. For instance, if you have chorus, delay, and reverb, you can route the signal so that the chorused sound doesn't go into the delay, but instead goes straight to the reverb, and the clean sound that goes into the delay, only %50 of its output goes to the reverb. And when you run this in stereo, the sound is usually wide open, severely effected, but clear. Pedals and rack gear each have their own strength's and weaknesses. Pedals are easier to manipulate, but harder to get many distinct sounds. I've also noticed that pedals seem to work better with live and loud/crazy drummers, but rack gear seems to work better with a drum machine. Anyway, I'd suggest that you (and anyone who's interested) test drive each option thoroughly. If you want one or the other, and are in a toss up, go to a guitar store and try out the best processor that you can afford and would feel comfortable buying. Give it a whirl in a practice room for about an hour, then give your pedals a whirl, and consider which you like best and which fits better into your application. Oh yeah, have fun! ------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:52:58 -0500 (EST) From: grilledcheese Subject: Re: FWD: effects pdls vs. units >> I just had a question, if anyone out there is using an effects unit and >> if they can get some good dreampopish sounds out of it? I have about six >> to seven pedals, and I thought about trading them in for just one big >> unit. I use to have a Digitech RP10 but it just sucked when you wanted >> to click over and change sounds smoothly. you need a rackmount processor for some things, like massive reverb and all those neato reverse effects (reverse gates, reverse reverbs). but pedals certainly have their forte. you need a little of both ben already mentioned that alot of pedals can degrade the signal more than a processor. this is true.. most probably because the signal is preamped, converted to digital, processed, converted back to analog, and again amplified...FOR EACH PEDAL. a processor converts to digital and then does everything, only converting back to analog at the output. dogjiseoirdjfg mike ----------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 17:30:49 -0500 From: "Jason A. Paris" Subject: London's Ninja Tune Records hits Toronto! Hey there, For those of you looking to broaden your musical horizons a little, I might suggest checking out the the STEALTH party that will be taking place at the Warehouse (132 Quuens Quay E @ Jarvis) this Saturday (Feb 8) from 9:00pm till 8:00am in Toronto. Tickets are only $15 and are available at all Ticketmaster outlets until 5:00pm on Saturday. Tickets are also available at the local independents and at the door for $20. This party is sort of a "Ninja Tune" showcase featuring two of Ninja Tune Record's top artists. Headlining the bill will be the very well respected DJ Food (London, England) along with Ninja's newest sensation -- DJ Vadim (Russia). Also on the bill is Canada's own Kid Koala (Montreal) who is featured on the cover of this week's EYE magazine. The night will also feature the Toronto talents of Jarkko (fucked up drum 'n bass), Lex (from Plus8 Record's LEGION OF GREEN MEN) along with DJ Gnat, DJ Wig, Myka, Ashley and David Nunez. The info line is (416) 812-6250 and this promises to be an evening of totally original, tripped out, fucked up beats! If you aren't familiar with Ninja Tune stuff, I can personally guarantee you that it is some of the most interesting music being made today. Sort of an amalgamation of heavy sampling, acid jazz and lots of drum 'n bass. It makes for a totally trippy vibe of music that is both challenging and a lot of fun to listen to. As Toronto's rave scene is headed back into the clubs (eg. Industry, Area 51, etc.) you don't have to worry about this being a party for 16 year olds with furry back packs on acid. This will be a real party for real party goers. I hope to see some of you there! Cya at Stealth! :) Laterz, JASON PARIS -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:56:47 -0600 From: mps2@cec.wustl.edu (Michael Peter Stein) Subject: Third Eye Foundation I'm sure alot of you out there may already know about this band, but I just want to emphasize that every one should check out THE THIRD EYE FOUNDATION. It's an absolutely wicked mix of drum 'n' bass and washy distortion (ala MBV, Flying Saucer Attack, and of course Slowdive). Matt Elliott, the man behind Third Eye, has also played with Flying Saucer Attack and AMP. Stuff to get: CD/LP: SEMTEX (on Linda's Strange Vacation) 12": "Semtex" (on Domino) CD/LP: IN VERSION (on Linda's Strange Vacation) remixes of FSA, AMP, Crescent 7": "Universal Cooler"/"I'm not Getting in the Car With You" (on Planet) I think I've said enuff for now... -Mike PS Has anyone gotta review of the new Laika single "Breather"?? ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:32:19 +1100 From: Anthony <932228@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Re: FWD: effects pdls vs. units At 06:55 AM 2/6/97 +0100, you wrote: >Forwarded (please remember to post to: avalyn@lysator.liu.se) message: > >> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 19:48:26 -0500 (EST) >> From: Wade A Settle >> Subject: effects pdls vs. units > >hey all, >I just had a question, if anyone out there is using an effects unit and >if they can get some good dreampopish sounds out of it? I have about six >to seven pedals, and I thought about trading them in for just one big >unit. I use to have a Digitech RP10 but it just sucked when you wanted >to click over and change sounds smoothly. I use boss pedals for the compression/distortion stage (digital distortion sucks) and use a FX500 for delay reverb and symphonic. Also i've noticed that hollow bodied (semi acoustic) guitars give a better ambience through all these effects than solid bodied such as fender stats etc. Anthony. --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 19:47:57 -0500 From: larry@interlog.com (le chat binaire) Subject: Re: FWD: effects pdls vs. units >> I also have a question, around x-mas time there was talk on this list >> about some band called Sylviann or something? What is the proper >> spelling? > >Sylvania. like the lightbulbs. No - Silvania, not like the lightbulbs. ---------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:12:48 -0500 (EST) From: conspiracy? Subject: Re: FWD: effects pdls vs. units > I use boss pedals for the compression/distortion stage (digital > distortion sucks) and use a FX500 for delay reverb and symphonic. Also i've > noticed that hollow bodied (semi acoustic) guitars give a better ambience > through all these effects than solid bodied such as fender stats etc. I'm not trying to be rude, just informative. Plus you may already know this. Most rack units don't have digital distortion. They usually have a analog atage that does comp, dist, eq, and sometimes noise gate. Then the signal goes through a/d converter, and it get process however you wish with the digital effects (phase, flange, delay, reverb, tremolo, detune, pitch shift, etc..) That signal then gets d/a converted in stereo, and you can mix it with the dry analog to receive the wet/dry mix you desire. This is at least how it works on most digitech multi-effects. I know the boss VG-8 and some Rocktron products use digital distortion, meaning the signal is converted to 1's and 0's before any distortion is added. later:) -------------------------------- Date: Fri Feb 7 17:20:46 1997 From: Gregorio Samsa Subject: Re: Pygmalion lyrics Hi folks !! I woudl like to know if somebody have the Pygmalion lyrics that i was lookiung for some months ago ... thanks, G.Samsa. ---------------------------------- Date: Fri Feb 7 17:54:55 1997 From: Gregorio Samsa Subject: ETHEREAL-NOISE MIDIS !!!! Hi there !! does anybody have or know where are websites for get MIDI files from bands like Cocteau Twins or Slowdive ...??..i would like to know .. Take Care. G.Samsa. ----------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 03:31:42 +0100 (MET) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: FWD: effects pdls vs. units Forwarded: (please remember to send all messages to __avalyn@lysator.liu.se__ ) > Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:59:16 -0500 (EST) > From: Ed Hong > Subject: Re: FWD: effects pdls vs. units > unit. I use to have a Digitech RP10 but it just sucked when you wanted > to click over and change sounds smoothly. Could you tell me more about what you thought of the RP10? I'm interested because I was planning to buy an RP6 soon. Thanks. ; ed -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 03:30:50 +0100 (MET) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: FWD: Silvania and FSA Forwarded: (please remember to send all messages to __avalyn@lysator.liu.se__ ) > Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:56:49 -0500 > From: Steven Venn > Subject: Re: Silvania and FSA >I also have a question, around x-mas time there was talk on this list >about some band called Sylviann or something? What is the proper >spelling? Do you mean Silvania? They are a Spanish Slowdive-ish kind of band apparently with albums Miel Nube Hiel, En cielo de oceano, Delay Tambor and Paisaje III. I stil have yet to see anything here in the stores in Toronto on import. I think they are available from Hyperium though, but I could be wrong, anyone? I would love to order Paisaje as I've heard tons about it and even a selection on a college radio show. Steven On Right Now - "Further" by Flying Saucer Attack (if you liked Pygmalion then get it. The sound that a UFO makes) ---------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 22:52:06 -0500 (EST) From: Melochrome@aol.com Subject: Fwd: NEWS: Local Phone Company To Charge Per Minute For Internet Access i think this deserves everyone's attention, pass it on to all you know... --------------------- Forwarded message: Date: 97-02-09 16:25:14 EST From: motts@catamaran.netwave.net (Daniel & Jennifer) To: dumdumdevil@mail.utexas.edu (Craig) CC: drathbun@nv.blm.gov (Dan Rathbun), davidd@netman.ci.aurora.co.us (David), KERATH@aol.com (Grandma & Grandpa Rathbun), jslichte@odin.cair.du.edu (Jenny), knesbit@dante.nmsu.edu (Ken), mtibbs@nmsu.edu (Mark @ Family), umduggar@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Meredith), MHarris774@aol.com (Motts Mama), pjordan@bmgmusic.com (Patrick@Dedicated), melochrome@aol.com (Pramod), twoshoes@acadian.net (Regina/Robert), SPIFFINGNY@aol.com (Spiffing), slichter@mscd.edu (Tina) ---------- > Date: Sunday, February 09, 1997 12:19:14 > From: Richard Dib > To: motts@catamaran.netwave.net > Subject: NEWS: Local Phone Company To Charge Per Minute For Internet Access > > Dear NETWave Customers: > > Here are some news of interest to our customers. If you which > send email to "isp@fcc.gov" with your comments. > > NETWave Internet > info@netwave.net > ---------------------------------------- > For your information: > > Local Phone Companies Want to Bill Internet Users. > > This to inform you of a very important matter currently under review by the > FCC. > Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to impose > per minute charges for your Internet service. They contend that your usage > has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network. It is my belief > that Internet usage will diminish if users were required to pay additional > per minute charges. The FCC has created an > email box for your comments, responses must be received by February 13, > 1997. Send your comments to "isp@fcc.gov" and tell them what you think. > Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak it in > just under the wire for litigation. Let everyone you know about this one. > Get the e-mail address to everyone you can think of. ------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:11:15 -0800 (PST) From: Gage Crump Subject: Re: FWD: effects pdls vs. units On Mon, 10 Feb 1997 chief@lysator.liu.se wrote: >> unit. I use to have a Digitech RP10 but it just sucked when you wanted >> to click over and change sounds smoothly. > > Could you tell me more about what you thought of the RP10? I'm interested > because I was planning to buy an RP6 soon. Thanks. > > ; ed I have had an RP10 for about a year and a half. you can get some really interesting sounds out of it, though this takes some playing around with all the possible things to modulate. a couple of problems i have with it are that 1.) as said before, it takes a second or so to switch from channel to channel 2.) when i use a lot of delay or other effects in large combinations the machine overrides and the sound gets distorted and cut off in a bad way, there's this awful red light beeping all the time, i always wish i could push the effects farther 3.) its hard to play with things in real time as with separate pedals, you can't spin and tweak any tangible knobs, so for this i use it in combination with other pedals like delay. but on the plus side you can get a nice base sound to fuck with overtop of. but you might look into ones with more power... gage ---------------------------- Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 21:45:00 -0800 From: Sweet Trip Subject: Re: FWD: effects pdls vs. units >> unit. I use to have a Digitech RP10 but it just sucked when you wanted >> to click over and change sounds smoothly. > > Could you tell me more about what you thought of the RP10? I'm interested > because I was planning to buy an RP6 soon. Thanks. > > ; ed The RP-10 is a rad unit for the money! Spend the extra money to upgrade to the RP-10 or RP-12. It has more effects, more user programs, and a more flexible foot controller section. Overall, it's a more complete processor than the RP-6. ---------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:25:49 -0500 (EST) From: Moonstar9@aol.com Subject: Who is this band SPACE hi, for some reason i keep hearing about this band called SPACE. i know nothing about them so can someone please fill me in. thanks, Jared ---------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:38:18 -0500 (EST) From: conspiracy? Subject: Re: Who is this band SPACE SPACE: I saw them on 120 last night. Kinda boring loungy almost but-not-quite latin feel. Kinda along the same vibe as the cardigans, but different enough to make them sound completly unlike that. Last night I was thinking, "hmmm, SPACE, this could be cool." But by the end, I was kinda just like mmmmmm. But that's just their single. ----------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:34:44 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Barker Subject: Re: Who is this band SPACE I believe there is a band here in LA that goes by that name. My band was using it until we found out there was another band with that name, they were more punk than anything. ...Greg... -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:30:11 -0600 From: mps2@cec.wustl.edu (Michael Peter Stein) Subject: kudos to Claire de Leon I just wanted to tell the list not to hesitate ordering Silvania stuff thru Claire de Leon. I just got my DELAY TAMBOR CD in and it's pretty kickin'. I really dig the Ae, Seefeel, and Locust. I guess now I should check out the original material. -Mike -------------------------------- Date: Mon Feb 10 14:43:30 1997 From: Gregorio Samsa Subject: Re: FWD: Silvania and FSA > Do you mean Silvania? They are a Spanish Slowdive-ish kind of band I was folllowing Silvania since some years ago , and i know that they are a peruvian band , not a spanish band ... But play in Spain . Actually they are in ambient , but i think that it' definitely not the same feelings that make in me when listen them first works ..specially "En cielo de Oceano" /..definitely GREAT !!!! cheers, G. Samsa. ---------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:39:10 -0700 (MST) From: Knobslinger Subject: Re: Who is this band SPACE Quite simply, Space are some Scouse band who aren't that great. Jericho G Gozar jericho@U.Arizona.EDU ----------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:01:19 GMT -5 From: WILDER GONZALES AGREDA <932307@cenco.ulima.edu.pe> Subject: Re: FWD: Silvania and FSA >> I also have a question, around x-mas time there was talk on this list >> about some band called Sylviann or something? What is the proper >> spelling? > > Do you mean Silvania? They are a Spanish Slowdive-ish kind of band > apparently with albums Miel Nube Hiel, En cielo de oceano, Delay Tambor > and Paisaje III. I stil have yet to see anything here in the stores in > Toronto > on import. I think they are available from Hyperium though, but I could > be wrong, anyone? Yes silvania's stuff is not available from Hyperium records. > I would love to order Paisaje as I've heard tons about > it and even a selection on a college radio show. I know most of the Silvania cds are carried by Slumberland. just visit their homepage. Regards. Wilder. -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:26:02 -0500 (EST) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Re: FWD: Silvania and FSA > Do you mean Silvania? They are a Spanish Slowdive-ish kind of band > apparently with albums Miel Nube Hiel, En cielo de oceano, Delay Tambor > and Paisaje III. I stil have yet to see anything here in the stores in > Toronto > on import. I think they are available from Hyperium though, but I could > be wrong, anyone? I would love to order Paisaje as I've heard tons about > it and even a selection on a college radio show. Hello everyone, I have placed two "special orders" for Silvania stuff through Elefant previously. I will be doing a third sometime soon. I run a mailorder, but for Silvania stuff, I have requested money up front, since Elefant won't deal on consignment. If anyone is interested in ordering any Silvania releases through me, please get in touch soon. Also, I have one copy of Paisaje III that is extra that I can sell to the first customer! But for anyone else interested, I will be doing the order. so just let me know. Also, I have one extra copy of the Galax Trax 12" for sale right now. The following stuff can be ordered: -En Cielo de Oceano (more Cocteaus-like. Very "spanish-pop") -Paisaje III (contender for one of the top 5 albums EVER! Combine the previous album with Slowdive, Seefeel, etc, and you have a masterpiece!) -Delay Tambor (remix CD by the likes of Scorn, Seefeel, Locust, Scanner, and some others. Also contains 3 Silvania originals.) -Avolovara 7" (re-working of a song from Paisaje III and an exclusive track. In gorgeous packaging. Clear vinyl) -galax Trax 12" (more re-mixes by Vanguard, Prozack, Locust, and Silvania) Prices are: CD - $15 LP - $11 7" - $4.50 12" - $6.50 Let me know! Daniel ------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:24:15 GMT -5 From: WILDER GONZALES AGREDA <932307@cenco.ulima.edu.pe> Subject: Re: FWD: Silvania and FSA >> Do you mean Silvania? They are a Spanish Slowdive-ish kind of band > > I was folllowing Silvania since some years ago , and i know that they are a > peruvian band , not a spanish band ... But play in Spain . Absolutely true. This is an entire Silvania's discography that appeared some months ago in a spanish zine "spiral" with the ocassion of the release of the Delay Tambor. 1. Silvana (demo) 1990 2. Ave Sol (demo) 1990-91 3. Miel Nube Hiel ep 1992. 4. Formas de Abril (demo) 1992. 5. En Cielo de Oceano cd 1993 6. Paisaje III cd 1994 7. Avalovara ep l996 8. Delay Tambor cd 1996 9. Galax Trax ep 1996 I'm desperately looking for the demos so if any of you have them please e-mail me!! Regards. Wilder. --------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:10:31 -0500 (EST) From: Claire De Leon! Subject: Re: FWD: Silvania and FSA Does anyone know about a new Silvania 7" or an EP? I saw something in the new Elefant newsletter which appears to be another "Elefant Dance Recording" as part of a serious of about 4 EPs which all had similar looking packaging. Forget the name though. Anyone know about this or when it will be out? It wasn't mentioned in the catalog, and I can't read Spanish, so I don't know what it says about it! Daniel --------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 04:15:01 +0100 (MET) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: FWD: effects pdls vs. units Forwarded: (_please_ remember to post to the list at __avalyn@lysator.liu.se__) > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:13:34 -0500 (EST) > From: Wade A Settle > Subject: Re: FWD: effects pdls vs. units ed, The RP-10, and the RP-5 have great effects, and you can layer as much as you want without anything sounding muddled. However, I like stomp boxes because you are more in control of quick timing sounds. They both have their good and bad sides. The RP-10 has a wah-volume pedal, tons of sounds, british guitar, surf guitar, all that jazz. wade ---------------------------------- End of The Avalyn Digest #2.04 ****************************** * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Digest version of the list, send your request (including the word "DIGEST") to: avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Live version of the list, send your request to: avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se * The maintainer of both mailing lists is chief@lysator.liu.se, and can also be reached at owner-avalyn@lysator.liu.se * All messages to the Live mailing list should be sent to: avalyn@lysator.liu.se * The digests can also be found in in ASCII format at ftp.lysator.liu.se /pub/texts/uxu/avalyn and in HTML format at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html.