The Charlatans Digest Sun Jul 28, 1996 Volume 2 : Issue 16 There are 61 messages totalling 1317 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. The internat'l Charlies! (4) 2. Charlies innit? (3) 3. Would you like an egg? 4. sort it mate! (4) 5. The Third World 6. Charlatans (3) 7. quickie (2) 8. revised quickie, oops (2) 9. rob (5) 10. up for discussion (3) 11. ken? 12. Tim in Sweden! 13. rob Collins: the details so far. (6) 14. Cheers Rob. 15. Good Bye Rob (3) 16. Feeling holy (4) 17. what tim said (5) 18. PS: Today - No blur, but pls forgive me. 19. In Memorium (2) 20. Opinions Please (3) 21. the article (2) 22. today's activities 23. Rob Collins (3) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: DANIEL MCNELIS Subject: Re: The internat'l Charlies! Woof! This is getting a little bit out of control... No pienso hablar Espanol en este lista en el futuro porque no tengo un diccionario de Espanol y Ingles. No se Espanol muy bien, y no quiero aparecer stupido. I didn't realize that there was someone from Spain on this list. How stupid I must have sounded... Oh well. Back to the Charlies, once again my blind ignorance asks a question: Did they/are they touring the good old US of A? Thank you, dan. -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 14:58:48 PDT From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Charlies innit? Ain't gota problem with you, just yer ken. Honma ni nihongo o gambaro to shiyorun yattara yurushite yaru. ware wa nihongo wo tsukau to nihongo wo omoikiri namettoru mitai jaken nanya koitu wa to omottota. Aho yatta yurushite kureya. Jishin wo motte gambatte na. ---------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 16:40:03 PDT From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" Subject: Re: Charlies innit? I guess I got taken on the bluetones deal. I bought the import for $25! I think its pretty good. Does anyone know when the new Stone Roses video comes out? I heard it was out already, but I can't find it anywhere. Speaking of videos, what have the Charlatans done on video? I have the Some Friendly video, but have they doneanything since? -Cresser --------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 16:55:09 PDT From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" Subject: Re: Would you like an egg? Nani yutton nen!? Ware wa nanbo no mono ja kora! Nihongo o nameru na Kenka wo urun yattara Ore wa kau de! Just kidding, I didn't realize how many people out there could speak Japanese. Kando shite shimatta. Hiroko igai ni omaera minna wa Wai ni makeru de! Wai wa jishin wo mottoru ke! Tada romaji wo naka naka kakehen. -cresser --------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:23:00 -0500 From: "Travis Saunders-R3278C" Subject: Re[2]: The internat'l Charlies! Message authorized by: : GJNQVBB@GROVE.IUP.EDU@INTERNET at #EMAIL It doesn't matter how stupid yer sound mate (I can't even speak spanish). Yer tryin an tha's the important thing, ken? Does anyone on the list ken of any boot cd's from the last tour? Anyone go to t in the park? How were the Charlies? God give us the Charlies an soon! This is worse than wantin a fag an not havin enough money to buy any, an no one'll give yer one, ken? Cheers T mess up my mind r3278c@email.mot.com --------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 09:45:45 PDT From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" Subject: RE: Re[2]: The internat'l Charlies! lose the ken, ken. eraso ni nihongo wo tsukau na boke. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:44:43 -0400 From: SPROSTON GREEN Subject: Reply to: Re: Charlies innit? i have the weirdo promo video.........w/ weirdo and i dont wanna see the sights....got it in a sale bin in dallas just after 10 and 11 ----------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:40:00 -0500 From: "Travis Saunders-R3278C" Subject: sort it mate! Message authorized by: CWALTON@sc9.intel.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL Listen mate. I'm not going to do something cos some fuckin cunt tells us to do it, KEN? If yer don't like it then fuckin erase me mails! Tis not difficult, ken? Sort it ya cunt. Cheers Trav MAke it snappy r3278c@email.mot.com ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 07:43:10 +0000 From: Cassandra Frankos Subject: Re: Re[2]: The internat'l Charlies! At least EVERYONE can understand the "ken" postings. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: DANIEL MCNELIS Subject: Re: sort it mate! Okay gentlemen, I want a clean fight: no rabbit punches, no kidney punches, no puches below the belt. When you hear the bell, come out with your hands up... There are more fights on this list than information! Can't we get some sort of mutual respect thing going...(or at least tolerance?) a mere suggestion (and please don't tell me where I can shove my suggestion, as I am not very flexible and would have trouble reaching said location) May the best man win, dan. ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 17:01:45 +1200 From: "MALCOLM SLEEMAN ROBERTSON" Subject: Re: The Third World The new guitarist being recuted for the roses is the former gutairist from the verve. Will. Will@xtra.co.nz ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:03:00 +0200 From: "ROBERT S\HODERGREN" Subject: Charlatans >I'm with you guys...the Charlatans are one thing, and the Roses >are something else. I love both bands. Hello, My name is Robert and I'm a new subscriber on this list, seems to be an interesting one. I do agree with you that the bands are two different things. While the Roses spent six years making an album that's OK, The Charlatans has come out on top of every difficulty they have had and made great albums. I just wonder, am I the only one to think that Your skies are mine by the Charlatans is VERY similar to Your star will shine by the Stone roses? Sorry if I keep this discussion alive, seems like most of you don't want it. Robert (Robert.sodergrenlfgrupp.postnet.se) ------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 07:22:32 PDT From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" Subject: RE: Charlatans Hey I think its a great discussion, man. The Stone Roses and Charlatans have so much in common. I mean the whole reason the Charlatans recruited Tim from the Electric Crayons is 'cos they wanted a singer like Ian Brown. I'm a leaf on the vine of time, -cresser ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 07:37:02 PDT From: "CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802" Subject: RE: sort it mate! Hey ken, You live in Tokyo right ken? I lived in ken Japan ken for a ken long ken time ken. I ken had some run ins with these guys and ken eventually became friends with 'em ken. They're called the Yamaguchi Gumi. You ever heard of it ken? "'cos I don't take no shit from anyone" especially no loser english teacher living in Japan 'cos he can't get nothing at home. KEN! Ware to attara buchi dotsuitaru. Ore o nameru na to itteru noni. Ware wa sude ni o shimai ja kora. Dare ga manko nanya? Kasu wa shinjimae! Ken. -------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 22:06:20 -0400 From: Anne Wong Subject: quickie hey everybody just wondering, is there anything in Kent near the Dover passing? I'm going to be passing by soon and I would like to know if I could buy charlatans stuff or any other music in that particular area. or is it countryside and mainly a tourist stopover? Am I going to be ripped off? Thanks conny stay tuned to the olympics... ----------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:24:27 -0400 From: SPROSTON GREEN Subject: Reply to: quickie has anybodt checked out the NME web page......it is pretty cool.....it is at nme.com.....and it is free ----------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 03:12:11 -0400 From: Anne Wong Subject: revised quickie, oops i read the wrong brochure... are there any music stores in london right near the famous wax museum? madame tro..... in walking distance? thanks again -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 96 12:19:30 JST From: r_smith@Koyosha.CO.JP (hiroko takeda) Subject: RE: Charlatans At 7:22 AM 96.7.19 -0700, CHRIS WALTON, SHIFT 7 DIFFUSION, PG:932-3802 wrote: >I mean the whole reason the Charlatans recruited Tim from >the Electric Crayons is 'cos they wanted a singer like Ian Brown. Tim does NOT like Ian Brown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! ---- hiro ----- -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:04:53 GMT From: Graham Cawsey Subject: Re: revised quickie, oops >i read the wrong brochure... > >are there any music stores in london right near the famous wax museum? >madame tro..... >in walking distance? > >thanks again There is a HMV and Tower records about 5 2 minutes walk away in either direction. If you go up Carnaby Street. turn left at McDonalds, go through Rupert Street, under the walkway, pas the sex bars, you will be in Berwick Street. This street is a fruit market. In Berwick Street, there is Sister Ray, Reckless Records, Rockin' Sarah, Mister CD etc. This is where I buy the majority of my records. I hope I helped. Graham... -------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:09:00 -0500 From: "Travis Saunders-R3278C" Subject: Re[2]: sort it mate! Message authorized by: CWALTON@sc9.intel.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL Did I say I wos a fuckin english teacher, yer cunt? Fuckin give us yer email address an we'll take this to private mail, ken? No fuckin point in fuckin havin a get go an fillin up everyone elses mail yer cunt! An about the yamaguchi gumi I could give fuck all some fuckin cunts like tha, ken? An did I say I could no get any at home? No, thanks fer assuming with nothing to back it up on, ken? It only makes yer look more like some fuckin skaggy cunt, ken? T P.S. I luv you :) r3278c@email.mot.com --------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 16:06:07 +0100 (BST) From: loz the great Subject: rob we'll miss ya mate ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 16:47:00 -0700 From: ryan@paragon.co.uk (Ryan Butt) Subject: Re: rob > we'll miss ya mate They were without him before, now they're without him forever. This is a truly sad day. Thanks for the music Rob. Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:38:29 -0400 From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans) Subject: RE: up for discussion Okay rather than this stupid conversation and insults back and forth we've been having how about someone confirming this for me? Did one of the Charlatans die in a car crash? and was it Rob Collins? that is what i've been hearing this morning but I've yet to hear it confirmed. If it is true i'll be so sad, not only was he my favourite member but I went to comprehensive school with his girlfriend years ago and I'd feel really bad for Rachell too. ------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:43:49 -0500 From: "Shane and Kari Winn" Subject: Re: rob Someone please fill me in on the details of Rob Collins...I havn't heard anything. If it is as bad as I think, this is a very sad day. Keep on keepin' on, Kari ------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:02:21 GMT From: *suedette* Subject: RE: up for discussion Yes, i'm afraid Rob Collins died in a car crash last night. One of my friends from England mailed me this morning with the news. I don't know any of the details. This is a sad day indeed. fuck. *s* ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:37:06 -0500 From: simpatico@daccess.net Subject: ken? > Ain't gota problem with you, just yer ken. Honma ni nihongo o gambaro to Am I the only person on the list that is wondering what the fuck this "ken" thing is, or are there others? Amanda D. KosherBacon@tmbg.org www.Geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5578 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 16:37:13 -0400 (EDT) From: DANIEL MCNELIS Subject: Re: rob I'll have to agree: If you fuckers would stop fighting for 30 seconds you would realize that Rob Collins of the Charlatans did, in fact, die in a car crash this morning. It's pretty sad that this was all over the Blur list before any of us even knew. If anyone hears what the rest of the band is planning to do, I'm sure the rest of us would like to know as soon as possible. Ella Fitzgerald, Rob Collins... Jesus Christ! Who's next??? "I just wanna say Thank You for being you..." dan. --------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 23:39:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Tim in Sweden! Hurray! Our own _Tim Burgess_ will attend the Lollipop Festival this weekend in Stockholm (Sweden)! (he will be DJ'ing on saturday night as a part of the Heavenly Lollipop Social event). Interestingly enough, both S:t Etienne and the Chemical Brothers are playing there as well, so hopefully, Tim will not just mingle with the crowd... Keeping my fingers crossed! //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 18:29:58 -0400 From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans) Subject: Re: rob Collins: the details so far. >Someone please fill me in on the details of Rob Collins...I havn't heard >anything. Okay after hours of trying to find out what went on I gave in and contacted a friend in Wales that might give me some insight. My friend lives in Monmouth (Gwent) which is where the band were recording the new album (Rockfield Studios). So, apparently the news reports are that Rob Collins and and unidentified, other person were in a car accident late last night early this morning. Rob was driving and killed on the way to hospital and the passenger was fine. According to the news reports, Beggar's Banquet have also stopped plans to release a single this month. But, what will happen with the new album is anyone's guess since they hadn't finished mixing etc. Nothing else has been reported, ie: how the accident happened and who the other person is. I have another source of information that I can track down information (a friend of rob collins) but I've tried and tried today and am unable to contact him - for obvious reasons of course. deborah -------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 19:20:07 -0400 (EDT) From: DANIEL MCNELIS Subject: Re: rob I thought that the crash was Tuesday morning... Your source was probably more reliable... dan. -------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 19:07:14 -0400 From: SPROSTON GREEN Subject: Reply to: RE: up for discussion IVE HEARD PEBORE THEY WOULD NOT GO ON W/ OUT THE WHOLE GROUP ARE THEY OVER... WHEN WILL WE HERE.....NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 9:58:00 -0500 From: "Travis Saunders-R3278C" Subject: Cheers Rob. Loved ya Rob. Cheers. Travis I once was lost, but now I'm found r3278c@email.mot.com --------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:06:44 -0400 (EDT) From: David Reichert Subject: Good Bye Rob This is definitely a very sad day. What really irks me is that when Kurt Cobain killed himself (as thoguh I gave a damn about that), it was all over the news here in Canada, but I had to find out about Rob Collins on this list. For shame. Since they`re in the mixng stage, do youse think that they`ll release the final album? I hope so, they should, at least in tribute to the finest musician to ever lay hand on the old Hammond. As for a break up? I sure hope not. Even if they don`t replace Rob and remain a quartet. Well, I`m going to go a listen to every bit of Charlies that I own now, with a twixer of C.C. for company. So long Rob, and thanks. Cheers! DAVE In memory of Rob Collins, R.I.P. =E0 la m=E9moire de Rob Collins, R.E.P. ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 01:26:10 -0400 (EDT) From: DANIEL MCNELIS Subject: Re: Good Bye Rob Jesus H. Christ, Dave, you read my mind! Your message was almost identical to mine and arrived just as I sent mine! -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 01:23:37 -0400 (EDT) From: DANIEL MCNELIS Subject: Re: rob Collins: the details so far. I'm sorry that I've posted about one million times today but this whole situation is hitting me a lot harder than I ever thought it would. Deborah(?) said something about the recording of a new album that was in the mixing stages. Does ANYONE know how to get in contact with Beggar's Banquet about the fate of this material? It's kind of funny, Kurt Cobain, the alleged spokesperson of our generation, died and I couldn't give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut(I'm to drink) and I can't help but get a bit sentimental about this whole incident.. I remember the first time I heard the Chaarlatans about six years ago: I was about 15...anyway, I'll shut the hell up now... There's no way in hell they could replace him; he is what seperated the Charlies from the rest of the Manchester bands that were big at the time... oh well, fuck it all, at least we still have 4 great albums to fall back on... dan. "...you said to me today, you're safe but you're so far away..." ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:59:42 -0500 From: sbrown@netexpress.net (shane brown) Subject: Re: rob Collins: the details so far. > Deborah(?) said something about the recording of a new album that >was in the mixing stages. Does ANYONE know how to get in contact with Beggar's >Banquet about the fate of this material? Beggar's has a web site that's in the developmental stages right now. I don't remember the address, but it's something easy like "www.beggars.net" or "www.beggars.com" or something. The site is little more than one page long, but it DOES have a link to Beggar's Banquet e-mail addresses. I sent a letter out, hoping to get full word on the status of Rob, the band, and the album. Thus far, no response. This entire fiasco has left me aghast. I CANNOT BELIEVE that not ONE SINGLE WEB SITE has ANY info on this at all. Not even NME Online mentions it, let alone ATN Music News of the World or anything. I spent 3 hours surfing for answers tonight. I came up with nothing. Rob deserves so so so much more than that. Perhaps we could jointly create some sort of memorial letter/donation for the services or something. I have no idea how to contact ANYONE about any of this, though. Rob once took time out before a soundcheck in Chicago to stop and sign an autograph and chat a bit with me and my mates. I'd like to pay him back for that gesture, any way I can. Shane P.S. perhaps this is all part of a "Rob is Dead" scenario, and we can go back and listen to backwards messages on "Indian Rope" and somehow make sense of the whole thing... if it were only that easy... -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:03:00 -0500 From: "Travis Saunders-R3278C" Subject: Feeling holy > Does ANYONE know how to get in contact with Beggar's Banquet I've posted to Beggars in America and in Britian, ken? Wondering about the details and sending me condolences. I'll let everyone ken when and if I get a reply. > It's kind of funny, Kurt Cobain, the alleged spokesperson of our > generation, died To quote someone else on this: "Cobain was a sorry cunt who could not handle fame" Rob, on the other hand, had no say in this, ken? I feel his loss, as do we all, les just hope he's happy wherever he is now. > (I'm to drink) I wish I could get cunted, but I'm at work now and the day is just dragging on by, ken? > and I can't help but get a bit sentimental about this whole incident.. > > I remember the first time I heard the Chaarlatans about six years ago: > I was about 15...anyway, As do a lot of us .......was it that long ago? Seems like yesterday. My, time flies..... Cheers Trav If yer happen to die...... I once was lost but now I'm found Thank you jes wanted to say thank you oooh ooooh r3278c@email.mot.com ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 02:16:49 -0500 From: sbrown@netexpress.net (shane brown) Subject: Re: Feeling holy >I've posted to Beggars in America and in Britian, ken? Wondering about the >details and sending me condolences. I'll let everyone ken when and if I get a >reply. I just now posted to both Beggar's as well, just prior to reading this message. I said I was writing on behalf of this list, and stressed our collective concern and prayers. If I get a reply, I will also naturally forward it to the entire list. Hopefully, when they get inundated with letters this morning, they will take action and release some kind of statement to one of us who has written. Let's just hope they check their e-mail more than once per decade... -shane- ----------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:27:15 +0200 (MET DST) From: exeid001@sarenet.es (Ander Velasco) Subject: Re: Good Bye Rob This is one of the things you wish never to hear. Please forgive me if I write the following in Spanish, but it is the only way I can express exactly what I feel. Es curioso, nunca pense que me pudiese afectar tanto la muerte de un musico. Pero asi es, y mas aun en el caso de alguien que a lo largo de su corta vida todo lo que nos ha ofrecido a los que le queremos ha sido alegria, amor y un estremecedor sonido con el Hammond. Me siento como si me hubiesen quitado algo interior, especial, y que llevaba conmigo desde que un grupo de locos ingleses empezaron a acompa=F1arme a finales de los 80. Rob, NADIE hara gritar a un Hammond como tu lo conseguiste. Haz que te oigan ahi arriba y dedicales la mejor de tus canciones. GRACIAS POR LOS BUENOS MOMENTOS Rob is dead. Long live The Charlatans. >In memory of Rob Collins, R.I.P. >=E0 la m=E9moire de Rob Collins, R.E.P. A la memoria de Rob Collins, Q.D.E.P. Ander. I don't wanna see the sights. ---------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:36:46 +0100 From: hutch@paston.co.uk Subject: what tim said Living in egland as i do I'm probably in the best position to give you news. Tim said last night that the band would not break up and the best thing that fans could do at the moment is buy their records. I've kinda got a jinx on bands or something - my favourite band were Nirvana for a while until kurt topped himself. Then it was the Stone Roses until john left and now its this. I'm also probably the youngest on this list at 16 and the first song I ever heard was can't get out of bed. I was hooked from that moment. I've seen them live 3 times and they seem to get better all the time. You seem to think that they will break up - I doubt that - they've been with out him before when he was in Jail and some of their finest songs came out of that ie. Tremelo Song and weirdo. " Everybody knows the pain " Robert H Hutch -------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 17:43:21 JST From: r_smith@Koyosha.CO.JP (hiroko takeda) Subject: Re: rob Collins: the details so far. At 1:23 AM 96.7.24 -0400, DANIEL MCNELIS wrote: > There's no way in hell they could replace him; he is what seperated the >Charlies from the rest of the Manchester bands that were big at the time... that's right. I think so too. still can't believe Rob dead. a bad midsummer nightmare. ---- hiro ----- ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:25:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: exeid001@sarenet.es (Ander Velasco) Subject: Re: rob Collins: the details so far. >Perhaps we could jointly create some sort of memorial letter/donation for >the services or something. I have no idea how to contact ANYONE about any >of this, though. It would be nice if any member of this list who's got Beggars Banquet e-mail address could make a big condolence e-mail putting all our messages together and send it to them. They will know how to make it get to the Charlies. >Rob once took time out before a soundcheck in Chicago to stop and sign an >autograph and chat a bit with me and my mates. I'd like to pay him back for >that gesture, any way I can. He also offered the best years of his fucking short life to make us all dream with the great distinctive sound from his soul. Ander. ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 20:06:17 +0000 From: Miyuki Kuronuma Subject: RE: PS: Today - No blur, but pls forgive me. First of all, please allow my selfishness to post this mail both on to blur & the Charlatans lists. For those of you who don't know me, I'm from Japan and frequently posting to the blur list. However, I have also been a subscriber of The Charlatans list as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've just known that saddest news. Although I love blur quite a bit, The Charlatans have always been another important band for me. I just knew Rob Collins, The Charlatans' organist, died. I have that experience several times. I do love the Beatles, I love Echo & The Bunnymen, and I love The Charlies. To blur: If any member of blur is reading this mail, please think about the fact that happily or sadly, none of you have been, and will not be, allowed to die young. You are given a long time to live, suffer, and consider. Please do your best at your new album. To the Charlatans: Please moan as much as you like, if you feel like so. And please think as much as you can. You can continue as the Charlatans, or you can break up. Please follow your own decision. I think no one will blame you. And Tim, thank you for saying that the Charlatans will not break up, and telling us to buy the records. I think you did that line of "Happen to Die" yourself. I like you. I hope this selfish act of mine will be allowed only today. Lastly, please allow me another few words. Rob, thank you for every good thing you gave. Sleep well. And please wake up pleasantly after a while and make our children smile. Love, Miyuki. ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:26:22 -0500 From: "Shane and Kari Winn" Subject: In Memorium I know we're all mourning the loss of Rob Collins...and it's helping me to cope by reading what all of you have to say about it. Please allow me to throw my two cents in..... I have been hit much harder by this than I thought I would have. I feel as though I'm in a state of shock; that this is all some sort of bad dream. Rob was one of the finest musicians I've ever heard or watched live, and he also gave the Charlatans the sound I fell in love with years ago. He played from the deepest part of his soul, something which many musicians lack. He was truly a fine man, and he will be missed. > He also offered the best years of his fucking short life to make us all > dream with the great distinctive sound from his soul. > > Ander. I really couldn't have said it better myself. This whole situation reminds me of a line from John Lennon's "Instant Karma": We all shine on, Like the Moon and the stars and the Sun.... Thank you for the music, Rob. Kari ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:45:58 EST5EDT From: "jim lowe" Subject: Re: rob Collins: the details so far. > This entire fiasco has left me aghast. I CANNOT BELIEVE that not ONE SINGLE > WEB SITE has ANY info on this at all. Not even NME Online mentions it, let > alone ATN Music News of the World or anything. I spent 3 hours surfing for > answers tonight. I came up with nothing. Rob deserves so so so much more > than that. There is a short article on the Jam Music page. Go to http://www.canoe.ca and follow the links to music. jim jim lowe - jlowe@central.georcoll.on.ca In memory of Rob Collins, 1964-1996, Rest in Peace --------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:47:27 EST5EDT From: "jim lowe" Subject: Re: Feeling holy >>I've posted to Beggars in America and in Britian, ken? Wondering about the >>details and sending me condolences. I'll let everyone ken when and if I get a >>reply. > > I just now posted to both Beggar's as well, just prior to reading this > message. I said I was writing on behalf of this list, and stressed our The Charlatans are actually on Atlantic Records in the United States, so writing to the American Beggar's probably won't get you very far. jim jim lowe - jlowe@central.georcoll.on.ca In memory of Rob Collins, 1964-1996, Rest in Peace -------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:30:32 -0400 (EDT) From: David Reichert Subject: Re: what tim said > - they've been with out him >before when he was in Jail and some of their finest songs came out of that >ie. Tremelo Song and weirdo. Actually, Rob was in jail when they recorded Up to our Hips, not Between 10th and 11th. Yer point however, remains true. Cheers! DAVE In memory of Rob Collins, R.I.P. a la memoire de Rob Collins, R.E.P. ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:48:01 EST5EDT From: "jim lowe" Subject: Re: what tim said > > - they've been with out him > >before when he was in Jail and some of their finest songs came out of that > >ie. Tremelo Song and weirdo. > > > Actually, Rob was in jail when they recorded Up to our Hips, not Between > 10th and 11th. Sorry to be a jerk...but Rob wasn't in jail for either of these albums. "Up To Our Hips" was recorded (quickly) between Rob's sentencing and his actual jail term. The album was in the can by the time he actually went to jail. jim jim lowe - jlowe@central.georcoll.on.ca In memory of Rob Collins, 1964-1996, Rest in Peace -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:27:52 -0400 (EDT) From: David Reichert Subject: Opinions Please Up until now, my band has never covered a Charlies tune due to a lack of a keyboard player. However, in light of Rob Collins' passing, I've decided that we should. I was thinking of Tremolo Song since my guitarist could do a decent job of faking the boards. Does this sound like a sacrelige to anyone because we won't have a keyboard or would most of you figure this to be a bona fide tribute to a great man. Opinions would be greatly appreciated. Cheers! DAVE In memory of Rob Collins, R.I.P. a la memoire de Rob Collins, R.E.P. ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:03:47 -0400 From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans) Subject: Re: what tim said >> - they've been with out him >>before when he was in Jail and some of their finest songs came out of that >>ie. Tremelo Song and weirdo. >> >Actually, Rob was in jail when they recorded Up to our Hips, not Between >10th and 11th. > >Yer point however, remains true. >Cheers! Actually, I think you will find that Rob Collins was involved in the recording of "Up to Our Hips" he shares writing credits for the album plus he hadn't quite gone to jail yet so he recorded his bits for the album. The album was finished quickly prior to him actually going to jail. If anything at all he just missed out on the final mixing but all his bits were already recorded. ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:18:53 EST5EDT From: "jim lowe" Subject: Re: what tim said > Actually, I think you will find that Rob Collins was involved in the > recording of "Up to Our Hips" he shares writing credits for the album plus > he hadn't quite gone to jail yet so he recorded his bits for the album. The > album was finished quickly prior to him actually going to jail. If anything > at all he just missed out on the final mixing but all his bits were already > recorded. Deb is 100% correct. The only thing that Rob missed was a UK & Europe tour. He was out by the time they came to Canada (Spring, 1994) but didn't play. I forget who the replacement keyboardist was, but he was okay. Its actually making sad thinking about that show. It was the second time that I had met Rob, although the first time doesn't really count (it was just at an autograph session). When I saw Rob & the band that time, I scrambled to find something for them to sign...all that I had was a newspaper article...about his legal troubles! He was really good natured about it, even though Tim kind of teased him about it. Anyway, I was invited back for their soundcheck, and beers with the band...I know it sounds lame, but it was one of the most exciting things that's ever happened to me (no, I don't live a sheltered life...I'm just a really huge fan). Anyway, the second time that I met Rob was this past October, at MuchMusic. He actually remembered me, which totally blew my mind (well, actually, he thought that my name was Tim, but it was close enough), and we had a few beers and talked about James Bond. Everyone on this list is aware of Rob's incredible talent...I just wanted to contribute a bit about the man himself. For a rock star, he was incredibly down to earth. He was part of a band who's music was incredibly important in my life, and I will always appreciate that he genuinely cared about his fans and that I was somehow lucky enough to spend a very short time with Rob Collins the person, rather than just watching Rob Collins the rock star from afar. Anyway, sorry to sound so corny or stupid...my friends keep on telling me to get over it, he was just a guy in a band...I have a picture of Rob & I, as well as one of Rob, Tim & I, and I can't help but look at them and feel that someone very special is gone. God bless you, Rob...you were a soul saver to all of us. jim jim lowe - jlowe@central.georcoll.on.ca In memory of Rob Collins, 1964-1996, Rest in Peace -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 20:57:45 +0100 (BST) From: Mr M P Donnelly Subject: Re: Feeling holy RIP Rob, we'll miss you Mike ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 21:18:33 GMT From: *suedette* Subject: Re: Opinions Please At 13:27 24/07/96 -0400, you wrote: >Up until now, my band has never covered a Charlies tune due to a lack of a >keyboard player. > >However, in light of Rob Collins' passing, I've decided that we should. I >was thinking of Tremolo Song since my guitarist could do a decent job of >faking the boards. > >Does this sound like a sacrelige to anyone because we won't have a keyboard >or would most of you figure this to be a bona fide tribute to a great man. >Opinions would be greatly appreciated. > >Cheers! >DAVE > >In memory of Rob Collins, R.I.P. >a la memoire de Rob Collins, R.E.P. I say that would be a lovely thing to do. But really, it is up to you and your band and how you feel about it. I don't see anything but good in doing this as a tribute to Rob...... *s* ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:42:32 -0500 From: simpatico@daccess.net Subject: the article Below is that article from www.canoe.ca, for those who don't have internet access. You know, this whole scenerio is really weird for me. Being only 15, I haven't been around long enough to see many of these musical icons die (except for Kurt Blowbrain, of course, and when he kicked the bucket we had a party). It just seems strange to me. Has the news of the crash been on the news programs or in the papers in the UK? Here in the states, not a word has been said about it. I probably wouldn't have even found out if it weren't for the list. Oh well. Enough of my incessant blathering. On with the article. July 24, 1996 Charlatans's keyboardist dead at 32 By RICHARD JOHN Rob Collins, the keyboardist of UK indie group the Charlatans reportedly died in a car accident early yesterday morning. He was 32 years old. Collins had previously served four months in prison as an unintentional accomplice to robbery in 1993 during the recording of the band's hit album Up to Our Hips. He was driving down a country road in Monmouth in Kent when the accident happened. He was thrown 50 ft from his BMW and pronounced dead at the hospital, reports Scottish newspaper The Sunday Mail. The rest of the band are currently in a Monmouith area recording studio recording the follow up to their eponymously titled 1995 release. -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:16:01 -0500 From: "Shane and Kari Winn" Subject: Re: Opinions Please > At 13:27 24/07/96 -0400, you wrote: > >Up until now, my band has never covered a Charlies tune due to a lack of a > >keyboard player. > > > >However, in light of Rob Collins' passing, I've decided that we should. I > >was thinking of Tremolo Song since my guitarist could do a decent job of > >faking the boards. > > > >Does this sound like a sacrelige to anyone because we won't have a keyboard > >or would most of you figure this to be a bona fide tribute to a great man. > >Opinions would be greatly appreciated. Dave, I think this is a great idea. What harm can there be in paying tribute to a great musician who inspired you? If you ever get it recorded, send a tape my way. Keep on keepin' on, Kari ----------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 20:03:30 -0400 From: debevans@barint.on.ca (deborah evans) Subject: Re: the article >Below is that article from www.canoe.ca, for those who don't have >internet access. >He was driving down a country road in Monmouth in Kent when the >accident happened. newsflash for whoever wrote this article for the web site but monmouth is not in Kent. It is in the county of Gwent, Wales, whereas, Kent is in England. I see someone failed geography. And bloody hell Monmouthian eisn't even a word. Should it not have read "in a Monmouth area recording studio?" Damn I love the philosophy of "create a word" by today's journalists/writers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:55:37 -0500 From: sbrown@netexpress.net (shane brown) Subject: today's activities Just got home from work and did some immediate surfing to find out any details I could. Here's what's come up today: (1) First off, I think it was a GRAND GESTURE on the part of Beggar's Banquet to post the press release to the list as they did. I had sent letters to both the US and UK Beggar's e-mail addresses last night, and I had personal responses to both this morning. I would have forwarded them to the list, but by then, the press release was already posted and the messages I received contained no additional information. The message from the UK label did add, however, that they appreciated the concern and outpouring of letters from our list, and that those messages WOULD BE FORWARDED in a group envelope to the band. (2) The Beggars web site, www.beggars.com, which was NOT EVEN SCHEDULED to be up and running until a couple weeks from now, has gone on-line with the press release that we all received. Thus far, there's nothing more on there other than that, but there IS a link attached to the press release which says "e-mail the band." The link goes to the Beggar's Banquet USA e-mail address, however, so I don't know how effective a letter there would actually be. (3) Music News of the World (www.addict.com/MNOTW) features an article on Rob as their lead-off story today. It has a couple of recurring press photos attached to the article, and provides a brief history with Rob's legal scrapes. It also says that Rob was driving his BMW and was thrown over 50 feet from the car. (4) I just sent a letter to the Beggar's UK & US addresses to find out if and how we could individually or as a group make a memorial somehow for the band or Rob's family. I'll let everybody know if something comes up. (5) All of these rumours about Tim saying that the band is not splitting. What is the source for these quotes? Did he appear on TV/radio today? Just wondering and trying to authenticate them... (6) Last night as I was going to bed, I put all 4 albums and the Over Rising EP into my CD changer and hit "random play" to go to sleep to. My CD player, in a cruel sense of irony, decided the first track it would play was "Happen to Die." I was very creeped out. -shane- ----------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 21:07:20 -0400 From: KTNPIKE@aol.com Subject: Rob Collins In case anyone was wondering, the second individual in the car was an sound engineer who was wearing a seat belt and survived the crash with only bumps and bruises. While I'm feeling grief for Rob, the band, his family and especially for his daughter, I also get angry at him. If anyone doesn't know, he was drunk and was not wearing a seat belt. He has cheated us out of hearing his brilliance live for ever more. He has also affected the other members of the band, some of which have to support families. Enough of my preaching. I converse with a member of the band and other relatives. By this weekend, I hope to have information on what will be done in his memory. If anyone knows of anything being done in the US please contact me. It's been a long time since I've cried, but I can't think of a better time. Rob, thank you for many years of joy. You were loved and will be missed. You are gone but not forgotten. LONG LIVE ROCK ------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 01:29:59 UT From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: RE: In Memorium What an incredibly ugly past two days this has been. Reports of the death of one of my favourite musical performers ever slowly trickled into my consciousness last night (phone call from a mutual mourning friend). I am in the stage now of "this can't be happening". I haven't listened to a damn thing but the Charlatans (silly maybe, but I bet the majority of the people on this list have done similar) since I heard. I will not except the band without him. They should keep it together, but not as the Charlies. The Charlatans died with Rob. I once, after a gig in Chicago, shook his hand, expressed my deep appreciation for his existence in the music world, and thanked him for the show. I would now like to echo that sentiment (and that of others who have said likewise). I just want to say thank you, Rob. You will live forever as far as I'm concerned. Peace Brother.... Kenneth ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 11:16:00 -0500 From: "Travis Saunders-R3278C" Subject: Re:Rob collins ---------------------------- Forwarded with Changes --------------------------- From: beggars@beggars.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL Date: 7/24/96 9:59AM To: Saunders Travis R3278C at ZJA03CC2 *To: Travis_Saunders-R3278C@INTERNET at #EMAIL Subject: Re: IS IT TRUE ABOUT ROB COLLINS??????? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Travis Thank you for your lovely note it is unfortantly all too true about Rob. As far as we know The Charlatans are going to carry on as a band. To all here is the reply from Beggars banquet in America. Cheers Travis Yer say yer found heaven I once was lost, but now I'm found In memory to Rob Collins may his soul rest in peace r3278c@email.mot.com -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 00:50:03 -0400 (EDT) From: DANIEL MCNELIS Subject: Re: Rob Collins I've posted about six times in the last two days. I am currently listening to "Between 10th and 11th" and I just read a message that states that Rob was drunk when he crashed. It was almost iroinc that as I was telling my roomate (also a big Charlatans fan) about this that he turned down the volume of the cd to near-silence... I don't know how to feel about this. I am very much against drunk driving ( I guess another irony is that this is the second night in a row that I've gotten drunk about this whole situation). It seems as though I am now really pissed off about this. Christ, why don't people realize how dangerous this is? I don't want to sound like a goody two-shoes about this, but this is fucking madness! In addition to the great loss that I know we all feel, I think this can also serve as a wake-up call. I feel so fucking cheated. dan. ------------------------------ End of The Charlatans Digest #2.16 ********************************** * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Digest version of the list, send your request to: then-request@lysator.liu.se * The maintainer of the Digest mailing list is chief@lysator.liu.se, and can also be reached at owner-then@lysator.liu.se * The digests can also be found in HTML format at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/then.html, and in ASCII format at ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/texts/uxu/then * To subscribe to the Live version of the list, send your subscription request to: Majordomo@stud2.misjonshs.no * All messages to the Live mailing list should be sent to: charlatans@stud2.misjonshs.no * The maintainer of the Live list is eirikg@ifi.uio.no, and can also be reached at charlatans-owner@stud2.misjonshs.no